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OEM clearances of centre stand vs bottom of dogbones

Started by nurse, February 11, 2014, 05:10:25 AM

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nurse

Does someone happen to know / have a picture of / be willing to measure the clearance of the centre stand when retracted against the stock exhaust.  In particular how far it is from the bottom of the dogbones.

I have fitted a delkevic system and the centre stand rubber stop DOES NOT WORK.  It misses the stand by about 4 inches so the stand impacts upon the connector pipes every time the bike comes off the stand (it hits it hard and it stays touching so not only will it sent long term it will probably burn the paint in the stand too!).

I have a spare pipe clamp bracket that came with te exhaust so I am going to try to configure some sort of stop myself, but I need some original points of reference (I don't fancy re-fitting the old lot just to measure!!).

I could sort something without measurements but I don't want to leave the centre stand too low when retracted and risk impacting the ground.

If anyone happens to know or can point to somewhere that will give me some direction that would be great.

I will post some pics when I am done

Cheers guys
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I fitted Delkevics silencers to my standard collector box, and had the same problem. I got a piece of Stainless bar, suitably drilled. Fitted the bump stop to it, and bolted it on to the Delkevic bump stop hole.so that the stand err, bumps against it.
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nurse

What sort of clearance does that give you between the lowest point of the stand when retracted and the floor?
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This was my solution. Simply weld a couple small rods onto the center stand . It ( the small rods )  will hit the portion of the frame that the center stand attaches to, preventing it from hitting the exhaust, or the chain if you have a 4-1.

nurse

Quote from: fj johnnie on February 12, 2014, 09:29:49 PM


This was my solution. Simply weld a couple small rods onto the center stand . It ( the small rods )  will hit the portion of the frame that the center stand attaches to, preventing it from hitting the exhaust, or the chain if you have a 4-1.

Not sure where this would 'touch' on the frame when it's retracted, from what I am working with it would appear to be the bottom of the dog bones.  Does this mean the bottom of the legs sit closer to the floor when being ridden?

Still not sure about clearance of the OEM stand to the floor when it's up.

I though about having the 'arm' of the stand heated and bent out wards a little to allow it to sit higher, but wonder if the geometry change may affect the function and angles required to get It onto the stand in the first 
Place.
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 Okay. I have an 02 FZ1 swing arm, and a supertrapp 4-1. I noticed the center stand hitting the dog bones when on the side stand. Upon closer inspection I saw that when the suspension was loaded up the center stand could hit the chain as well . Those tabs I welded on keep the center stand from being pulled up by the spring high enough to hit the dog bones. Like you I was concerned about the loss of ground clearance from keeping it lowered too much. Since the dog bones don't typically interfere with the center stand having it just low enough on an un weighted bike on the side stand will suffice. I do have a stock bike however and will measure it some how tomorrow.

ribbert

I don't get this, many people have fitted Delkevics and retained their centre stand and many have had to remove them. What gives?

Do those that have retained them still have the same clearance they had before?

The best fit I could achieve was to swap the intermediate pipes over (the stand rest is now on RHS facing up) and remove the stand because it would no longer retract far enough.

Are they sending out different pipes?
With the muffler and collector position largely predetermined the range of movement when fitting the pipes isn't that great.

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nurse

Anyone manage to get a measurment on this for me? I really don't want to have to refit the stock
Exhaust just to get a figure!!

Cheers guys

Rubbery - I don't know if they are sending out parts with different configurations, I wouldn't have thought
So.  It's more likely that it's down to how we fit and line up the systems!!  And what the PO's have done!!
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mz_rider

Quote from: nurse on February 20, 2014, 03:08:05 PM
Anyone manage to get a measurment on this for me? I really don't want to have to refit the stock
Exhaust just to get a figure!!

Cheers guys

Rubbery - I don't know if they are sending out parts with different configurations, I wouldn't have thought
So.  It's more likely that it's down to how we fit and line up the systems!!  And what the PO's have done!!

Nurse,

I hesitated to measure my old FJ ('91 3XW) since its done more miles than the Starship Enterprise and has been kicked about a bit. But the exhaust & suspension is all standard so the figure should be ok. The clearance between the centre stand (in the up position) and the bottom of the dogbone is the thickness of my pinkie finger - about 10mm. My new FJ has a non-standard silencer (MIVV) so I didn't measure it.   

Stuart

nurse

Quote from: mz_rider on February 20, 2014, 04:56:49 PM
Quote from: nurse on February 20, 2014, 03:08:05 PM
Anyone manage to get a measurment on this for me? I really don't want to have to refit the stock
Exhaust just to get a figure!!

Cheers guys

Rubbery - I don't know if they are sending out parts with different configurations, I wouldn't have thought
So.  It's more likely that it's down to how we fit and line up the systems!!  And what the PO's have done!!

Nurse,

I hesitated to measure my old FJ ('91 3XW) since its done more miles than the Starship Enterprise and has been kicked about a bit. But the exhaust & suspension is all standard so the figure should be ok. The clearance between the centre stand (in the up position) and the bottom of the dogbone is the thickness of my pinkie finger - about 10mm. My new FJ has a non-standard silencer (MIVV) so I didn't measure it.   

Stuart


Cheers fella, that gives me a good place to start from!!
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BMW 1150GS
Moto Guzzi California 3

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BMW 1150GS
Moto Guzzi California 3

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BMW 1150GS
Moto Guzzi California 3