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Started by aviationfred, November 06, 2017, 09:25:33 PM

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andyoutandabout

life without a bike is just life

Urban_Legend

Quote from: Sparky84 on December 15, 2017, 07:35:20 PM
Quote from: X-Ray on December 15, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
All I can say is that wheel Fred should be mounted on the wall and admired while sipping on a fine port  :good2:

+1 on that,

Tawny or Vintage?  :drinks:


Grandfather port.
Mark
My Baby (Sparkles)
84 FJ1100/1200 motor
92 FJ 1200 - Project bike. Finished and sold.
84 FJ1100 - Project bike.

Sparky84

Quote from: Urban_Legend on December 15, 2017, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Sparky84 on December 15, 2017, 07:35:20 PM
Quote from: X-Ray on December 15, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
All I can say is that wheel Fred should be mounted on the wall and admired while sipping on a fine port  :good2:

+1 on that,

Tawny or Vintage?  :drinks:


Grandfather port.

Stop it
You are making me thirsty
1984 FJ1100
1979 Kawasaki Z1300
1972 Honda CB750/4 K2

aviationfred

The rear wheel is not quite finished. Still needs a gloss clear coat and the decals to arrive



Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Pat Conlon

Hey Fred, when you get ready to install the rear, do me a favor.
Take some long straight edges, clamp them to the sides of your rear tire, and check to see if the center line of the rear tire is aligned with the centerline of the front.
Someone reported a 3/4-7/8" rear offset (to the right) on their GSXR set up (using a 4mm washer on each side)

I'm curious.
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

aviationfred

Quote from: Pat Conlon on December 16, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Hey Fred, when you get ready to install the rear, do me a favor.
Take some long straight edges, clamp them to the sides of your rear tire, and check to see if the center line of the rear tire is aligned with the centerline of the front.
Someone reported a 3/4-7/8" rear offset (to the right) on their GSXR set up (using a 4mm washer on each side)

I'm curious.



I will do that.... This won't be a standard GSXR rear wheel swap, as I will also be installing a FZ1 swing arm.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

fj1289

Quote from: aviationfred on December 16, 2017, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on December 16, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Hey Fred, when you get ready to install the rear, do me a favor.
Take some long straight edges, clamp them to the sides of your rear tire, and check to see if the center line of the rear tire is aligned with the centerline of the front.
Someone reported a 3/4-7/8" rear offset (to the right) on their GSXR set up (using a 4mm washer on each side)

I'm curious.



I will do that.... This won't be a standard GSXR rear wheel swap, as I will also be installing a FZ1 swing arm.


Fred

Should still be relevant if you are doing a "normal" install of the FZ1 swingarm — it'll be centered the same as the stock FJ swingarm. 

fj1289

I'm curious how much clearance between the chain run and edge of rim (or tire) on a GSXR rim

Urban_Legend

Quote from: fj1289 on December 17, 2017, 06:57:05 PM
I'm curious how much clearance between the chain run and edge of rim (or tire) on a GSXR rim
The clearance to the chain from the tire on my FJ1100 with 5.5 GSXR rim and 170 tire is about 1/4 inch or 7mm. Not much room for error.

Mark
Mark
My Baby (Sparkles)
84 FJ1100/1200 motor
92 FJ 1200 - Project bike. Finished and sold.
84 FJ1100 - Project bike.

aviationfred

The planned install of the FZ1 swing arm should pose no issue with tire clearance. The 1st gen FZ1 S designed to use a 180/55/17 tire.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Pat Conlon

Swing arm should be fine....it's the position of the rear tire/rim within the swing arm I'm curious about.

Align the center line of front and back tires first, only then figure out what is needed for the chain alignment.

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

aviationfred

Quote from: Pat Conlon on December 16, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Hey Fred, when you get ready to install the rear, do me a favor.
Take some long straight edges, clamp them to the sides of your rear tire, and check to see if the center line of the rear tire is aligned with the centerline of the front.
Someone reported a 3/4-7/8" rear offset (to the right) on their GSXR set up (using a 4mm washer on each side)

I'm curious.


I had a 1992 GSXR rear wheel on my '89 for 4 years and have change about that many tires on it. The first chain that I used was a Volare o-ring that lasted about a year. I put a new EK ZZZ chain on with a new rear sprocket. The chain had been on the bike for 3 years and over 20,000 miles. Along with this were a couple of rear shock changes, dog bone set ups and installing a hugger fender. At this point I had not done a tire alignment check, BUT.... I am sure that with doing the various work around the rear tire and 4 tire changes, I think I would have noticed if the wheel was 3/4-7/8 of an inch off to one side. Weird tire wear, no chicken strip on one side and a 1" wide chicken strip on the other? I will say, I periodically checked side wear on the rear sprocket and there was just barely a noticeable chain mark on the sprocket.


Mark's quote "The clearance to the chain from the tire on my FJ1100 with 5.5 GSXR rim and 170 tire is about 1/4 inch or 7mm. Not much room for error." With the 180/55/17 Conti's and the Shinko Verge 2's that were on the '89 when it was stolen, there was less than 1/4 inch clearance on either side. With the OEM Aluminum swing arm and centered shock of the '89 I can't see where anyone could get more than 1/4" off center without the tire rubbing the swing arm.

Could this be a case of someone with a 4th gen 1200 that has the offset shock and installed a '89/'90 aluminum swing arm AND used the '89/'90 dog bones and relay arm? I have been told the 4th gen relay arm needs to be retained because it takes the shock offset back to center on the swing arm.

The first photo was at the 2015 Central FJ Rally and the 2nd photo is from the 2013 Colorado FJ Rally.

Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

fj1289

Thanks for the info on the chain clearance. 

I was searching for a GSXR rim for a conversion,  and found what turned out to be a Honda Blackbird rim that was on a GSXR being parted out - from the looks of the tire, it must have been off a road racer.  Bearings are the correct size, but based on the clearances you are seeing, I will probably need to machine the sprocket hub a bit for chain alignment. 

Thanks

fj johnnie

 Any reason why you aren't using a stock FZ 1 wheel? I am just curious as many have used the stock FZ1 wheel. Is it possible the GSXR wheel has the sprocket attached closer to the center of the wheel , thereby bringing the chain closer to the tire?
The stock FZ 1 set up has no clearance issues with tires, but needs an offset sprocket.

aviationfred

The rotors, 90 degree valve stems and bearings are installed. The finishing decals came in today.


Fred
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor