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Blackwidow figured out the fjs belly pan issue

Started by Mike m, July 03, 2018, 02:24:47 PM

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red

Quote from: Mike m on July 04, 2018, 08:06:09 PMI also need a drain plug crush washer.I can't see paying $8 shipping for a 99 cent part.as I have a slight oil leak
Mike M,

The next time you remove the oil drain plug, clean it thoroughly with paper towels and brake cleaner (solvent).  Wipe the oil drain hole clean with paper towels and solvent a few times, also.  RTV (Room Temperature Vulcanizing) sealant will prevent any leaks in the future.  Coat the crush washer top and bottom, and fill the oil plug threads (not the crankcase threads) with RTV.  Install the drain plug normally, to some reasonable torque value.  The sealant also acts like thread locker, but it never goes fully hard, so you can easily remove the oil drain plug at any later date.  Do not use so much RTV that it gets into the crankcase, of course.

I believe that Volkswagen dealers (and maybe decent auto parts stores) will have an oil drain crush washer that matches the Yamaha crush washer, but take the old one in with you, for comparison.

I'd like to put in a plug (<-a pun! My word!) right here for magnetic oil drain plugs.  They can be had on eBay, and other on-line outlets.  Most magnetic oil drain plugs will come pre-drilled for aircraft-standard 0.032" (0,8 mm) safety wire.  Sometimes people ask if I worry about the oil drain plug coming loose when riding, when they see my safety wire.  I always smile and say No.
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

Mike m

Thanks red.I'm gonna go to 15/40 oil shortly.my bike uses no oil anymore so these drips accumulate over a few days.when I change oil AGAIN ill fix

giantkiller

This is the best I can get for a picture of my supertrap ceramic coated stainless headers. Thousands and thousands of miles. Only cleaning I've done is to spray off the chunks. It's chrome look ceramic. Came polished. I didn't do it for looks. Ceramic coated All of my head pipes on my fjs. To give the belly pans any help against heat damage that I could...
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

FJ1200W

Quote from: Mike m on July 04, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
I also need a drain plug crush washer.I can't see paying $8 shipping for a 99 cent part.as I have a slight oil leak

I have plenty of them, I can mail you a couple.

The only problem, I have multiple sizes and bikes, don't remember which is which -

Just let me know size and where to mail them.

No worries
Steve
Columbia, Missouri
USA

red

Quote from: FJ1200W on July 29, 2018, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Mike m on July 04, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
I also need a drain plug crush washer.I can't see paying $8 shipping for a 99 cent part.as I have a slight oil leak
I have plenty of them, I can mail you a couple.  The only problem, I have multiple sizes and bikes, don't remember which is which -  Just let me know size and where to mail them.   No worries
FJ1200W,

Now if we knew what year of FJ it is, that MIKE M has there, we could decode his oil drain plug Part Number, to get the size of his plug.   8)

Yamaha Parts Number Decoder (click and scroll down)

https://yamahaclub.com/forums/topic/29981-part-number-decoding/
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

aviationfred

Quote from: Mike m on July 04, 2018, 02:48:06 PM
One hour of riding and these pipes are doing this


Stainless Steel does this with heat. It will turn a golden color and the bends near the head will eventually turn an ugly brown color.

Red, and FJ1200W, Mike's FJ is a 1986 model to answer the question as to which oil drain plug crush washer he needs is.

Yamaha Part Number 214-11198-01-00 for the crush washer.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

red

Quote from: aviationfred on July 29, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: Mike m on July 04, 2018, 02:48:06 PM
One hour of riding and these pipes are doing this
Stainless Steel does this with heat. It will turn a golden color and the bends near the head will eventually turn an ugly brown color.  Red, and FJ1200W, Mike's FJ is a 1986 model to answer the question as to which oil drain plug crush washer he needs is.
Yamaha Part Number 214-11198-01-00 for the crush washer.
Fred
Fred,

The Parts Number Decoder linked above is for bolts, for most instances.  Other parts, I can't say.
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

FJ_Hooligan

I'm still using the original oil drain screw crush washer from 1985.

Is that bad? 

Which oil is compatible with the original washer?  I'm thinking the Fully Semi-Auto Synthetic oil would be best.  :-)
DavidR.

ribbert

Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on July 30, 2018, 03:16:47 PM

I'm still using the original oil drain screw crush washer from 1985.

Is that bad? 


Nah, I also have the same sump plug washer my bike came with, a 180,000km ago!

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

giantkiller

Quote from: ribbert on July 31, 2018, 08:24:28 AM
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on July 30, 2018, 03:16:47 PM

I'm still using the original oil drain screw crush washer from 1985.

Is that bad? 


Nah, I also have the same sump plug washer my bike came with, a 180,000km ago!

Noel
Yes. But he's using FS-AS oil the older washers R not compatible. :Facepalm:
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

red

Quote from: aviationfred on July 29, 2018, 11:19:46 PMRed, and FJ1200W, Mike's FJ is a 1986 model to answer the question as to which oil drain plug crush washer he needs is.  Yamaha Part Number 214-11198-01-00 for the crush washer.
Fred
Fred,

The Bolt Decoder works for bolts, not sure about washers.  The oil drain bolt for a 1986 is P/N 90340-14132-00.  That decodes into a 14mm bolt.  VWs use the same size oil-seal crush washers on some of their stuff, so a decent auto parts store should have them at good prices.  Call around.
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Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

ribbert

Quote from: red on July 31, 2018, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on July 29, 2018, 11:19:46 PMRed, and FJ1200W, Mike's FJ is a 1986 model to answer the question as to which oil drain plug crush washer he needs is.  Yamaha Part Number 214-11198-01-00 for the crush washer.
Fred
Fred,

The Bolt Decoder works for bolts, not sure about washers.  The oil drain bolt for a 1986 is P/N 90340-14132-00.  That decodes into a 14mm bolt.  VWs use the same size oil-seal crush washers on some of their stuff, so a decent auto parts store should have them at good prices.  Call around.
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Just to add a bit of perspective here and to make sure no one misses out on a ride because they can't get a new washer on the weekend, it doesn't matter!

The principle of crush washers on sump plugs hasn't changed in 100 years, the idea of changing the washer every oil change has though. The idea of the soft metal washer between two hard surfaces works repeatedly. They do eventually wear out but only after more oil changes than most of our bikes will ever see.
It used to be common (it might still be) to see sump plug washers with a slightly smaller ID than the threaded section so they couldn't come off and you wouldn't lose them.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

Mike m

So I switched to 15/40 Estella boy the gear shifting isn't as smooth as with 20/50 vr1.a update as rpm sent me a new oil pan with the rebuild last winter and sent a new drain plug washer which I found and installed NO MORE LEAKS for now.