Clutch master cylinder

[Shane4371]

Received my new slave cylinder today from RPM,before installing I'd like to replace my hydraulic line with a complete steel braided on.any suggestions.thanks

[racerrad8]

Received my new slave cylinder today from RPM,before installing I'd like to replace my hydraulic line with a complete steel braided on.any suggestions.thanks

Just one...Yamaha FJ 1200 Clutch Line Kit (86-87)

Randy - RPM

[Pat Conlon]

Spiegler lines are top notch stuff.

If I had to do it over again, I would not order the clear cover, they turned yellow after a few years.

[racerrad8]

Spiegler lines are top notch stuff.

And you never have to use "vice grips" on Spiegler lines...

Procedure per Galfer USA technical support:

"Before you start, determine how far the banjo will need to be rotated to prevent unnecessary movement at the connection point. Also identify the silver crimp collar in the attached photo, and on your line. It is the portion just below the banjo that holds the flex line in place. You will need to LIGHTLY hold this collar while rotating the banjo to prevent the line from twisting. I typically use a set of vice grips set to the lowest possible setting that will hold the collar. You can wrap the crimp with a shop towel if you like to prevent marring. With the vice grip in place, you can insert a wood dowel, brass punch, or even a pen into the banjo hole and rotate it to the desired position. If the line is already installed on the bike and you need to relieve tension or re-position it, you can simply hold the collar and rotate it slightly. Just be careful to rotate and NOT pry on the fitting."

Chris

That is the second time I have read that from one of our members and I cringe when I read that.

Randy - RPM

[FJmonkey]

That is the second time I have read that from one of our members and I cringe when I read that.
Randy - RPM

Spin/twist a swagged fitting,  I guess the worst case on the clutch is you get stranded.

[aviationfred]

I have a Spiegler clutch line installed. The fit is perfect and the included tool, rotating the end fittings is a breeze.

[FJmonkey]

So the Spiegler lines are designed to rotate?

[rktmanfj]

So the Spiegler lines are designed to rotate?

Yes.

They supply a plastic v-block and dowel with which to do it.

[FJmonkey]

So the Spiegler lines are designed to rotate?

Yes.
They supply a plastic v-block and dowel with which to do it.

Thanks.

[rktmanfj]

So the Spiegler lines are designed to rotate?

Yes.
They supply a plastic v-block and dowel with which to do it.

Thanks.

https://spieglerusa.com/media/upload/file/Brake%20Line%20Mounting%20Instructions%20Web%202011.pdf

[cclase]

Just to clarify, the Galfer lines are adjustable.  Per website:
Galfer Steel-Braided Brake Lines
Made in the USA
Lifetime warranty
Instructions for most applications
ABS and integrated brake systems available
Full-time brake line technician on staff available for support
Virgin PTFE
64 lines of steel braid
Pre-positioned banjos for easy installation, although adjustable as needed by hand
DOT (FMVSS 106 and ISO 3996) kits available
11 line colors available
Banjo fittings available in black, silver, gold, red and blue colors

[racerrad8]

Just to clarify, the Galfer lines are adjustable.  Per website:

Pre-positioned banjos for easy installation, although adjustable as needed by hand

Chris,

Thank you for the clarification. My point early on in this post was the method of how the banjo position is adjusted on the Galfer lines provided to you and another forum member.

Procedure per Galfer USA technical support:

"Before you start, determine how far the banjo will need to be rotated to prevent unnecessary movement at the connection point. Also identify the silver crimp collar in the attached photo, and on your line. It is the portion just below the banjo that holds the flex line in place. You will need to LIGHTLY hold this collar while rotating the banjo to prevent the line from twisting. I typically use a set of vice grips set to the lowest possible setting that will hold the collar. You can wrap the crimp with a shop towel if you like to prevent marring. With the vice grip in place, you can insert a wood dowel, brass punch, or even a pen into the banjo hole and rotate it to the desired position. If the line is already installed on the bike and you need to relieve tension or re-position it, you can simply hold the collar and rotate it slightly. Just be careful to rotate and NOT pry on the fitting."

Chris

With the link for the Spiegler instructions posted by Randy T, it illustrates how to adjust their lines with the specific tools provided. All of the tools are plastic to ensure there is no marring.

I installed set of Galfers on a customers bike, which I now own and I had a very difficult time with the installation. The next time I needed to install some brake lines, I bought the Spiegler lines due to the advertised and supplied means of adjusting the banjo position; I have never looked back.

In fact Cap'n Ron went down to Galfer several years ago. They helped him with his lines and showed him how they were clocked. Ron looked at my Galfer lines last fall at the Renegade rally as I have tried, futilely, to adjust the banjo position. After looking at them, both Ron & I determined my banjos are non adjustable type.

I now only sell and install Spiegler lines.

Randy - RPM

[cclase]

Randy, I totally get it!  In fact, I was actually responding to Mark...just wanted to head off any misunderstanding about Galfer's procedure as it applies to their product.  Now, the reality is I would be a bit embarrassed to post pics of the brand new, and marred, rear brake line I just installed.  Definitely a huge bonus to have a factory supplied non-marring means for making adjustments included with lines (and hopefully instructions!).  While I am satisfied with the Galfer product, there were more adjustments required during installation than I would have thought necessary for "OEM replacement".  This complicated what I assumed would be a straight forward and easy project...I chocked it up to my own inexperience.  The fact that you also had some difficulty with Galfer lines makes me feel a bit better about myself!  If I were to do it over again (and the $$$...which ultimately took me the Galfer route to begin with), I would go with Spiegler lines and purchase them from RPM!       

[cclase]

Shane, sorry about taking your thread for a joyride!  Good luck with your lines!
Chris

[Shane4371]

Spiegler seems to be the winner.getting one soon