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RPM Fuel Injection System

Started by racerrad8, June 18, 2014, 12:23:14 PM

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racerrad8

Okay it has been mentioned a couple of times since the WCR but there has been nothing official until now
Quote from: movenon on June 17, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
Speaking of the FJR fuel injection set up,  not much has been said about that.  I was pretty impressed.  Standing by for more updates  :good2:.
George

I have designed an electronic fuel injection system for the FJ.

It is not a FJR system. Everything else from the intake manifolds, fuel pump, ignition system and all the way down to throttle cables are specific items for this application.

The system ran almost flawlessly at the WCR and I was truly impressed with the system and it was a lot of fun to ride. We got the bike running the Thursday before the WCR and even with a really rough tune, it performed better than any set of BS36 Mikuni carbs because when you twist the grip you don't have to wait for fuel to draw from the emulsion tube, the fuel is there and the bike is pulling hard.

Since the FJ is air cooled, we have tried several different ways of reading the engine temp and finally decided the oil temp was the best way compared to trying to mount senders in fins of the head. The only problem I experience at the WCR with the EFI on my 86 was since the temp sensor is for "coolant" it does like temps above 225* and then the ECU goes into a "limp mode" to not burn up the engine. So, once the oil temps got to the 235* mark the engine ran poorly, but it did not leave me stranded and I was able to get back to camp.

Software changes are already completed and it has been running great since then.

So far there are no modifications required of the fuel tank, side panels or anything else to have the system installed. That was the first task, make it fit without having to modify the bike and that was successful. So, after that we started  making the system run and that is the point we are now.

I am data logging all of the rides at this point with adjustments to tune being made to improve the system. This will continue until I am happy with the system in regard to performance and economy. I am working with a tuner specialist that is very sharp. He is the same guy who tuned my sons Miata to make just south of 400 wheel horsepower from a 1600cc engine.

The goal is to make the RPM EFI kit a plug & play system that can be installed onto an FJ with a minimal of modifications required to complete the install. There are things that will have to be done, like welding in a bung for the oxygen sensor in the exhaust, wiring and plumbing but that will be covered completely if the kit does become available.

I have to thank a couple of other FJ owners who have used their skills to get us to this point of the RPM EFI system. Without guys like Chris Wyatt and Dan Thiede, who both own and ride FJ's, I would not be to the point of development I am with the RPM EFI system.

I have no estimated time of release or even a cost point at this time. So far we are more than a year into this project at this point and until I am fully confident in all aspects of the system it will not be available for sale.

I will post more as information becomes available, but the posts will be few & far between as there are still hundreds, if not thousands of hours & miles of testing & tuning required.

Next time I have the tank off I will shoot a couple of pictures.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

giantkiller

Yes!yes!yes!  I'm sure you'll have a map for the 1350s ??? (popcorn)
86 fj1350r
86 fj1380t turbo drag toy (soon)
87 fj1200 865 miles crashed for parts
89 fj1200 touring 2up
87 fzr1000 crashed
87 fzr750r Human Race teams world endurance champion
93 fzr600 Vance n hines ltd for sale
Custom chopper I built
Mini chopper I built for my daughter just like the big 1

aviationfred

 And to top it off, there would be someone who claims that a FJ actually is fuel injected!  I have it on good authority that EFI on the FJ ''cannot be done...!'' for many have tried in vain.  Let us pray it is possible & who knows, perhaps the concept will give legs to the FJ for the next thirty years... Grabbed from Mike Ramos's eloquent prose.

Fred

I'm not the fastest FJ rider, I am 'half-fast', the fastest slow guy....

Current
2008 VFR800 RC46 Vtec
1996 VFR750 RC36/2
1990 FJ1300 (1297cc) Casper
1990 VFR750 RC36/1 Minnie
1989 FJ1200 Lazarus, the Streetfighter Project
1985 VF500F RC31 Interceptor

racerrad8

Quote from: giantkiller on June 18, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
Yes!yes!yes!  I'm sure you'll have a map for the 1350s ??? (popcorn)

Yep, that will be on the list.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

Steve_in_Florida

:music:  FUEL INJECTION PORN!!!   :drinks:  

`90 FJ-1200
`92 FJ-1200

IBA # 54823

simi_ed

Good news!  Maybe this is a solution for my ignition woes ...
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

FJ_Hooligan

Is that a Colder coupling on the fuel line?  It looks like one of their plastic ones.  They make them in SS with Viton seals for not much more money.  Much better for the under tank environment.

Very nice work on the FI!!!!  Let me know if you need extra "testers."
DavidR.

racerrad8

Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on June 18, 2014, 03:30:38 PM
Is that a Colder coupling on the fuel line?  It looks like one of their plastic ones.  They make them in SS with Viton seals for not much more money.  Much better for the under tank environment.

Very nice work on the FI!!!!  Let me know if you need extra "testers."

I think it was a Motion Pro coupler, which might be the same brand just repacked. It is not going to be a requirement, we only did that because the tank has been on & off at least 100 times while trying to sort everything out and I did not want to break my petcock elbow loose by installing the hose that many times.

I will look into the metal unit as well just in case I decide it should be a requirement.

...the line is long for "testers" at this point as they are lined up from all around the world...

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

JPaganel

I wonder how adaptable this would be to other Yamaha inline fours...

There is a rather large number of XJ series bikes out there and I'm sure a bunch of their owners would like to give up carbs as well.
1993 FJ1200 ABS

1984 FJ600, up on blocks

1986 FJ1200, flaming wreck, repaired and sold
1986 FJ1200, repaired, ridden, sold


I don't want a pickle
I just want to ride my motorcicle

racerrad8

Quote from: JPaganel on June 18, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
I wonder how adaptable this would be to other Yamaha inline fours...

There is a rather large number of XJ series bikes out there and I'm sure a bunch of their owners would like to give up carbs as well.

No very...

The intake manifolds for the FJ are exclusive to the FJ and will not work any other bike. There could be an opportunity to make intakes for anything, but my focus is for FJ's only if I can make it work.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

movenon

Thanks for the update Randy.  :good2: This really is a leap forward for the FJ's.
George
Life isn't about having the best, but about making the best of what you have...

1990 FJ 1200

X-Ray

Wow, That is truly remarkable. I would love to have an EFI FJ, it would take the level of "Moditis" into the stratosphere. The added benefits of EFI would be sensational on the FJ.  :good2:
'94 FJ1200 Wet Pale Brown
'93 FJ1200 Dark Violet/Silver
'84 FJ1100 Red/White

'91 FJ1200 Dark Violet/Silver ( Now Sold)
'92 FJ1200 Project/Resto Dark Violet/Silver (Now Sold)






For photos of my rear wheel swap, heres the link  https://www.flickr.com/gp/150032671@N02/62k3KZ

yamaha fj rider

Randy thanks for the hard work and the update. Please keep us posted with the new developments.

Kurt
93 FJ1200
FJ 09
YZ250X I still love 2 strokes
Tenere 700
FJR1300ES

Mark Olson

that is badass Randy ,, seeing it in person was a treat.

the crowd around the efi fj was like a circle jerk.
Mark O.
86 fj1200
sac ca.

                           " Get off your ass and Ride"

stua1959

Circle jerk ? Not sure what that is exactly but we didnt have one at the Oz rally.