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Catastrophic failure narrowly avoided.

Started by aviationfred, February 16, 2016, 11:48:51 AM

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aviationfred

We are having unseasonably warm weather this week. I road to work this morning, parked the bike and went inside. As I was headed to my work area, something shiny on my foot caught my attention......my right boot and pant led were cover in oil.  :ireful: :cray:

It had to be the seal on my clear clutch cover failing. I quickly arranged for a ride home after work to pick up my spare clutch cover and some tools. I the went back out to the parking lot to see how bad the seal failure was......what I saw made my insides do a flip :bad:

The whole clear Lexan insert had blown out. The innards of my engine were now exposed to the elements through a 7" diameter hole in the side of my engine. :shok: :bad: There was oil on the side cover, all down the muffler and small stripe of oil covering my chicken strip on the rear tire.

The oil level should be good. The oil low light never flickered. Once I change the clutch cover, I will put it up on the center stand and verify the oil level.

I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

Pat Conlon

So.....you have the first FJ with a dry clutch mod...You are quite the innovator Fred :crazy:

There is pressure inside that clutch area, the reason why the oem clutch covers have the breather plate assembly.

I'm sure the added crankcase pressure by from your new 1300cc pistons did not help.

Hope everything is ok Fred
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

fj1289

Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 16, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
So.....you have the first FJ with a dry clutch mod...You are quite the innovator Fred :crazy:

There is pressure inside that clutch area, the reason why the oem clutch covers have the breather plate assembly.

I'm sure the added crankcase pressure by from your new 1300cc pistons did not help.

Hope everything is ok Fred


Maybe not the first ... but the first to own it with pictures!

You lose a bit of oil -- but it's not a catastrophe it you catch it in a reasonable amount of time.  Sounds like the new motor is still good to go!

Country Joe

Fred,
I'm glad both you and your new motor are still in good condition.
Joe
1993 FJ 1200

movenon

Glad you caught it Fred ! I think you are OK on the engine (best guess).  With the engine running on a center stand the oil level on mine drops slightly below the sight window. Be interesting to learn how much oil you will add to bring it back up to normal.
George
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200

Arnie

Fred,

Glad you caught it in time.

Refresh my memory, did you buy or make that (open) window'ed clutch cover?
I thought it looked very cool, but probably not good to copy.  :nea:

gumby302ho

 Glad your ride remained upright, that would be a shocking thing to see. My question is " Will you be running that big bore with the lexan in place again''?

Pat Conlon

Fred, if I recall correctly, a couple of other FJ folks have the same Lexan cover....you should warn them.
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

Bearly Flying

You obviously never rode an late 50's or early 60's Triumph.

The Magneto mounted in front of the engine on two skinny little bolts, that were always loose. My right boot was permanently waterproofed from the constant oil leakage.

Good that you caught it tho.
Don

85 FJ1100  1250 big bore kit, ported, cammed.... Hooligan Bike
05 FJR 1300  Aux Fuel Tank, Russel Seat  Long Distance Bike
And a whole whack of RC Aircraft

aviationfred

I was able to put the spare OEM clutch cover on and the oil level was good   :i_am_so_happy: So no damage to the engine. I have another cover that I purchased that was on the engine before the rebuild..... The Silver cover in the photo below.... Thousands of miles of use with only slight weeping of oil. The one that failed, I made using an industrial grade sealant designed for oil emersion environments. Not specifically designed for automotive or motorcycle use. Possibly the high Zinc or Phosphorus content of the break-in oil contributed.  :unknown: I don't know.

I had a few Lexan cover pieces made and I already have a modification planned to solve any potential repeat of this exact problem.

On a plus note...... The oil is still a nice shade of purple. Not black and indicating high wear areas.

Here is a photo with the oil level good as soon as I put the OEM clutch cover on.

I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

airheadPete

'92 FJ1200.    '84 R100CS
'78 GS750E.   '81 R100RS
'76 R90/6       '89 R100GS
'65 R60/2

yamaha fj rider

Remember Fred's traveling FJ swap meet. He will have 2 or 3, unless someone is interested. Then it's the last one. He would not have had this problem if he quit using his own snake oil. We now know it will eat Lexan.

Kurt
93 FJ1200
FJ 09
YZ250X I still love 2 strokes
Tenere 700
FJR1300ES

aviationfred

Quote from: yamaha fj rider on February 26, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
He would not have had this problem if he quit using his own snake oil. We now know it will eat Lexan.

Kurt


  :rofl: :sarcastic:
I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor