An Electric trial’s bike? Yamaha thinks so...

[Pat Conlon]

Thanks Dan, I didn't know that....I don't agree with that. I could see sharing the use of the land although it would make crop dusting a bit tricky with the windmills in the way.

I think farm land should be sacred, protected, exempt from re-zoning. Even still, that's no guarantee the farmers will continue farming.

We have a similar problem here in the Imperial Valley but it not related to solar or wind...it's related to water.
The farmers in the Imperial Valley are guaranteed a certain annual acre foot water allotment from water drawn from the Colorado River. It's guaranteed because the farmers sold bonds back in 1934 to partly finance the building of Parker Dam, so in turn, they have guaranteed water rights in perpetuity.
Along comes thirsty San Diego.
They say to the farmers, we want your water and we will pay you double what you can make from farming if you sign over your water rights to us and let your land go fallow.

The solar and wind in my area is on undeveloped vacant desert land.

[T Legg]

Hey Rick,we have already produced a nuclear car,they just need to get it back into production.

[ZOA NOM]

Hey Rick,we have already produced a nuclear car,they just need to get it back into production.

I've driven that thing. You think turbo lag is bad... try waiting for the water to come to a boil...

[Sparky84]

Thanks Dan, I didn't know that....I don't agree with that. I could see sharing the use of the land although it would make crop dusting a bit tricky with the windmills in the way.

Are you sure Pat  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdxzpeFyFSQ

[Sparky84]

The wind and solar farms are located on land that is not being otherwise utilized. It's not like these systems are displacing farm land, taking food off your table.

But how long before they will be populated?

[Tuned forks]

Thanks Dan, I didn't know that....I don't agree with that. I could see sharing the use of the land although it would make crop dusting a bit tricky with the windmills in the way.

Are you sure Pat  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdxzpeFyFSQ

Those guys have BIG brass balls.  ALthough not exactly the same, I used to attend the Reno Air Races and really admired the pilot's skill and courage.

Joe

[Pat Conlon]

Gotta stay low and keep those wings level when dusting.....

Red Bull Air Racing around a wind mill course, THAT would sell tickets. Jeeze Louise

[Pat Conlon]

The wind and solar farms are located on land that is not being otherwise utilized. It's not like these systems are displacing farm land, taking food off your table.

But how long before they will be populated?

Same as farm land....When a developer comes along with enough $$$ to buy the land.
Welcome to capitalism.

It will be awhile in my area.
We have 100's of square miles of raw undeveloped desert with no water (see my post #30 above)

[Sparky84]

The wind and solar farms are located on land that is not being otherwise utilized. It's not like these systems are displacing farm land, taking food off your table.

But how long before they will be populated?

Same as farm land....When a developer comes along with enough $$$ to buy the land.
Welcome to capitalism.

It will be awhile in my area.
We have 100's of square miles of raw undeveloped desert with no water (see above)

Our government doesn't help, they profit from it also from the taxes, rates and everything in between.

[Pat Conlon]

See this map?
We could power the entire USA with electricity if we put PV solar panels where you see the red square.
That's using PV panels with today's technology (~18-20% efficient) Wait until multi junction PV panels come to market. Take that area on the map and cut it a third. (needing only 66% of the area shown)
FYI, that area on the map is 10,000 square miles (100 miles x 100 miles).
With today's technology, the batteries you need to store this PV power for 24/7 use would be the size of 1 square mile.

[racerrad8]

We could power the entire USA with electricity if we put PV solar panels where you see the red square.

, that area on the map is 100 square miles.
With today's technology, the batteries you need to store this PV power for 24/7 use would be the size of 1 square mile.

Okay, I'll bite...

How much power does 100 sq miles generate?

Forgive my ignorance, but do you think more than 100 sq miles of panels have already been installed between residential, commercial and solar farms?

If yes, how come all of the power generated is not fulfilling the nation's needs?

Randy - RPM

[Pat Conlon]

Sorry Randy, I was editing a correction as you posted
That area on the map is 10,000 square miles (100 Miles x 100 miles)

https://www.freeingenergy.com/how-much-solar-would-it-take-to-power-the-u-s/

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy13osti/56290.pdf

[racerrad8]

Oh, elon...
https://goo.gl/images/eDw7tc

Randy - RPM

[Pat Conlon]

Yea, he's a knucklehead....hope he can keep it together.
He seems better lately. (Edit: maybe not: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/tech/elon-musk-sec-settlement-contempt/index.html)

BTW: He did not come up with those numbers, other folks did...

Here's a third party fact check: https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/energy/2015/05/21/fact-checking-elon-musks-blue-square-how-much-solar-to-power-the-us/

[T Legg]

I wonder if we have enough of the rare materials required to make solar panels to pave ten thousand square miles and how much it would cost and how often would it need to be replaced.          and there is no such thing as vacant land