Moditus attack - Fazer 1000 swingarm mod

[MOTOMYSZOR]

My plan for swap rim from GSXR was perfect, until I started read topic about swingarm from FZ1......

I found nice swingarm from 2004 Fazer 1000.




Because on that there is so many different models, types, years....... I have to ask:
If I will buy whole set from Fazer 1000: swingarm, wheel and brake, will be possible to install this with minimum fuss? Any chance for proper wheel and chain alignment?

[FJmonkey]

My plan for swap rim from GSXR was perfect, until I started read topic about swingarm from FZ1......
I found nice swingarm from 2004 Fazer 1000.
Because on that there is so many different models, types, years....... I have to ask:
If I will buy whole set from Fazer 1000: swingarm, wheel and brake, will be possible to install this with minimum fuss? Any chance for proper wheel and chain alignment?

I have a swing arm from an 2003 FZ1 so I know of two differences you will need to contend with. The axial diameter is smaller on the FJ. This can be fixed with the wheel, which you are already planning to do. Second, the clevis that the dog bones attach to is narrower than the FJ (the part sticking up in the image about 4 inches wide). You will need to figure out how to space or offset the difference. I am nowhere close to installing this on my '86 so I have not put any engineering time on the solution... It might be as easy as a longer bushing with spacers on either side to keep it centered. Post up if you find a way....

[the fan]

If I will buy whole set from Fazer 1000: swingarm, wheel and brake, will be possible to install this with minimum fuss? Any chance for proper wheel and chain alignment?

I have a swing arm from an 2003 FZ1 so I know of two differences you will need to contend with. The axial diameter is smaller on the FJ. This can be fixed with the wheel, which you are already planning to do. Second, the clevis that the dog bones attach to is narrower than the FJ (the part sticking up in the image about 4 inches wide). You will need to figure out how to space or offset the difference. I am nowhere close to installing this on my '86 so I have not put any engineering time on the solution... It might be as easy as a longer bushing with spacers on either side to keep it centered. Post up if you find a way....

Monkey,

When I did the YZF1000 mod to my YZF I encountered the same issue. In my case I was able to mill down the link to match the 1000 swingarm. I got lucky that I was ale to find the correct length bolt after narrowing the link. Prior to that I simply used rubber washers normally used for garden hoses to keep the moisture off of the exposed inner race(reused from previous swingarm).  I am not completely familiar with the FJ mounting points but a similar method could possibly work. I had no issues with the gaps on either side of the mounting point as the dogbones were bolted firmly to the inner bearing race. It worked just fine for a few years of rallies, track days and racing. I only fixed it because it annoyed me that it did not look like an OEM install, but it performed flawlessly.

[fj johnnie]

 I too have an FZ1 complete rear end. The linkage from the FJ will need to be milled down to the same width as the attachment point on the FZ 1 swing arm. The bearing bores will also need to be recessed the corresponding amount into the linkage. Any machine shop can do this easily. The bolt one uses to attach the dog bones to the FZ1 swing arm will then be identical to what you need to attach the linkage, since once the linkage is milled down to mimic the swing arm they will be the same width. The bolt diameter is identical as well. Use FJ bearings in the linkage, and an FZ1 collar and bolt. This is to me the best way. It all looks factory and only FZ1 and FJ parts are needed.

[fj johnnie]

 Also , the swing arm pivot bolt is the same size  ( diameter ) so I believe one can use the FJ collar with the FZ1 stock swing arm pivot bearings, bushings and end caps. Of course the FZ 1 swing arm needs to be made narrower to fit inside the FJ frame. I recall 4mm over all, but one simply needs to measure their FJ swing arm and mill it down to the same size. If I recall correctly the stock FZ bearings can be pushed in the right amount without any extra machining.

[MOTOMYSZOR]

Also , the swing arm pivot bolt is the same size  ( diameter ) so I believe one can use the FJ collar with the FZ1 stock swing arm pivot bearings, bushings and end caps. Of course the FZ 1 swing arm needs to be made narrower to fit inside the FJ frame. I recall 4mm over all, but one simply needs to measure their FJ swing arm and mill it down to the same size. If I recall correctly the stock FZ bearings can be pushed in the right amount without any extra machining.

Yes, swingarm bearings are very similar:
FJ1200- 25x33x30
FZ1 -    25x33x25
So FZ1 bearing is 5mm narrower.

That makes all work easier because original FJ bushing can be use.

[Harvy]

Also , the swing arm pivot bolt is the same size  ( diameter ) so I believe one can use the FJ collar with the FZ1 stock swing arm pivot bearings, bushings and end caps. Of course the FZ 1 swing arm needs to be made narrower to fit inside the FJ frame. I recall 4mm over all, but one simply needs to measure their FJ swing arm and mill it down to the same size. If I recall correctly the stock FZ bearings can be pushed in the right amount without any extra machining.

Yes, swingarm bearings are very similar:
FJ1200- 25x33x30
FZ1 -    25x33x25
So FZ1 bearing is 5mm narrower.

That makes all work easier because original FJ bushing can be use.

Use the FJ dust caps bearings and internal bushing. 2mm either side is correct.
replace the rear brake light switch at the master cylinder with a pressure switch banjo bolt to prevent the swing arm from catching on the OEM switch. Space out the difference in the linkage mount with appropriate size washers (you will see where you need them when you do the swap).

7 or 8 years since I did mine so trying to remember what else was involved.

If using FZ1 wheel, flip the sprocket and use a Honda VF1000R ('86 from memory) c/s sprocket with the inside face milled flat to get correct chain alignment.



The hugger came from a mob in Purtugal - can't find them at the moment but it fits very well.

Rear brake line is original FJ and calliper stay is FZ1 in OEM position on FZ1 arm.

Thats about all I can remember.

Harvy

[MOTOMYSZOR]

Thank You Harvy for info. Just in case: banjo bolt for FJ is M8x1.25??

I found Fazer1000 swingarm for less than 20$ with postage.......

now I have to hunt all other part in similar prices That will take some time.....

[MOTOMYSZOR]

I have stuck......

My plan is to find and buy all rear end from one motorbike. I found more than 10 sellers with entire Fazer for parts. Only ONE replied to me, that he will check tomorrow.....
I tried with Thunderace.... the same effect.

I can buy FZS 1000 swingarm without any problem, brake calliper and arm - after few emails I know where I can buy.
But wheel with all carrier, sprocket and other small parts...... dead end.

Now I can only wait.... 

[fj johnnie]

 It took me a year to find one , but I did get a complete swing arm wheel caliper rotor etc. , etc. , along with a complete front end. If you start the project before you have all the parts it will get expensive real quick.

[Pat Conlon]

......Now I can only wait.... 

Karol, fret not, that seems to always be the case....the time it takes to assemble the correct components for the mod is always much longer that the time it takes to actually do the mod...

Keep your eye out, it will happen, although not exactly within the time frame you expected.

[MOTOMYSZOR]

While still searching for parts for swingarm mod , I replaced master cylinders:

Clutch MC from FJR1300:
First problem is clutch lever switch. It is to big and has 3 connectors. Temporarily I removed it out and I left clutch sensor disconnected.
Works totally different than OEM. Will take some time to get used to.




Brake MC from Fazer 600:
Now I can use two fingers to stop my lady 
Because I have ABS working on rear wheel only I had to connect together ABS signal wire with (+) wire to avoid ABS light flashing.




And braided lines and front gold dots from FZ8:

[Pat Conlon]

That's good to know about the stop switch on the Fazer m/c.

So you plugged removed the 2 brake lines that serve your abs front brakes and plugged the ports on the abs pump?

By connecting the 3rd wire at the m/c stop light switch to the + hot wire you now have abs working on the rear brakes?

[MOTOMYSZOR]

That's good to know about the stop switch on the Fazer m/c.
So you plugged removed the 2 brake lines that serve your abs front brakes and plugged the ports on the abs pump?
By connecting the 3rd wire at the m/c stop light switch to the + hot wire you now have abs working on the rear brakes?

Yes. I have two braided lines from MC to callipers. Hard brake lines to abs and from ABS to splitter on front I left on bike.

Brow/green wire in brake light switch provides information for ABS when You start pressing brake lever.
By connected ABS wire and (+) wire we "cheat" computer that front brake is not used. On rear wheel ABS works normally.

[Pat Conlon]

Thank you Karol