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Steering stem bearing, maybe?

Started by JPaganel, September 20, 2015, 07:22:53 PM

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JPaganel

In the last day or so my steering started getting unbearable (ba-dum-tsch!).

Last week, I noticed a click when braking. Checked the stem nut. Tightened it up. Click went away, and all was fine for a bit.

Then, yesterday and today I started getting a kind of a... not so much a wobble, but a slow side to side sway. And in curves it got downright scary. Also, I do feel a bit of a clunk still on bumps. 

The previous owner said he replaced the bearings. The somewhat mangled bearing seal confirms some work was done, but isn't inspiring confidence.  Also, the parts fiche shows a washer between the two nuts, which seems to be missing. Ordered that.

Trying to decide if maybe the PO only replaced the upper bearing and the lower is toast now, or if I should try tightening the nut again. Maybe just ordering a new bearing set is the thing to do anyway.
1993 FJ1200 ABS

1984 FJ600, up on blocks

1986 FJ1200, flaming wreck, repaired and sold
1986 FJ1200, repaired, ridden, sold


I don't want a pickle
I just want to ride my motorcicle

Bones

Sounds like the steering head bearings are now too tight causing the side to side sway. Loosen it off again, and with the bike on the double stand and front wheel off the ground, grab the fork legs near the axle and push and pull them back and forward and see if you can feel any play, don't pull the bike off the stand though. If there is, just nip it up bit by bit until you cant feel any more play. Providing there's no wiring loom binding, the handlebars should fall easily from side to side with just a gentle push.



93 fj1200
79 suzuki gt250x7


Too young to be old but old enough to know better.

red

JPaganel,

There is a torque spec for the steering head bearings.  Happy to hear that you noticed a missing washer.  You should probably check the Parts Sheets to discover if anything else is missing or jury-rigged.  If your bearings or races are damaged, you should consider replacing them with tapered roller bearings.  I have not done that job, but search the older posts for Part Numbers.  I recommend the Timken brand bearings, and especially at that location.

Cheers,
Red
Cheers,
Red

P.S. Life is too short, and health is too valuable, to ride on cheap parade-duty tires.

JPaganel

Quote from: red on September 20, 2015, 11:38:53 PM
There is a torque spec for the steering head bearings. 
Great. How the hell do you measure that with those goofy nuts? All the wrenches I found for that are C-spanners.


Quote from: red on September 20, 2015, 11:38:53 PM
Happy to hear that you noticed a missing washer.  You should probably check the Parts Sheets to discover if anything else is missing or jury-rigged. 
Done  already.

Quote from: red on September 20, 2015, 11:38:53 PM
If your bearings or races are damaged, you should consider replacing them with tapered roller bearings.  I :rofl2: :drinks:
They are roller bearings. Or, at least, the top one is. :)
1993 FJ1200 ABS

1984 FJ600, up on blocks

1986 FJ1200, flaming wreck, repaired and sold
1986 FJ1200, repaired, ridden, sold


I don't want a pickle
I just want to ride my motorcicle

racerrad8

Quote from: JPaganel on September 21, 2015, 08:52:23 AM
Great. How the hell do you measure that with those goofy nuts? All the wrenches I found for that are C-spanners.

My Yamaha head stem nut wrench has a square hole for use with a torque wrench.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

Pat Conlon

Randy, can you get those? I'll be first in line....
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3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
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Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

racerrad8

Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 21, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
Randy, can you get those? I'll be first in line....

Yes, I should have it on Wednesday

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

racerrad8

They got here quicker than I thought.

Now in stock; Yamaha Steering Stem Wrench

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

FJmonkey

I see that the square hole is offset from the center of the nut. Does it have instructions or the multiplier to get the torque set properly?
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side

racerrad8

Quote from: FJmonkey on September 22, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
I see that the square hole is offset from the center of the nut. Does it have instructions or the multiplier to get the torque set properly?

The wrench does not have instructions and the GYSM does not specify. I tighten to seat the bearings, back off the lower nut and and then torque to 2.2 ft lb (25 in lb). I have never paid attention to the torque wrench position.

Randy - RPM
Randy - RPM

axiom-r

I believe that the torque wrench is to be at a 90 degree angle when being inserted into any kind of extension wrench.  I had to do this when replacing the suspension on my car... 

tim
1992 FJ1200 w 2007 R1 Front & Rear

FJmonkey

I see, the 90 degrees makes sense as long as the extension/offset is not too long. Good to know. Now where did I put my torque wrench?  :scratch_one-s_head:

https://www.motorcraftservice.com/renderers/torquewrench/wrench_formula_main_en.asp
The glass is not half full, it was engineered with a 2X safety factor.

'86 Ambulance - Bent frame, cracked case, due for an overhaul
'89 Stormy Blue - Suits my Dark Side