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Fuel Injection Explained (for dummies like me)

Started by Arnie, July 23, 2015, 09:52:44 PM

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Arnie

Subject heading says it all.

I found this text to be very enlightening  :yahoo:  You might too

  http://www.bikeboy.org/fuelinjection.html

ZOA NOM

Rick

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2010 Honda VFR1200 DCT (Full Auto!)
1993 FJ/GSXR 1200 (-ABS)
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1993 FJ1200 (FIREBALL)
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Pat Conlon

1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

Troyskie

Thanks mate.
Although I think I'm dumber than most.
The explanation was clear, but I didn't understand some of the terms such as 'stoichiermetricly', (which I now understand - thanks interweb).
It has been about 25 years since I had any ability with differential calculus (even then only just competent), so what he meant by 'three dimensional average' is a bit of a mystery to me & even after searching some for it, I still don't really get what he meant by that. It could be a terminology thingy.
It was quite enlightening to discover the input variables, temps, air pressure, timings, etc.
It was also quite interesting to see that a lot of the myths about varying the chip for better economy/performance are blown in this as well, plus wonderfully simply reasons for why.
Of real impact was the comment about aftermarket exhausts for FI bikes. The quest for a nicer note, shinyer can etc. could be a whole lot more expensive than just the purchase of a new pipe. Unless you have one of those control systems re-jetting (well mapping for FI) is going to be really tricky, expensive, and/or time consuming.
A good read mate. :i_am_so_happy:
1984 FJ1100 Ms Effie brand new :)
1984 FJ1100 Pearlie, stock as.
1985 FJ1100 Mr Effie 647,000K and still running hard.
1985 FJ1200 'Yummy' takes a licking & keeps on ticking
2013 Trumpy Tiger 800, let's do another lap of Oz

After all is said and done, more is said than done :)

Pat Conlon

Hey Troy, with 3D graphs it's easier to see an anomaly vs trying to decipher the numbers in a table.
http://www.tuneboy.com.au/Products/Products_Tuneedit.html
1) Free Owners Manual download: https://tinyurl.com/fmsz7hk9
2) Don't store your FJ with E10 fuel https://tinyurl.com/3cjrfct5
3) Replace your old stock rubber brake lines.
4) Important items for the '84-87 FJ's:
Safety wire: https://tinyurl.com/99zp8ufh
Fuel line: https://tinyurl.com/bdff9bf3

fj1289

Very good tutorial. 

But fuel tables in milliseconds is in the minority for aftermarket ECUs.  Most aftermarket ECUs use VE (volumetric efficiency) as the "core" of the calculations.  Then, using information on engine size, max RPM, and fuel injector size along with the VE from the table, the ECU calculated the required PW (pulse width) in milliseconds.  One big advantage with a VE system is you can change injectors without having to create a new tune - the compensation is in the calculations with the new injector size settings.   

All the other corrections (air pressure, temp, etc) are performed in the same manner as described in the article. 

Another difference is the default for most ECUs is to use manifold pressure (MAP)  instead of throttle position to determine engine load.  For most engines MAP is more responsive at low engine loads, while TP (throttle position) is more responsive at higher engine loads.  Many of the tuning algorithms for motorcycles now use a hybrid tuning scheme that blends MAP at low engine loads and TP for high engine loads.

Retuning for something like a change in air filter or exhaust  really isn't too complicated - you just need to be methodical - just like tuning carbs on your own. 

When I get back home - I'll transcribe a much better explanation of the use of VE tables from a couple books on the shelf in the garage.   

Troyskie

Quote from: Pat Conlon on July 24, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
Hey Troy, with 3D graphs it's easier to see an anomaly vs trying to decipher the numbers in a table.
http://www.tuneboy.com.au/Products/Products_Tuneedit.html
Ah ha!
Thanks mate.
1984 FJ1100 Ms Effie brand new :)
1984 FJ1100 Pearlie, stock as.
1985 FJ1100 Mr Effie 647,000K and still running hard.
1985 FJ1200 'Yummy' takes a licking & keeps on ticking
2013 Trumpy Tiger 800, let's do another lap of Oz

After all is said and done, more is said than done :)