Rear Brake Cylinder for 1992 FJ 1200 (non ABS model)

[CelticTiger]

Greetings fellow FJ enthusiasts,
                                              I am looking at doing a front & rear brake upgrades. I am fitting blue dot calipers & Fjr master cylinder to the front and was considering this Bremo upgrade to the rear. My question is, will this be suitable as mine is the non-ABS model or are there more suitable/modern alternatives that you might recommend?

I'm not lazy, I did try Searches on here but I couldn't find the answer.

Thanks in advance,

Conor

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FJR1300-FJR-1300-FJR1300A-ABS-2007-REAR-MASTER-CYLINDER-FREE-UK-POST-/190764771586?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c6a776902#shId

[fj11.5]

Looks like it should work

[CelticTiger]

Thanks fj11.5.

It will be a mighty economical upgrade if it does. I am concerned that they are specific to an A.B.S. Braking system which my bike doesn`t have.

Regards,

Conor

[FJ_Hooligan]

There is really no reason to upgrade anything on the rear brake system.  If you want better performance get better pads. 

I didn't look at the link, but why do you think you need a new/different master cylinder for the rear?

Regardless, the master cylinder shouldn't care about ABS other than the brakelight switch which usually has 3 leads on the connector; power, ground a signal to indicate that the rear brake is engaged.

Hooligan

[yamaha fj rider]

Rear brake upgrade, might try a smaller bore master cylinder. This should give more control over the rear brake. FJ seems to have more than enough rear brake so better control might be the upgrade, after a good set of pads. Just a thought, hope this helps.

Kurt

[CelticTiger]

Thanks FJ Hooligan, I am getting back to riding after a break of about 25 years. I'm spending money on advanced training to sharpen my skills. I am spending money on a 21 year old bike to ensure she is as running as efficient as "modern" technology allows, while keeping it as close to original as possible. Plus a lot of driving over here is done in wet conditions, so "anchors" are important. I also understand that the front brakes does 70% of the work, so I am upgrading to an FJR master cylinder, SS lines & blue dot calipers. I am also intrigued by the fork valve mod which is a big hit by members on here.

I have absolutely no experience of working with ABS braking systems, so I was unsure if the master cylinder was bespoke to an ABS braking system.


@Kurt, Thanks for the contribution. Are you suggesting a rear master cylinder other than the FJR solution? If you have one in mind, please let me know. There are hundreds of posts on here about various mods owners have carried out, and I would like to get the optimum one now while I am in the market for mods. And yes, I won't be skimping on the cost of brake pads. "The day you need 'em, is the day you need 'em!"

I am also hoping to improve the suspension system, front & rear. I have just treated the front forks to a drink of fresh oil & new progressive springs. Then to-day I stumbled across the fork valve mod on here which is highly regarded . I also have a hankering to upgrade the rear shock. I like the look of the new solution offered by Randy & Co. I just don't have a 1,000 bucks to hand at the moment. I am quiet happy doing incremental upgrades as time and funds allow.

[Arnie]

Unless there is some specific problem with your rear brake system you have NO need to change it.
If anything, the stock rear brake already has more than enough power.
If the disk is worn below minimum or badly grooved or cracked - replace it.
If the pads are worn or have been contaminated - replace them.
If the brake line is the original 21yr old line - replace it (probably with SS line).

You're right (sort of) The front brakes provide 70-100% of the stopping power.
Learn and practice using both of them.

Arnie

[FJ_Hooligan]

Celtic,
If you want a better/safer bike then spend all the money you can afford on suspension upgrades; front and rear.  Better brakes will help, but better suspension will help keep you from needing to use the brakes in a lot of situations.

Brake upgrades are more about control and feel than increased power.  The stock brakes have plenty of power, enough to lock the tires on both ends.  If you're just getting back into the sport I'd venture that too much brake power can sometimes be as bad as not enough until you get good at using it. 

[Pat Conlon]

Hello Conor, I too have a '92 non abs and I tried the Bremo m/c on my rear brake when I did my YZF swing arm conversion....I didn't like it. It was much to sensitive for my liking. Might be fine for a abs system but not for me. I went back to the stock FJ m/c.
One thing on the Bremo, notice that the body does not have threads for your mounting bolts, like your oem does.... I used some stainless button head bolts (low profile) with ss acorn nuts on the outside.

No big deal really, it was just to sensitive for my likes. Even with a bubble of air added in the system.

Cheers, Pat

[CelticTiger]

@Arnie, hooligan & Pat -I had pounded out lengthy appreciative replies to each of you from my Internet tablet, but when I went to post it, the site locked me out and lost it, so I'll have to wait until I'm sitting in front of my pc tomorrow to reply to each of your vauable suggestions.

Oiche mhaith (Good night in Irish)

Conor

[CelticTiger]

@Arnie - Many thanks, I've booked myself in for 18 hours Advanced Training, so that should sharpen my skills

@FJ Hooligan - Thanks for your reply. I have just upgraded my front shocks to include new progressive springs, new oil, seals & gaitors. I had no idea of this brave new world of fork valves and bespoke rear shocks. I have just read up on these wonders of modern technology and yes certainly they are added to my To-Do list. For the moment I am going to fiunish my front end work including a new tyre. I also have the modified 17" rear wheel and modified cush drive (I've misplaced the modded cush rubbers), so that's likely a winter project. Who knows, maybe the rear shock upgrade may occur then.

@ Pat Conlon - Thanks Pat. Yes, the consensus seems to be "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" I just don't want to be stingy with the cash when a few dollars more will help me avoid "brown trouser" moments

This site is a fantastic resource and gives us loads of glorious opportunities to spend our hard earned cash. As my current wife reminded me this evening "There's no pockets on a shroud!" She may well rue those words as she sees the Bank balance shrink in direct proportion to the addition of shiny bits to the bike 

[Arnie]

CelticTiger,

Advanced Training is likely to be the best spend on your safety and enjoyment of your bike(s).

As for not wanting to be stingy to avoid "brown trouser" moments :-)  I wish you luck. 

If you ride on the road, you will have these moments. no matter how much you spend. 
Just try and stay aware of all other road users around you.  Expect them to do STUPID things. 
In fact, ride as if they are intentionally trying to kill you -- you'll be wrong most of time.
But when you're right, you'll still be able to tell the tale.

Cheers,
Arnie

[movenon]

CelticTiger,

Advanced Training is likely to be the best spend on your safety and enjoyment of your bike(s).

As for not wanting to be stingy to avoid "brown trouser" moments :-)  I wish you luck. 

If you ride on the road, you will have these moments. no matter how much you spend. 
Just try and stay aware of all other road users around you.  Expect them to do STUPID things. 
In fact, ride as if they are intentionally trying to kill you -- you'll be wrong most of time.
But when you're right, you'll still be able to tell the tale.

Cheers,
Arnie

+1    "ride as if they are intentionally trying to kill you"  Take nothing for granted.
George