V or VB rated? Did I purchase the wrong tire?

[JoBrCo]

OK, I've already paid for and received a Metzeler 120/80 VB16 tire for my stock rimmed '85 FJ1100.  The GYSM calls for a 120/80 V16.  I found out that the B means "belted bias-ply tire" instead of just "regular biased ply tire." The GYSM doesn't even mention the type of biased-ply, or even that it is biased-ply. I'm assuming there were no VB's back when the manual was copyrighted, and that Yamaha meant for it to use a regular biased-ply tire.

Did I perform a royal SNAFU (screw up)?

I'm having it mounted tomorrow.

TIA!

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[FJ_Hooligan]

You'll be fine with that tire

[JoBrCo]

You'll be fine with that tire

Thanks Hooli. Will the handling/ride change with it's use?  I originally thought that it's an upgrade, a method to make a biased-ply more like a radial.  I just wondered why Metzeler still manufactures both types of tires.  The make both a:

120/80 V 16 M/C (60V) TL

and a:

120/80 VB 16 M/C (60V) TL

and I'm left wondering why?

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[the fan]

All tires are belted.

Belted bias ply is redundant.

a bis ply tire has belts criss crossing across the tread surface. usually called out as _B

A radial tire has the belts along the tread surface. Usually caled out as _R

you are fine.    

[JoBrCo]

All tires are belted.

Belted bias ply is redundant.

a bis ply tire has belts criss crossing across the tread surface. usually called out as _B

A radial tire has the belts along the tread surface. Usually caled out as _R

you are fine.    

Thanks for your time, 'The Fan', I really do appreciate it, but actually that's not exactly correct; not quite redundant.  Check out this link.
Here are two excerpts from the link; Wikipedia:

"Bias tire (or cross ply) construction utilizes body ply cords that extend diagonally from bead to bead, usually at angles in the range of 30 to 40 degrees, with successive plies laid at opposing angles forming a crisscross pattern to which the tread is applied."

"A belted bias tire starts with two or more bias-plies to which stabilizer belts are bonded directly beneath the tread. This construction provides smoother ride that is similar to the bias tire, while lessening rolling resistance because the belts increase tread stiffness."   --Wikipedia--

After reading this I'm thinking VB's are better that vanilla V's, does it sound to you guys, like "lessening rolling resistance" is a good thing for motorcycle riding?

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[FJ1100mjk]

JoBrCo:

Two knowledgeable people said that you'd be fine. Just ride the bike, wear out the tires, if you like them, buy them again. If not, there's a few others in the 16" size to try out anyways. A lot of variables in tires, riding styles, and conditions. When you click on one of them you're golden!

[JoBrCo]

JoBrCo:

Two knowledgeable people said that you'd be fine. Just ride the bike, wear out the tires, if you like them, buy them again. If not, there's a few others in the 16" size to try out anyways. A lot of variables in tires, riding styles, and conditions. When you click on one of them you're golden!

Why do I feel like I'm being scolded?

I don't think you understand the riddle of the men of MAD; fear the mind killer!

I'm trying to get some help, I don't see the problem, with an "exchange" of information; "knowledge."

I bought this tire from Amazon, when it checked the fitment their system said that it did not fit my bike, I called them and argued that it did and their system was incorrect.  After buying anyway, and doing more research, I thought that maybe I was wrong, so I decided to ask here, for anyone that knows this situation from experience.  I take my life seriously, more importantly my wife's, so I want to be DAMNED sure I'm doing the right thing, especially in the eyes of an EXPERT!  In a perfect world there is no conflict due to inquiry, whether it calls for revision or not, machismo should not get in the way of intellect; the formation of definitive knowledge, where all is considered.

At least to me, that seems quite logical!

I'm not here to fight, purely for receiving and giving help!

[FJ1100mjk]

Why do I feel like I'm being scolded?

You feel what you feel. I and no one else can change that, only you.

I was only relating that you had been provided two answers to your question "Did I perform a royal SNAFU (screw up)?". The answers were overwhelmingly no. I further related what I have found by going through multiple sets (all 16" size) of tires on my FJ's.

I and the others provided help, something you asked for, but mine was construed as scolding. If so, well, you can look at the first sentence of my response above.

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'Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for.'

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You can bother to reply again, but I won't.

[the fan]

I see no problem with asking questions, even when this leads to challenging the answers given by experts after further research.

Sometimes (like above) the experts are wrong... and more often than not in this interwebs world the "experts" might not be.

I make a pretty good living questioning the answers.

[Capn Ron]

OK, I've already paid for and received a Metzeler 120/80 VB16 tire for my stock rimmed '85 FJ1100. 
JoBrCo

Which Metzeler tire did you get?

[JoBrCo]

Why do I feel like I'm being scolded?

You feel what you feel. I and no one else can change that, only you.

I was only relating that you had been provided two answers to your question "Did I perform a royal SNAFU (screw up)?". The answers were overwhelmingly no. I further related what I have found by going through multiple sets (all 16" size) of tires on my FJ's.

I and the others provided help, something you asked for, but mine was construed as scolding. If so, well, you can look at the first sentence of my response above.

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'Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for.'

--Socrates--
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You can bother to reply again, but I won't.

Fitting as you shot the first volley.  Make no mistake, I'm not a motorcycle expert, nor is anyone here, probably, as owning one does not necessarily make it so.  But I am pretty much an expert on human behavior, blame it on university, classes in philosophy and psychology, and a lifetime of making it a point to observe people, asking questions as to their motivations.

Your original was not as much in the vein of helping as it was scolding, for questioning "knowledgeable" people, as that's what you lead off with, your main concern, first to your mind, the fact that I didn't listen, as if I'm bound too do so.  The rest trivializing my worry.  A rich mans resolve at best, a careless mans resolve at worst.  I'm not here for that kind of crap, I don't need to be manhandled, I can do that for myself.

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In actuality the most important quote of Socrates is the one below in my sig, as it keeps men grounded, that truly understand it.  
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but here it is again: 'I only know that I know nothing'  --Socrates--
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It seems slightly contradictory to your quote, doesn't it? And therein lies the grounding.  Or at least it should!  Or so it would surely seem...

Justification?

An old proverb:

'Men are four.

He who knows not, and knows not he knows not;
He who knows not, and knows he knows not;
He who knows and knows not he knows;
He who knows and knows he knows.'

But the real question is, considering the above proverb, how would anyone 'know' in which of these four categories they belonged, concerning any particular bit of, so called' knowledge, as one cannot know what they don't know, then I defer all men to that quote of Socrates, 'I only know that I know nothing' which in fact points directly to the part of the proverb in red above, and in truth is where most men lie, universally speaking. So then should anyone be demeaned for not knowing, well it would seem certainly not, as the one doing the demeaning could be of the purple type man.

While in truth no man could know of which type man he is, it's safest for all concerned to initially believe one is of type two (red) as that is the most empathetic and honest, making allowances for everyone!  Everyone all inclusive, what a nice thought, considering the actual state of knowledge!

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[JoBrCo]

I see no problem with asking questions, even when this leads to challenging the answers given by experts after further research.

Sometimes (like above) the experts are wrong... and more often than not in this interwebs world the "experts" might not be.

I make a pretty good living questioning the answers.

And so should we all, and not be demeaned because of it, if we understand the truth you have mentioned, that I agree with.  Such is why I ask.  This response of yours is a wise one indeed, and not because it's what I have come to understand, but because I truly see it as truth, though I'm probably biased as well, aren't we all.

So destination or journey?  Which is it?

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[JoBrCo]

OK, I've already paid for and received a Metzeler 120/80 VB16 tire for my stock rimmed '85 FJ1100. 
JoBrCo

Which Metzeler tire did you get?

I picked up the, "120/80 VB 16 M/C (60V) TL."

Not the, "120/80 V 16 M/C (60V) TL."

I know I'll probably regret this but, why? 

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

[FJ_Hooligan]

I've tried a lot of tires and even mixed bias and radial.

My best summary: As long as they fit the rim, were made of that black rubbery substance, and had a round shape, I have never had any serious complaints about traction and performance.

My worst complaint (as I have mentioned in other threads) is disappointment in tread life on a few that I've tried.

[Capn Ron]

OK, I've already paid for and received a Metzeler 120/80 VB16 tire for my stock rimmed '85 FJ1100. 
JoBrCo

Which Metzeler tire did you get?

I picked up the, "120/80 VB 16 M/C (60V) TL."

Not the, "120/80 V 16 M/C (60V) TL."

I know I'll probably regret this but, why? 

FJ Forever! 

JoBrCo

I read the size and V versus VB in your original post.  I was asking which Metzeler tire you purchased.  The Lasertec or the ME880??

Why?  Because I can give you feedback on the ME880 as I've toured extensively with these.