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Road rage..

Started by pdxfj, July 17, 2015, 03:09:39 PM

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PaulG

Given those rules, it almost sounds like the B-Ark landed in Australia.   :mocking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSid-p0Xlk0


Here we are hamstrung by insurance rates, but it sounds like you are being consumed by red tape and nanny state bureaucrats.  Something increasingly annoying here also.  If adding a camera invalidates the helmet, what about bluetooth comms?   :scratch_one-s_head:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_00bbE9oxQ

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ribbert

Quote from: Urban_Legend on July 21, 2015, 01:48:08 AM
You also have to be careful with the cams, because if you have been naughty, the cops can confiscate the and use them as evidence .

Mark

I believe the cameras, like GPS's, can only be confiscated if they suspect it can provide incriminating evidence in the commission of a crime. That's my current understanding of it.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

novaraptor

In Nevada, as far as I know, the police are exempt from most of the laws. They can use their computers while driving, can use their cell phones, and are not required, though are encouraged, to use their seat belts. The basis for this is that their duties require different behaviors that that of the general public. In the seat belt case, it was determined that a Police officer may have to exit his vehicle rapidly in the performance of his duty, therefore the law doesn't apply to him. Basically the same in regard to many other laws.
The helmet law in Nevada requires a helmet to be worn, and properly fastened. It doesn't require a DOT certified helmet, however, so many riders buy the cheap, mini, novelty helmets and wear them. Occasionally, someone will wear one of those strapped around a leg, which still follows the letter of the law. Doesn't mean that the Police won't find something to write up, just means that you can't be cited for not wearing a helmet..
1990 FJ1200
Ride fast, live free... I forget the rest...

ribbert

Quote from: novaraptor on July 20, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Yup. I mounted a cheap video cam to my helmet a few months ago..  A cool-cam s3000 from Walmart for about $65.00, plus an old photomount connector. People seem so much nicer when they notice the cam... Oh, and another reason to wear a helmet....

Not necessarily, if you're stupid enough not to wear a helmet you could probably screw it directly into your skull without doing any damage.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

novaraptor

True that, Ribbert.., though what I meant was that the guy punching the rider in the helmet was another good reason to wear a helmet. Odd that you occasionally see or read about irate people actually punching into the helmet. In one of the videos I saw of this incident, you see the guy actually grab his hand immediately after the punch...
1990 FJ1200
Ride fast, live free... I forget the rest...

pdxfj

One thought I had was, if this were to happen to you and you were to fight back could you be charged with something?

My thoughts are if you are one of many people who wear gloves with re-enforced knuckles made from carbon fiber, plastic, etc would you be charged as well?  You've got an advantage which amounts to wearing a set of brass knuckles on each hand...

Personally I would find it very difficult to keep the amount of restraint that was shown in the video.  Shoving, assaulting a gal that was with me would be the end of any restraint I had..


FJmonkey

Here in the states we are allowed by law to protect ourselves and others that are either unable or unwilling to protect them selves. Having protective gloves and other gear because you are on a motorcycle would not be an issue. Ones intent is the issue. An unprovoked attack to me means the defender has no time or reason to take the gloves off. This does not mean all will be well, this country is likely the most litigious in the world, but would a judge or jury fault you for wearing protective gloves and or protecting your self and others?  :nea:
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

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novaraptor

If you were already dressed in gear when assaulted, and you fought back, I don't think there would be a problem, since there wouldn't be obvious intent. If you were assaulted, then put on the helmet, gloves and boots and reengaged, I have little doubt that you could be charged. All though, if you left to do that, and then came back, you could be charged as the aggressor whether you changed to gear or not.. Better bar stool lawyers that I probably have the proper answer.. And yeah, he showed considerable restraint. On the original long video, there was at least one other rider that pulled up to assist. Things could have gone totally the other way in the press..

Oh, Monkey got his post in while I was typing this... Same same...
1990 FJ1200
Ride fast, live free... I forget the rest...

Arnie

Many years ago, a car pulled out of a service station and actually hit the leg of my passenger (pushed the bike about a foot sideways).  I didn't fall and once again in control of the bike returned to the service station where he'd gone back to.
I stopped the bike, determined that my passenger was OK (well, she said she was), took off my helmet intending to use it as a weapon.  The car was there, but the driver had de-camped and hidden somewhere.  I gave the car a couple of customizing kicks and left with smoke still pouring out my ears.

I'm amazed at the restraint of the rider in this video.