Adjusting fuel mixture screws, and synching questions

[JPaganel]

Awesome, but aren't you worried that those components you used will fail because they may not be ethanol proof?

Nope, not at all. As mentioned, vodka is about 40% ethanol. The elbow is made of polyethylene, one of the most chemically inert plastics out there.

Ultimately, if this fails, who cares? It's not a tank that I take down the road with me. Worst that would happen, I would need a change of clothes. I would just grab another bottle and make another one.

I will throw out there that this setup is in it's third year of existence and shows no signs of failing. I added an $4 plastic shutoff valve for convenience.

[JoBrCo]

I originally thought you were one of the intelligent ones here...

I'm done...

Frank

Congrats, JoBrCo.

You're successfully alienating yourself from some of the finest people I've had the pleasure to meet.

If this is what you intend, then carry on. Otherwise, you might want to chill for a while and read some past threads on the subjects you're asking about. None of your questions are new, after all.

Just tryin' to keep the peace.

Steve

Your take, not mine.  I only ever defend, I never offend!  And I absolutely refuse to be part of a mob.

And I'm sure you are aware of how impossible it is to use the search function, it seems no one uses the same verbiage, for instance Yamaha calls them Carburetor Joints, while most Americans call them intake manifolds. And that's just the beginning of the trouble, because I have looked up every single item before asking about them, and only ask when I can find nothing.

Trust me, as one dealing with anxiety, high blood pressure, and borderline diabetes, I don't need the heartache, I want to live a little longer.  This getting old thing sucks big time, of course it beats the alternative.

FJ Forever!  


JoBrCo

[The General]

Your take, not mine.  I only ever defend, I never offend!  And I absolutely refuse to be part of a mob.

Less "R" and more E & E will assist "S" ....you are not in enemy territory.....and there`s certainly no "Mob" thinking here. Demonstrably, Individuality does require a little of your own physical effort including sole practical risk"...give it a go, get the text efforts balanced with some shed time me thinks.

And I'm sure you are aware of how impossible it is to use the search function,

Yeah, the search function is tricky. I find a google search gets you to your destination within this forum easier most times.

Trust me, as one dealing with anxiety, high blood pressure, and borderline diabetes, I don't need the heartache, I want to live a little longer.  This getting old thing sucks big time, of course it beats the alternative.

Yeah, yeah, Big deal, but I`m with ya on the "living Longer" bit. Coincidently, getting old doesn`t suck if you make it to one of our/your rallys, anywhere.

FJ Forever!  

JoBrCo

I don`t think I can contribute much more help than you have received really, but I can say that I`ve used the colortune gadget and found it very interesting. (the guys on the XS1100 forum find it good enough.) It was however nowhere near as good as the vacuum gauges for synchronising Imho.

In my old age, I now realise that I often, previously, came close to causing people to Hang themselves....In fact I didn`t get the humour in the movie "Flying High" originally...but second time around, when it was forced on me again, it simply broke me up. (Thanks Kids!)  I have since curtailed my propensity to overdoing analytical thinking. (though it`s still not safe to be near me at the campfire!). I also find PM`s on this forum really productive and often more prudent,.... along with less gasping for breath.

Seriously looking forward to hearing results of your Manshed time. (esp the second time around) 

[JPaganel]

And I'm sure you are aware of how impossible it is to use the search function, it seems no one uses the same verbiage, for instance Yamaha calls them Carburetor Joints, while most Americans call them intake manifolds. And that's just the beginning of the trouble, because I have looked up every single item before asking about them, and only ask when I can find nothing.

Verbiage aside, the search function of the forum's engine sucks to the point of being unusable, and that's why you can't find anything. Just how Simple Machines wrote it. Every forum running SMF suffers from this.  I can't even find my own posts I know for a fact exist.

Save yourself the exasperation and use Google site search. Just append "site: fjowners.com" to whatever you are searching. Like so:

Carburetors site:fjowners.com

[yosemite]

as to using an auxiliary tank when setting carbs, never had one in fact never needed one I simply remove the tank and sit it backwards on the rear frame, and strap it down with a bungee ...   as for ethanol attacking fibre glass/ epoxy  resin it certainly does although it may take a while, it destroyed a fibre glass tank on my cafe racer in months, although there are some types of resin that are supposedly safe. (didnt work on the cafe tank although that may have been poor prep or application of tank sealer by myself)
  setting up carbs is somewhat of a black art, which unless you have access to a rolling road dyno, and even then, involves a lot of experimentation to get the settings perfect. having said that in my experience  carb balancing  affects performance noticeably at mild throttle openings, up to where the needle jets takeover from the pilots  and increasingly less so as the throttle is opened wider
       

[JoBrCo]

Call me an idiot if you will, but this is my virgin attempt at trying to resuscitate a bike with a very limited budget.  So my thought was to "try" and only replace that which was immediately necessary, saving those things that I could get away with, until last.  Someone that could have given me a list of these things would have been priceless.  Of course I started with the hydraulics, because to me the ability to control ones inertia is the most important thing of all.   I don't believe I need that now, as I think I'm "at least" at the midway point, maybe three quarters, meaning for the sake of acceptable operation, not full restoration.

For instance, I tried to get away with not replacing the float needles, because under a 10x coddington magnifying glass, they looked pretty good.  There was only a very slight indentation from the seat, so I figured, "that will seal," (not wanting to think that the rubber might be too hard), but, from the beginning, I've been intermittently having problems with very rough running, (less than 4 cylinders), backfiring, and the smell of fuel from the exhaust.  I finally thought, "misfires due to flooding"  (FYI, this is a stock 85 FJ1100, gravity fed bike). It hasn't happened that bad until recently, when I finally put E10 and Lucas stabilizer in the tank, (I had been using 'pure' gasoline @ $5.00/gal ) until yesterday, and filled it much fuller than I have up until then, almost completely full, instead of half.  Since three things changed I was confused, "Was it the fuel, stabilizer or the increased pressure from the weight of the fuel causing the float needles to not seal?" They are, after all, the stock 1985 float needles, unless a shop changed them prior to 1993, (the last time I took my bike to a shop). I finally decided that it was the latter, so I just now ordered the float needles. Again, call me an idiot if you will, some of you would probably like to, but this is my first attempt at doing this sort of thing.

Oh, and I also have a 12mm Motorcycle ColorTune on the way.  I know you purists, "artists," if you will, are squirming in your seats right about now.  But again I'm new and require the confidence support that it provides, remember I struggle with anxiety.  So "of course" your mileage shall probably vary, it's a no brainer, as many of you have the confidence that "more stick time" (<-navy jargon) affords, and no anxiety to boot.

For those that this applies to, just please get off my case for being uncertain and "questioning everything"  It's nothing personal, how could it be, I don't really know any of you, while "many" of you "do" have that luxury.  Rather understand that it's a function of my anxiety, I've deserved none of the shit I've been given thus far, can't anyone be sick around here?  Not that it's a major sickness, surely not communicable, but it leaves me always uncertain, worrying about potential disaster, that I "certainly" can't afford.  It's about me people, please let me be me, until I actually "purposely," "initially" "offend!" Which up till now, has certainly not been the case. "Quote it," and I shall explain my reasoning for the misunderstanding, the best that I can calculate it.  Communication can be a bitch sometimes, (Led Zeppelin sang about it), especially on a forum, without face to face body language, and facial inflections.

Thanks to all those that are wise enough to understand, and find it in their hearts to try and help people before they die, when they no longer can be that positive force, that helps change the world for the better.

At least that's becoming more and more my mission, as I approach my end; hopefully to help the world, not for the sake of a history book entry, just for the sake of the world, my "Children's, children's, children." (thanks Moody Blues)!

Again, thanks to all those that have taken their time, to try and help, it matters not if you're right or wrong, just that you've tried, but more importantly, you have given your time, the most precious gift of all!


FJ Forever!   


JoBrCo

[Dogsbestfriend]

Years ago I used a colour tune to set up the two carbs on a Landrover 101. Each carb feeds its side of the V8 and they were way out of sync. An afternoon of cleaning and adjusting finished with perfect combustion colours and a nice even idle. The following day dawned bright with a thick frost and that engine refused to start until I returned the carbs back to their original settings. I guess that some engines like some people just prefer not to have a healthy diet. I suppose that I could have gone through the whole thing fixing any issues but the engine ran and was happy to keep on running so I did not bother touching those carbs ever again. In theory the colour tune worked perfectly but in practice in this case it led me up a blind alley.
I suppose that it would isolate the troublesome cylinder(s) but then so would any of the other methods recommended. Finally while you are able clean up and reset that main engine earth because it took me several days of head scratching to figure out that mine was fine but not all of the time.

[JoBrCo]

Years ago I used a colour tune to set up the two carbs on a Landrover 101. Each carb feeds its side of the V8 and they were way out of sync. An afternoon of cleaning and adjusting finished with perfect combustion colours and a nice even idle. The following day dawned bright with a thick frost and that engine refused to start until I returned the carbs back to their original settings. I guess that some engines like some people just prefer not to have a healthy diet. I suppose that I could have gone through the whole thing fixing any issues but the engine ran and was happy to keep on running so I did not bother touching those carbs ever again. In theory the colour tune worked perfectly but in practice in this case it led me up a blind alley.
I suppose that it would isolate the troublesome cylinder(s) but then so would any of the other methods recommended. Finally while you are able clean up and reset that main engine earth because it took me several days of head scratching to figure out that mine was fine but not all of the time.

As always, thanks for the food for thought, I always appreciate it, and learn something from it.

I'm thinking that if nothing else the colortune shall show me the differences between each carb more reliably than hit and miss, unless one is really good at it.  Once I find each cylinders perfect burn with the device, It shall also indicate the differences between them in terms of how many turns each one takes to achieve it. I can then adjust them the same number of turns, either rich or lean from that position, knowing with much more certainty, that they shall all be adjusted the same.  Make no mistake, I'm not under the false impression that this, in any way, negates the need to sync the carbs relative butterfly positions, for a smooth idle.  But I'm pretty sure that together, those two adjustments, along with other things I've already done and shall do, will allow me to achieve an extremely accurate carburetion tuneup.

Of course I haven't done the valves yet, and know full well that until I do, she shall not be as good as she can be, and that I'll have to do the carbs all over again.  But then, practice makes perfect, right?

I'm planning on doing the valves very soon.  I just have to buy a brand new set of feeler gauges and a magnetic retriever, probably from Harbor Freight.

Thanks again!


FJ Forever!   


JoBrCo

[Klavdy]

You want help getting your bike running satisfactory and reliably?
You need to shut the fuck up about your bullshit and do what people tell you to do instead of moaning how hard done by you are.
They have told you repeatedly exactly what to do yet each time you've turned in into a whiny arse poor me self pitying moan fest.
You want sympathy?
It's famously in the dictionary, between shit & syphilis.

[JoBrCo]

You want help getting your bike running satisfactory and reliably?
The answer to that question is a no brainer!

You need to shut the fuck up
The only thing any of us "need" to do is breath, drink, eat, and be sheltered until we die. However some of us "want" or "desire" all kinds of crazy shit, for instance you "want/desire" to be a bad ass, or a god, the psychology involved here, is quite infantile and laughable, or maybe megalomaniacal.

about your bullshit
Not at all; as if you could possibly "know."  What, are you clairvoyant?  Should I call you Miss Cleo?

and do what people tell you to do
So now you're a god??  Are you a puppet??  I'm not!!  There's that bully again; how prepubescent of you.

instead of moaning how hard done by you are.
So you're not smart enough to understand the difference between someone being informative, so others can understand, and not be offended by, what some may see, as trivial concerns, and someone wanting sympathy.  You should reread, paying particular attention to SEQUENCE, as therein lies your answer. Sorry but, if you're actually capable of comprehending the significance of SEQUENCE, you'll feel sort of stupid.  I'm sorry, but that can't be helped, as it's your bad, not mine.

They have told you repeatedly exactly what to do
Again with the God complex, relax you're not it.  You're just a man, like all the rest of us.  Talk about visions of grandeur, sheesh!!

yet each time you've turned in into
No your words still exist as they originally were.  We are not allowed to edit others message's, Klavdy! One would think you'd know that by now.

a whiny arse poor me self pitying moan fest.
Sorry Klavdy, but "SEQUENCE" is everything, reread and maybe you'll understand.

You want sympathy?
Not at all; pay attention, Klavdy, I only said that for their benefit, so they will understand and not be insulted when I seem to not listen, though I have from the beginning. They just expect something I'm not really capable of, so I was informing them so they could relax.

It's famously in the dictionary, between shit & syphilis.
All three of which, I'm sure you understand only too well.  Please tell me their definitions Klavdy.

Feel better now that you've flexed you muscles?

Let me tell you whom I "respect" here, (all you others relax as we've not really talked so this doesn't apply to you), all those that have tried to honestly help me, (that's the blanket statement covering all those that know who they are), there are a few members that recently have, and I may forget their names, due to the fact that I'm getting older, so pardon me if you're not on the list:  George is one of the more mature people here, as well as Hooli, and Rib (Noel).  They are also the most forth coming with their giving, these are good men.  Others may be exactly the same as these three, but feel that they either don't understand me, or can't help me, because of a lack of familiarity with my problems. Recently, JPaganel, Firehawk068, fj1289, and dogsbestfriend have also been helpful, and deserve respect.  Some of the people here initially helped me, and I thank them for that help, but they have deserted me; peer pressure??  It does affect many people, me too, sometimes.  The best thing any of us can do is be tolerant of one another, understanding that we are not all exactly the same.

But Klavdy, I'm afraid you'll never make my list, of Good Men, at least if this type of "HELP" is all that you can muster, as it's definitely not help for me, for yourself maybe, in your mind, for those that are here, (your fellow compatriots), but that's just your delusion.  In fact your type of help is no help for anyone, because it only serves to perpetuate your delusion that force reins supreme, I pity the Shelia that has to put up with you, if this has been any indicator of what she has to suffer, because she's less than perfect, like us all.  Though I shall not give up on you, as you may yet understand one day.

Good luck with that my friend, I hope you get over your sickness soon, we can use another good man!


FJ Forever!  

JoBrCo

[Klavdy]

You've been told repeatedly how to fix your shit, yet each time you turn it into a discourse about your whiny dramas.
You don't want your bike fixed, you want validation and enabling from others.
Well, fuck that.
People haven't  "Deserted" you, they are sick of your shit and could not be bothered with your moaning
Why would any one  be arsed "Tolerating" your self obsession when you won't help yourself.
Who else apart from you gives a shit about your self inflicted psycho dramas?
You're a narcissistic attention whore.

[chefmatt]

Christ on a crutch I am really enjoying reading this thread! My passive aggressive side I imagine. There is allot of great info on this site, and any D-bag with around 2k can buy an FJ.....like my cherry '89 which I dumped today following a buddy on his damn Ducati 999......Washed out at 35mph around a hairpin. Great time to send carbs to Randy.

[bcguide]

Klavdy
you have been conspicuously quite lately and I have missed your insightful coments    glad to see you are still checking in once in a while

[Capn Ron]

    Damn, I've missed you Klav...welcome back brutha.   

[JoBrCo]

You've been told repeatedly how to fix your shit,
Not at all as my "shit" doesn't need fixing, it's my bike, that does.

yet each time you turn it into a discourse about your whiny dramas.
Only your self serving take, so as an excuse, to play with your bone in public.

You don't want your bike fixed,
Of course I do and so does the wife. But right now she's laughing.

you want validation and enabling from others.
Wrong again, I want idiots to keep their preconceived notions to themselves, case in point.  It takes one to start crap, two to continue it, and again one to end it.  If no one ends it, then either the two like it, or the one that's defending wants to be the one to end it, as it should be.  I can't believe you actually need this easy crap explained to you.

Well, fuck that.
Fuck the imaginary demons you project onto others? Yes, that's exactly my point, while I wait for you to get a clue.

People haven't  "Deserted" you, they are sick of your shit
Same thing! You speak of intolerance, one of the problems of the world.  Of course your solution, to bully it, is only yanking your chain.  A common theme of the muscle brained.

and could not be bothered with your moaning
Everyone has a choice, to make time is to make time, to not make time is to not make time.  This shit is really pretty simple Klavdy, pay attention!

Why would any one  be arsed "Tolerating" your self obsession when you won't help yourself.
Again with the clairvoyance, you are a Miss Cleo fan, right? Do you use a crystal ball or tarot cards?

Who else apart from you gives a shit about your self inflicted psycho dramas?
Ditto!  The megalomania of an Aussie, it's a twisted web you weave. Contradiction in the forefront, apparently your hallmark.

You're a narcissistic attention whore.
And again, you speak of yourself.  The consummate bad assed god, or so your delusion surely indicates.  I truely feel sorry for you, your sickness of obliviousness. 

Come on Klavdy, we need another good man, if you were drowning I'd pull you to safety, (I've done it before), despite you trying to kill me in the process.  Because I know that you're not really responsible, you're merely the culmination of your experience, (from the moment you opened your eyes), that you have yet to fully understand.  But who blames you, it can take a lifetime to unravel.  Tell me about your childhood, who hurt you the most, to leave you so bitter?  How old were you?  Younger than 5? During those human psyche formative years?  There's hope for you yet, focus your frustration on physical fitness, that's a great way to deal with it.

FJ Forever!   

With Love,  JoBrCo