.....common sense!!

Brook · April 28, 2012, 02:09:30 PM

....... Rider should never stop at middle of the road.wmv

ApriliaBill · April 28, 2012, 03:41:05 PM

This is why I'm the old fart telling people to dial it back. Don't get me wrong, I like a brisk pace, but I can't tell you how many times I've come around a blind corner to see some idiot making a u-turn in an area to small to exicute. I'm glad the rider got through this healthy. Definately some people not looking out for others. Really, who stops thier bike in the middle of a corner???

jamesearthdrum · April 29, 2012, 09:56:48 AM

One of those spectators should have been down the road signaling for people to slow down. Rider in the middle of the road was just stupid!

FJmonkey · April 29, 2012, 10:13:19 AM

Wow! This looks like the Angeles Crest. I guess it could be almost anywhere. Plenty of accidents with cars making U-Turns and objects in blind corners. I almost ran into a box trailer stopped in a blind corner. It was attached to a car parked behind two other cars stopped for downed bike. Really glad I hate blind corners and slow down for them. It only took me 1/2 a second to realize I was now between the next vehicle coming around the blind corner and the trailer I almost hit. With traffic stopped in both directions I quickly got off the road and became the flag man slowing down oncoming traffic. The rider went over the side, bike stayed on the road. He was air lifted out.

weymouth399 · April 29, 2012, 10:22:20 AM

You can't fix stupid. It looked like a bike laying on it's side, so there may have been a accident scene. Either way like James said someone should have been looking out for all of them. Just think what may have happened if it was a car or truck coming instead of a good rider.(that didn't panic)

Bob W

terryk · April 29, 2012, 03:30:38 PM

The rider had nearly three seconds from the time he saw the rider in the road to reaching the rider. The truck is roughly 16 feet long and the distance to the rider was about five truck lengths when he first sees the rider. So he is ~ 80 feet away. This means he was traveling ~ 35 - 40 mph when he first sees the bike in the road if my math challenged skills worked this out correctly. Should have been braking hard and downshifitng and should have been able to stop or be nearly stopped before coming up on the bike stopped in the road.

Could very well have been Angeles Crest. My little MC club is heading there next Saturday, 16 bikes total. Come join us if anyone would like.

tmkaos · April 29, 2012, 04:51:22 PM

Quote from: terryk on April 29, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
The rider had nearly three seconds from the time he saw the rider in the road to reaching the rider. The truck is roughly 16 feet long and the distance to the rider was about five truck lengths when he first sees the rider. So he is ~ 80 feet away. This means he was traveling ~ 35 - 40 mph when he first sees the bike in the road if my math challenged skills worked this out correctly. Should have been braking hard and downshifitng and should have been able to stop or be nearly stopped before coming up on the bike stopped in the road.

Could very well have been Angeles Crest. My little MC club is heading there next Saturday, 16 bikes total. Come join us if anyone would like.

I would have to respectfully disagree with that part of your post.. I believe that in this instance the rider did the best thing. We know nothing about the rider's ability but looking at the vid he's in a corner, there's lean angle on the bike when he first sees the begining of the situation. I know that with my own level of skill, jumping hard on the anchors mid-corner does absolutely nothing for my cornering ability and in all likelyhood I know that if I had attempted to pull up in that situation I'd end up spearing straight into either the stopped bike or off the edge -purely because I know that under hard brakes the combination of my bike and my skillset means straight lines.

I think by going for the gap that was increasing - between the vehicle and the stopped bike - by tightning up his turn he made the best out of a shit situation. And hey, he made it without touching a thing except for the inside of his suit with his own clenched ring piece

My old man said to me when he teachiing me to drive and ride, and he's a career truck driver, been on the roads for over 40 years, in a situation where you don't think it is either safe or possible to stop, always go for the gap that is getting bigger. It may mean a deviation from where you are currently heading but when you get to the gap it will only ever be bigger, giving you more options on where to go.

Just my opinion of that situation anyway..

Happy riding,
James

Brook · April 29, 2012, 07:31:39 PM

..... I have seen to many times in life, Where you have very intelligent people, that do not have any common sense!!

Stopped in the middle of the road, in a curve, there is a good chance there will be other traffic coming behind you, maybe speeding motorcycles........ [GET THE HELL OFF OF THE ROAD, NOW]

Also, it looks like there has been a few from here, that has traveled that road.

The deep grooves by the yellow lines, does not look safe for motorcycles...... especially, on a fast-pace Saturday or Sunday group ride.

Jeff

FJmonkey · April 29, 2012, 07:42:09 PM

Quote from: Brook on April 29, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
The deep grooves by the yellow lines, does not look safe for motorcycles...... especially, on a fast-pace Saturday or Sunday group ride.
Jeff

The center reflectors are sunk into the black top. It looks like a grinder scalloped out a divot and then they glued the reflector in the shallow pit. This keeps the snow plows from scraping them off every year. And Yes!!! You don't want to hit them leaned over at speed. I hit them on purpose when I saw them last year for the first time while riding on straight section. What I felt translated into scary when not vertical... Stay in your lane....

terryk · April 29, 2012, 09:31:09 PM

Quote from: Brook on April 29, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
..... I have seen to many times in life, Where you have very intelligent people, that do not have any common sense!!

Stopped in the middle of the road, in a curve, there is a good chance there will be other traffic coming behind you, maybe speeding motorcycles........ [GET THE HELL OFF OF THE ROAD, NOW]

Also, it looks like there has been a few from here, that has traveled that road.

The deep grooves by the yellow lines, does not look safe for motorcycles...... especially, on a fast-pace Saturday or Sunday group ride.

Jeff

The Angeles Crest is a 65 mile plus set of twisties hugging the side of mountains over 8,000 feet high in the sky. There are many hazards and you do not want to screw up here. It is a great place to ride in an aggressive manner, but not for the newbies.

When we ride in a group the sweep position will take up a spot well back from the accident and as far to the side of the road as possible and wave traffic down. Another rider is positioned a little far forward, same job and the last rider is protecting the downed rider. That includes placing a bike across the road and far back from the rider. I know this sounds strange at first, but on twistes it makes sense as you do not want some idiot tearing up on a downed rider, as seen in that video. We will try to post on the opposite lane as well, far in advance of the scene.

The ride leaders are all up to speed and work as a team wjhen required. Thank goodness this has been a rare thing for us although we ride 40 times a year as a group.

Also, we always roll with a full first aid kit to offer first response support until the pros get to the scene. No need to let someone bleed out.

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.....common sense!!