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Started by Mr.Freeze16, April 24, 2014, 03:26:01 PM

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Mr.Freeze16

Hello, I'm new to all this so bare with me. I bought a 1990 FJ1200, it sat for 2yrs before I bought it and would start and run with choke so I thought I'd just have to clean carbs up. Well I cleaned carbs all out but it ran a little better and would idle without choke but when you wanted to go and you gave it gas it seemed like it had maybe 50hp not 145 like it should. I did a finger compression check and it seemed like it had good compression. I put the carb sync gauges on it and all sat at the same spot in the red where it says ignition timing off, heat riser, and intake manifold bad. I really need some help because this is a beautiful bike and I'm dying to ride it. Can anyone please help.

jscgdunn

Hi and welcome,
A few questions:
Please describe how you cleaned the carbs.  Have you ever cleaned motorcycle CV carbs before? 
Have you confirmed spark at all cylinders?

There will be a lot of help for you here.  Just hang in there...

Jeff



92 FJ1200 2008 ZX14 Forks, wheels, 2008 cbr 600 RR swingarm
92 FJ1200 2009 R1 Swinger, Forks, Wheels, 2013 CBR 1000 Shock
90 FJ 1200 (Son # 2), Stock
89 FJ 1200 Built from parts: (Brother bought it) mostly 92 parts inc. motor
84 FJ 1100 (Son #1), 89 forks wheels, blue spots

simi_ed

Welcome Freeze, you are the proud owner of a set of clogged pilot jets!  I'd recommend to order a set (or even 2 sets) of #40 pilots   <http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Carb%3APilotjet&cat=24> and  set of Stainless Steel screws <http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=carbkit&cat=24> from Randy.  Follow the "simple' rebuild instructions here <http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=655.0> & you'll be styln'

Feel free to drop by the Introductions page & tell us a bit about yourself & your New FJ
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Mr.Freeze16

I will try that I was hoping it was something like that instead of a valve problem or something like that. I appreciate the help.

Pat Conlon

Quote from: Mr.Freeze16 on April 24, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
....I put the carb sync gauges on it and all sat at the same spot in the red where it says ignition timing off, heat riser, and intake manifold bad......

I have no clue what this ^^^ means. Anyone?
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

oldktmdude

Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 24, 2014, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: Mr.Freeze16 on April 24, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
....I put the carb sync gauges on it and all sat at the same spot in the red where it says ignition timing off, heat riser, and intake manifold bad......

I have no clue what this ^^^ means. Anyone?
Pat, I have seen car specific vacuum gauges with that type of diagnostic terminology on the dials. I have never seen this on any carb sync gauges that I can recall. Would disregard any such information and just make sure the vacuum numbers are similar. My guess is that the idle circuits have not been cleaned properly ; float bowl housing jets.  Pete.
1985 FJ1100 x2 (1 sold)
2009 TDM 900
1980 Kawasaki Z1R Mk11 (sold and still regretting it)
1979 Kawasaki Z650 (sold)
1985 Suzuki GSXR 400 x2 (next project)
2001 KTM 520 exc (sold)
2004 GasGas Ec300
1981 Honda CB 900 F (sold)
1989 Kawasaki GPX 600 Adventure

Mr.Freeze16

I cleaned the carbs with carb & choke cleaner and shot it into all holes I could find, lol. Then I gave it new gas and it started running a little better. It'll climb in speed slow, pops thru exhaust when I full throttle a little.

Pat Conlon

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

Mr.Freeze16

Quote from: jscgdunn on April 24, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
Hi and welcome,
A few questions:
Please describe how you cleaned the carbs.  Have you ever cleaned motorcycle CV carbs before? 
Have you confirmed spark at all cylinders?

There will be a lot of help for you here.  Just hang in there...

Jeff


I cleaned with carb & choke cleaner and yea getting spark. #2 sparkplug is turning
black all others fine

ribbert

Quote from: Mr.Freeze16 on April 24, 2014, 03:26:01 PM
I put the carb sync gauges on it and all sat at the same spot in the red where it says ignition timing off, heat riser, and intake manifold bad.

Mr Freeze, what you are using is an automotive diagnostic vacuum gauge, like this:



Those markings have no relevance to what you are trying to achieve.

With a carb sync, you are not chasing a number but comparing (and matching) one to the other. You want all 4 reading the same, that's it.
For the purpose of carb synching, the faces of the gauges may as well be blank.

Noel
"Tell a wise man something he doesn't know and he'll thank you, tell a fool something he doesn't know and he'll abuse you"

Mr.Freeze16

Quote from: jscgdunn on April 24, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
Hi and welcome,
A few questions:
Please describe how you cleaned the carbs.  Have you ever cleaned motorcycle CV carbs before? 
Have you confirmed spark at all cylinders?

There will be a lot of help for you here.  Just hang in there...

Jeff

Sorry if I already did a reply I'm using a phone to do this and it didn't show the one before. Anyway. I've rebuilt carbs before these had something that's greenish and dry looks like oxydisation on it. there's spark.



FJ_Hooligan

If you didn't take EVERYTHING off/out of the carbs (jets, mixture screws, choke plungers) then they are not clean.  You symptom is indicative of clogged idle jets/circuit.
DavidR.

simi_ed

Spoken like the man that knows FJ carbs.  :praising:  Listen to what he says.  BTDT, finally read the book.
-- RKBA Regards,

Ed
===
Ed Thiele 
Simi Valley, CA -- I no longer have SoCal manners.
'89 FJ12C (Theft deterrent Silver/White)


- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for
enough good men to do nothing.

- Edmund Burke

Pat Conlon

Quote from: simi_ed on April 24, 2014, 10:23:15 PM
Spoken like the man that knows FJ carbs.  :praising:  Listen to what he says.  BTDT, finally read the book.

I was thinking the same thing Ed....this Hooligan guy sounds soooo familiar....so strange....
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

movenon

Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 24, 2014, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: simi_ed on April 24, 2014, 10:23:15 PM
Spoken like the man that knows FJ carbs.  :praising:  Listen to what he says.  BTDT, finally read the book.

I was thinking the same thing Ed....this Hooligan guy sounds soooo familiar....so strange....
+1
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