Manshed Therapy Sept 28th SE QLD

[ribbert]

After I copped a bit of flak ( justified) about using a rattle gun to tighten the rotor bolt, I was thinking of ways to stop the rotor from spinning while tightening it properly. ( torque wrench).

Knowing that a couple wanted the timing mod done at manshed day, I sat back with the cover off and after a few cans of " inspiration " came up with this.  
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No need for a rattle gun now, but I'll bring it anyway in case it's needed elsewhere.

I've got an impact driver Ray that I'll bring along too.

                                                              Tony.

Tony, there is an easy way to do this.
The engine has a lot of rotating mass. A sudden hit, as opposed to a slow turn, won't turn it.
A long socket bar and a couple of belts with the palm of your hand will have it as tight as it ever needs to be. You can also use the slack in the bar and socket to your advantage while doing this.

Think of it like a kick starter. You can kick it (as you would kick a ball) until your foot breaks or the kick starter bends or breaks and motor will barely move. Push on it and of course the engine turns over.



And, see as how you mentioned them.......
As far as impact drivers go, (I have previously stated I think they're useless) if they work, particularly on PH screws, it probably would have loosened anyway. Someone mentioned here recently he had success using one even without hitting it with a hammer!
Other than their disputed efficiency, I don't like them because they offer absolutely no feel. You get more feedback from a rattle gun, and that's not much.

As any pair of experience hands knows, when trying to remove a stubborn screw, an essential part of the process is feeling when the tool starts to move instead of the screw. Time then to re group and maybe try something else before you destroy the head.
An impact driver bypasses this step and mangles the screw head with one belt of a hammer.
If using one with a socket, they still give no feel when tightening.

There are methods using the same principal as the impact driver using common garage tools that are far more successful.

Don't believe me? Try and find a full time mechanic that's been on the tools for more than 5 mins that uses one.

Noel

[X-Ray]

Well all I can come up with Noel that I've tried and seems to work with some overtight phillips screws is to have someone really pushing on the screwdriver while ever so slightly twisting, and have someone tap the screwdriver with a hammer. (I've even hung a shifter off the screwdriver to get leverage)  If this isn't the solution I'd love to know what works.

I'm bringing some s/s allen bolts from a kit I bought a few years back. Hopefully theres 4 in it the right size so I can piss those cheesy factory screws off altogether.

[ribbert]

Well all I can come up with Noel that I've tried and seems to work with some overtight phillips screws is to have someone really pushing on the screwdriver while ever so slightly twisting, and have someone tap the screwdriver with a hammer. (I've even hung a shifter off the screwdriver to get leverage)  If this isn't the solution I'd love to know what works.

Yep! you are spot on and if you are using a steel shaft (right through the handle) screwdriver it works very well. A bit of experimentation with how hard to hit and how much to twist will make it more efficient, but that works for me most of the time.

You are essentially doing what the impact driver does but with control.

One of the keys to this working well is a good belt on the driver (or directly on the screw head if possible) before you start twisting. It drives the tip into the screw head but most importantly it helps "break" the thread.
This really only works well though with a steel shaft screw driver. The sharpness from the hammer blow is otherwise dulled and absorbed into the plastic handle.
If you don't have one of these, a belt with a drift of punch first will help, it also closes over the slots if they are spread or twisted.

Repeat: If you are not using a steel shaft screwy you are losing most of the effect of the hammer blow.

I have a couple of screw drivers with slightly larger and better designed handles and it's amazing the difference it makes in the torsional force you can apply, without resorting to shifters.

Noel

[baldy3853]

Well all I can come up with Noel that I've tried and seems to work with some overtight phillips screws is to have someone really pushing on the screwdriver while ever so slightly twisting, and have someone tap the screwdriver with a hammer. (I've even hung a shifter off the screwdriver to get leverage)  If this isn't the solution I'd love to know what works.

I'm bringing some s/s allen bolts from a kit I bought a few years back. Hopefully theres 4 in it the right size so I can piss those cheesy factory screws off altogether.

Ray If you haven't already installed them bring the lot and we can do most of them on Saturday!

[The General]

Well all I can come up with Noel that I've tried and seems to work with some overtight phillips screws is to have someone really pushing on the screwdriver while ever so slightly twisting, and have someone tap the screwdriver with a hammer. (I've even hung a shifter off the screwdriver to get leverage)  If this isn't the solution I'd love to know what works.

I'm bringing some s/s allen bolts from a kit I bought a few years back. Hopefully theres 4 in it the right size so I can piss those cheesy factory screws off altogether.

Ray If you haven't already installed them bring the lot and we can do most of them on Saturday!

No worries guys, I got tha steel through the handle screwdriver, big arse hammer, stilsens, multigrips, 2 shifters and heaps of band aids! I even got a puncture, a puncture kit that didn`t work and one Jimmy reckons will work - (be an interesting challenge - cause he sells them). Plenty of room under cover if we`re lucky enough ta get some rain, but looks like nice temp forecast. Plenty of magazine`s, lounge, chairs & me mate tha baker`s gunna cook us up fresh raisin Bread & healthy, soft bread Rolls straight from his oven, first thing...You can have`m drip`n in real Aussie butter, or your choice of peanut butter, Kenilworth Honey, and real man`s Vegemite along (with wake ya up type) coffee & stuff. We`ll duck off to the secret shed (15 mins down tha road) at midday (plenty of cars for transport) with the BBQ in tow for special manshed snags & entertainment. (If ya remember tha way I have ta shoot ya!)...Then back for more afternoon sport... (there`s a TV under this dust, somewhere!) 

[baldy3853]

Well all I can come up with Noel that I've tried and seems to work with some overtight phillips screws is to have someone really pushing on the screwdriver while ever so slightly twisting, and have someone tap the screwdriver with a hammer. (I've even hung a shifter off the screwdriver to get leverage)  If this isn't the solution I'd love to know what works.

I'm bringing some s/s allen bolts from a kit I bought a few years back. Hopefully theres 4 in it the right size so I can piss those cheesy factory screws off altogether.

Ray If you haven't already installed them bring the lot and we can do most of them on Saturday!

No worries guys, I got tha steel through the handle screwdriver, big arse hammer, stilsens, multigrips, 2 shifters and heaps of band aids! I even got a puncture, a puncture kit that didn`t work and one Jimmy reckons will work - (be an interesting challenge - cause he sells them). Plenty of room under cover if we`re lucky enough ta get some rain, but looks like nice temp forecast. Plenty of magazine`s, lounge, chairs & me mate tha baker`s gunna cook us up fresh raisin Bread & healthy, soft bread Rolls straight from his oven, first thing...You can have`m drip`n in real Aussie butter, or your choice of peanut butter, Kenilworth Honey, and real man`s Vegemite along (with wake ya up type) coffee & stuff. We`ll duck off to the secret shed (15 mins down tha road) at midday (plenty of cars for transport) with the BBQ in tow for special manshed snags & entertainment. (If ya remember tha way I have ta shoot ya!)...Then back for more afternoon sport... (there`s a TV under this dust, somewhere!) 

Good need the tv to watch the horse racing 

[dayta]

Gents,
         if its o.k. I may tag along as well. Are you all still meeting at the shell on Johnson road about 8am?
I'm keen to have a crack at the front engine mount lube etc...see how it goes.

Is there anything I need to bring that will be of help to anyone on the day?

regards Rob

[ribbert]

Gents,
         if its o.k. I may tag along as well. Are you all still meeting at the shell on Johnson road about 8am?
I'm keen to have a crack at the front engine mount lube etc...see how it goes.

Is there anything I need to bring that will be of help to anyone on the day?

regards Rob

I've heard those if those engine mounts are seized, they can require anything up to a six pack to remove them.

[Harvy]

Gents,
         if its o.k. I may tag along as well. Are you all still meeting at the shell on Johnson road about 8am?
I'm keen to have a crack at the front engine mount lube etc...see how it goes.

Is there anything I need to bring that will be of help to anyone on the day?

regards Rob

Rob, last I heard its the BP Northbound just past Uhlmann Rd, Burpengary..... 8 am is good for me.
Tony, is that good for you?
Ken - I will call past your place at 7:30.
I have decided i don't need to bring that much up with me so will be on the bike.

Cheers all
Harvy

[dayta]

Hi Harvey,
               Baldy 3853 was talking about Johnson road shell in an earlier part to this thread..

happy to meet anywhere though...BP, Shell etc. Just let me know what suits the rest and I will fit in

looking forward to the ride...haven't been out in weeks!

Rob

[ken65]

hi, as i thought you were driving up harvy, this is what a few of us have sorted so far, i was going to meet tony at the bp around 7-7.15 at the bp burpengary , then meeting up with baldy at 8 at the shell,  ray was going to try and meat us at the bp, me and tony plan on trying to do a few roll on  tests between our bikes , then another comparision if we get time to do the timing  advance mod on  mine, a sort of before and after   ,anyhow thats how it is at the moment but i can fit in with whatever is decided, ken

[Harvy]

OK...all good ......just so long as eveyone knows the way to Doug's place.
If I meet at either BP or Shell then I will, else, see you all at Doug's.
Rob, where are you located mate? I'm just around the corner from Ken's place in Brighton.
Cheers guys
Harvy

[The General]

Gents,
         if its o.k. I may tag along as well. Are you all still meeting at the shell on Johnson road about 8am?
I'm keen to have a crack at the front engine mount lube etc...see how it goes.

Is there anything I need to bring that will be of help to anyone on the day?

regards Rob

Fantastic Rob! PM me if you need the address. 

[dayta]

I live in wellington point so will be travelling along Wynnum road then over the gateway bridge heading north...

Happy to meet anywhere that suits / any time just let me know.

Anyone need anything...food, beer, tools,   happy to chip in for what's required.. just let me know

Rob

[Harvy]

I live in wellington point so will be travelling along Wynnum road then over the gateway bridge heading north...

Happy to meet anywhere that suits / any time just let me know.

Anyone need anything...food, beer, tools,  happy to chip in for what's required.. just let me know

Rob

There was a guy selling a white police model over your way a while back.....not yours is it?


Harvy