Campbell Newman and bikie laws

[dayta]

This clip was just sent to me by a mate of mine..

Turn the sound on and listen to it if you disagree that the current laws Campbell has implemented to ensure no more than 3 of us can ride together at one time..

Laughed my tits off...true what they say but funny to boot.. .


http://youtu.be/Vlpffta1o7A

[Bones]

That was classic, catchy tune as well.

[NJona86FJ]

theres a lot of media coverage on this here at the moment... its funky... have to ask any qlders been pulled over for this? i mean my bike is a rat bike to say the least, i ride into toowoomba every day... had looks but not pulled over. mainly from local copper... the look of   " if you dont fix that i WILL book you." so its getting there slowly.
Interesting to see the police commisioner apologising to bloke on the news about being pulled over 21 times. yup that is harrasment.BUT. i mean fair suck of the sauce bottle here, they are really only ( to my knowledge ) targeting patch wearing members of outlaw motorcycle gangs. on harleys. I get that this can lead to infringement ( for want of a better word) of personal liberties, but again, these are people who have taken "pride"  in being outside the law... ie 1% ers.  and they are the only ones whingeing.
I havnt been pulled over. Qld IS a police state always has been... some of my esteemed elders here may remember joh bjelke peterson and anti protest laws and anti unionism's, a bit before my time but been reading reading reading.
I think its an interesting law... but mainly from a view of ... ok... how did this come about? what caused it to go this far? who was getting kickbacks BEFORE this law was passed? is it a case of police incompetence BEFORE  this law was passed? or is Cambell Newgirl just trying to win votes and go down in history like joh etc...( love the quote....Qlders wont go to daylight saving because most beleive the sun shines from Joh's arse ... and he's not getting up an hour early for ANYONE!!!..... chuckles....)
I mean do you see the Ulysses club having Zimmer frame fights at 10 paces? the VJMC going spastic against the Ducatii owners group?
No.
The sad thing is that the vietnam vets club will no longer be able to march in the australia day parade due to association laws. THAT SUX
I know i carry on a bit, iI know that most think I'm a dill. But lets look at the real picture here and not jump on a bandwagon.
If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Was watching a thing on ABC on drugs and guns in Philadelphia, was interesting, dont want to go there i think but thats me, but the whole thing through it was the police stating we have to pull people over for minor infringementsd to search the car because of the  " dont squeal " attitude and the hate of cops, so they can catch the bad guys... cos no one... even the people who have been shot, will tell the cops who did it, and if they did they will get killed or shot themselves.
Outlaw Clubs have the same mentalitly so whats a policeman to do?
And theres cops... and theres poicemen.. and a big difference inbetween. Met some nice policeman and some arsehole cops and not just in QLD
Just my 2 bucks worthNeil

[Bones]

G'day Neil, No I don't think of you as a dill, bit of a ratbag maybe, but definitely not a dill. Everybody will have their own views about these laws and you expressed yours.

Personally : No, I haven't been pulled over yet, I ride my bike every day to work wearing my work uniform,  and have passed cops going the other way who haven't even glanced my way, However, I bet if I were riding a Harley and wearing a open faced helmet with vest going to work, I would get more than a passing  glance.

You can't blame the police, they are instructed to carry out these new laws to the full or face the sack. I assume a few would ride bikes in their private life and think these laws are totally overboard.

Concerning the Vietnam Vets, that is an absolute disgrace not being allowed to march at the Anzac Day  memorials, they went to war like so many others, yet are not allowed to get together with old mates on the day because they wear a patch and are part of a group.

Personally I think these laws stink, they take away all your rights , look at the Yandina five. Five blokes meet at a pub, some members of a club, and receive 6 months in solitary confinement for having a beer together. Gang members or not, it's going against what I thought was a free country and the sooner these laws are thrown out the better.                 

                                                       Tony.
             

[NJona86FJ]

G'day again
All good tony , I should state that I'm not in favour of this law, didn't mean to give the impression that I am, I was I guess trying to say that it is wrong that the actions of a few wreck it for everyone, and it IS an invasion of personal liberties, ( guilt by association, removal of electrical trade licence if in a club, loss of business etc) but on the other hand what else can the police do? I guess I'm trying to understand WHY it had to get to this point, and is there a better solution. I'm not normally like this, ( political) but this really ticks me off.
We Harley bash here, but this is a lot different. At an extreme, we could all have problems, hopefully as it is still going through court it will be annulled, and it makes my brain cell wobble because I understand both sides. Regular joe who doesn't ride may not get the implications, but I understand regular joes desire to have a safe community, and us as riders can see possibly the day when riders may be forced to not ride.
It's got me this one, I don't hate police, don't hate riders, but I don't like being told who and whom I can/ cannot associate with, as if I don't have common sense ( some may agree lol)
It's like a fish or cut bait scene.
And apologies tony I didn't mean to go rank at you a while back, I lose my stuff from time to time, but things have changed for me and yeh I have issues lol but I'm working at them and shaking my head. And laughing at my stupidity at times.
Cheers blokes
Neil

[Klavdy]

You're O.K with being detained at the roadside, interrogated by heavily armed,  aggressively scared and poorly trained public servants who cannot tell the difference between some twonk wearing a "Sons of Anarchy" shirt and a patched up 1%er because of what you look like , not what you've actually done?
You ask "what else can the police do?"
They could have tried  doing the job they've been paid to do, you know,detecting and arresting offenders, gathering evidence and presenting it to a court of law.
It was already illegal to bash people, sell drugs and run whores ,had you forgotten?

If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear?
Who decided what is wrong?
Who decided when it became wrong?
Certainly not you, certainly not the public.

Q.L.D ,Australia is also not Philadelphia, you simply cannot compare them.

And Bones,yes, of course you can blame the police for carrying out these orders,they have extremely broad discretion and at any rate,the Nuremberg defence went out of favour in the 1940's.

[NJona86FJ]

I think you need to put your glasses on old fella and re read what has been posted.

[Arnie]

I've read what's been posted here and a number of other places as well.

The Qld Anti-Association laws are a travesty on our freedoms and will be struck down by the courts.
What I'm most concerned about is the number of (seemingly) intelligent people both in and out of Queensland who think these extraordinary powers are "a good thing".

The laws needed to control "Outlaw Bikies" already exist.  They are the criminal code.
The police need to use the powers already entrusted to them to detect, gather evidence, and prosecute those who flout the laws.  To provide a 'shortcut' for persecution based on how a person looks, or the bike they ride, or the fact that they like to gather with their friends is absurd.

The examples of Vietnam Vets, God Squad, and other innocent bikers being harrassed continues to grow.  This is due to these outrageous laws and the fact that the police are unable to tell who is a crim and who is just a rider.  Maybe they should have to detect a crime being committed, huh?

The sooner these laws and Campbell Newman (and others like him) are struck down the better.

Arnie

[TexasDave]

Well spoken. But what is seriously lacking these days is people with any common sense.  Dave

[Klavdy]

I think you need to put your glasses on old fella and re read what has been posted.

No,I don't.

You need to better articulate your incoherent thoughts.

You wrote:

"If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about."

" i mean fair suck of the sauce bottle here, they are really only ( to my knowledge ) targeting patch wearing members of outlaw motorcycle gangs. on harleys. I get that this can lead to infringement ( for want of a better word) of personal liberties, but again, these are people who have taken "pride"  in being outside the law... ie 1% ers.  and they are the only ones whingeing."

Even though you wrote " I should state that I'm not in favour of this law, didn't mean to give the impression that I am", the quotes from you above  indicate your acceptance of the legislation and support of newmans regime.

[NJona86FJ]

No what I was getting at was that I understand both sides of the equation.trying to understand both sides helps make a n informed deduction. As opposed to just calling the police useless and in the same breath saying its ok to blame them for doing their job. Which one is it? If they are useless then they aren't doing their job and how is it helpful to shoot the messenger? I get that no one wants the loss of freedom to associate with whom they please, but I also get the fact that no one wants to live with gang related violence etc.
I ll make it simple. The main points for me are:
Who is getting pulled over the most? Harley riding patch members.
Who is complaining the most? Harley riding patch members.
Who wants to live in a safe society ? We all do.
Who is doing their job? The police.
Who is responsible for passing the legislation? The Gumbiment.
That's why I asked who if any of us had been pulled over and hassled by the police regarding these laws? No one here so far.
Ok my initial statement was long winded but I wanted to portray as much of the issue as possible to avoid being ignorant, about the only thing that I see is the media blowing things out of proportion, the people accused are now crying victim and the media swapping sides so fast it's mind wobbling. If you READ the legislation it's not targeting social motorcycle clubs that don't have a criminal element just the known clubs that they know are doing illegal activities.
I don't agree as stated they should have the right to say who we can and can't speak to, that we can't socially ride as a law abiding group, but I can understand the frustration of the public and how it has got to this.
So obviously I'm an incoherent bell end who knows nothing, what's the solution klavdy? How can we fix this? Because even though I don't agree with it it seems to be working. So what do we do? Remove the police powers and go back to how it was? I don't have the answer so in a roundabout way I came here to ask others, perhaps learn something and see how it is affecting people.

[Klavdy]

You've changed your story from " they are the only ones whingeing" to "Who is complaining the most? Harley riding patch members."

Last time I looked, the Human Rights Commissioner and Chief Justices were not patched up, guess they could have nommed in the mean time but it's doubtful.

If you read and comprehend the legislation, it makes no mention of motorcyclists or motorcycle clubs whatsoever.
Anyone the Govt. wants to can be targeted by this legislation.
Once again, why do you consider it O.K to be pulled over and interrogated for no other reason than what you are wearing or the subjective opinion of a junior member of the police service?
Because you want a "Safe" society?
If you've done nothing wrong, why should you be hassled?
According to you, it's O.K because of what some cop thinks you are and what you might do, not because of what you've actually done?
You also regurgitate some nonsense about " it seems to be working. So what do we do? Remove the police powers and go back to how it was?"
Yes, that'd be a good start, the police could use the pre existing laws, you remember them?
The ones that made selling dope, bashing people and running whores illegal?
There was no "Crisis" other than the one manufactured by newmans spin doctors.
You do realise that according to the Govts own data, less than 0.7 % of all crimes committed in Q.L.D are due to so called Outlaw Motorcycle Club members?
What are they doing about the other 99.3% of crimes?

[Klavdy]

And on it goes,,,
The Govt. now decides who is a criminal and cannot be challenged.
Bikie evidence to be secret forever

[TexasDave]

Once the Government has disarmed its citizens it can do as it pleases. Texas--legal open carry of weapons, legal concealed carry with permit, legal carry of guns in automobiles. Not much carjacking or road rage here.   Dave

[Arnie]

There is a section for fools like you who want to compare/contrast/piss on about teh size of your weapons and how many innocents can be killed per semester with them.
Please take your guns discussion there.

Arnie

Once the Government has disarmed its citizens it can do as it pleases. Texas--legal open carry of weapons, legal concealed carry with permit, legal carry of guns in automobiles. Not much carjacking or road rage here.   Dave