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Title: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: aviationfred on May 06, 2021, 09:27:18 PM
Ever wonder what the underside of a Tesla looks like?



Fred


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: FJmonkey on May 06, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
The Energizer Bunny must be pissed. Might even cancel Easter..


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Motofun on May 07, 2021, 05:47:19 AM
Speaking of Teslas....I was stuck in very long traffic jam yesterday, next to a guy in Tesla.  It was hot so everyone was running their AC...........except the poor guy in his electric car.  He must have been low on battery so he was stuck not running his AC, windows down and not very happy.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: red on May 07, 2021, 07:51:54 AM
Speaking of Teslas....I was stuck in very long traffic jam yesterday, next to a guy in Tesla.  It was hot so everyone was running their AC...........except the poor guy in his electric car.  He must have been low on battery so he was stuck not running his AC, windows down and not very happy.
Motfun,

Yeah, the electrics are not quite there, yet.  I believe that electric cars today should carry a reasonable genset (maybe like a Honda camp unit?) that they could fire up on the rare occasions when it may be needed.  Not big enough to fully recharge the car while driving, of course, but a "range extender" that could at least power the AC and other accessories if needed, or handle the needs of stop-and-go traffic.

I do want an electric car (or anything better, in terms of fossil fuel and emissions), but for now, some reasonable compromises are needed.  Now, I consider this time  to be the biplane era of car development.  Maybe we did build some decent biplanes once, but in time, they got replaced by jets.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 07, 2021, 08:46:56 AM
no comment.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 07, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
no comment.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Millietant on May 07, 2021, 02:09:35 PM
The whole object of electric cars is that they do away with fossil fuel power totally. There was a meme/cartoon doing the rounds a while back of a smug guy driving his electric car telling everyone how his car had "zero emissions", but towed behind the car was a fossil fuel powered power station, pumping out emissions a little way. Whine the car. That was intended to be a total joke.....................

To have an electric car, that uses a fossil fuel powered ICE to charge its battery is, to me, a complete joke (just like the meme/cartoon) - which sums up my feelings about today's crop of battery electric vehicles and especially the hybrids with "range extenders", or those now described as "self charging" - yeah, they self charge, or "range extend", by turning on a gasoline powered internal combustion engine to generate electricity to charge the batteries which run the car.

I'd LOVE a proper electric car - but they just don't make them yet. At work we tried Hydrogen Fuel Cell powered electric 90 tonne dumper trucks and they were astonishing !!!! Instant power, quiet running, reliable, cheap to run - they were just STUPENDOUSLY expensive to buy and our parent company weren't prepared to make the huge up-front capital investment in replacing our fleet with new Electric ones.

We also ran a fleet of vans for our highway inspectors. These vans ran 24/7 on a 3 shift basis. When we tried to operate with Battery electric vans, we found the down-time for charging meant that we needed more than twice as many vans in our fleet to maintain our work programme. Our client wanted us to be "environmentally friendly" and said they would pay the extra for using electric vans vs diesel powered vans- they lost their resolve after 3 months and simply decided they couldn't afford it. Our inspectors hated using them, because they spent more time driving to and from depots to swap for freshly charged vans, than they did actually working.

Once the technology has been developed properly I'll be straight in to buy one, but right now, they're about as much use to me, as a chocolate fire guard.

 :Facepalm:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: red on May 07, 2021, 02:29:48 PM
The whole object of electric cars is that they do away with fossil fuel power totally.
Millietant,

You missed a word - "rare."  Of course nobody would run an on-board ICE power plant, unless there was a power shortfall with the regular drive system.
Once people understand that charging the batteries is NO different than filling the gas tank (meaning, essential for whatever length of trip), then the ICE power plant would rarely be used.  The few instances when it might be needed will only be covering the (operator-induced?) shortfalls.  I mean, people run out of gas often enough with ICE cars.  Are those ICE cars, out of gas, equally "defective?"  Every vehicle has its' operational limits.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 07, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
Where are we supposed to get all this electricity?


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Bones on May 07, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
Why can’t they just fit high output alternators to each wheel so as soon as the car starts moving the battery’s getting charged, that way there’d be no need to plug it in every night and theoretically you’d have endless range of travel. :unknown:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: giantkiller on May 07, 2021, 04:21:09 PM
I'm not a tree hugger. I have a net zero house. Not because of global warming. Personally I kinda like global warming. I have a net zero house because I want to not have any bills. When if I can retire. And I want to work less hours until then. I have a smart car. Not because it gets 48mpg. Even when I hammer on it. Because I want to stick a turbo charged sled motor in it. And freak people out when they get smoked by a smart car. 300+hp in a 1500lb car. I want to have an electric car and or motorcycle.  Because they are insanely fast. And I can charge them with my solar.

Mother nature will recover. She'll just kill us off. If she feels like it and get back to business. Growing the next things she likes.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 07, 2021, 04:42:17 PM
That’s fine if you wanna drive within range of your solar, but if everybody drives one, there isn’t enough real estate in the whole country for the windmills and solar panels needed to charge them all.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Millietant on May 07, 2021, 05:17:23 PM
The whole object of electric cars is that they do away with fossil fuel power totally.
Millietant,

You missed a word - "rare."  Of course nobody would run an on-board ICE power plant, unless there was a power shortfall with the regular drive system.
Once people understand that charging the batteries is NO different than filling the gas tank (meaning, essential for whatever length of trip), then the ICE power plant would rarely be used.  The few instances when it might be needed will only be covering the (operator-induced?) shortfalls.  I mean, people run out of gas often enough with ICE cars.  Are those ICE cars, out of gas, equally "defective?"  Every vehicle has its' operational limits.

I didn't miss the "rare" Red, but when hybrids are only designed to run for less than 40 miles (and many less than 20 miles) on battery power, then the ICE engine runs a LOT of the time.

My issue with battery electric vehicles isn't necessarily the range, it's the time it takes to achieve enough of a recharge to go the same distance again. What use is a car with a 200 mile range that takes upwards of 4 hours to get up to another 200 miles range or for that matter, one that takes 90 minutes to recharge - the recharging time means potentially half of your journey time on a 300 mile journey will be spent sitting stationary at a charging point.

For 5 years I was frequently making the 900 mile drive from CT to IN and back in my mother-in-laws Subaru economy car. That journey (with multiple drivers) usually took 14-15 hrs, including refuelling stops. How long would that journey take in a battery electric vehicle??? - and how much would it cost for 4 people to make that journey by plane, with a 90 hire car mile journey from the airport in IN and parking fees at the airport in CT.

My final issues with Battery Electric Carsat the moment are 1) the proposals (licences already applied for) for mass deep ocean floor dredging (and the utter devastation to marine habitat) to mine enough cobalt to meet the demand for batteries and 2) where the heck is all of this electricity going come from and what happens in power cuts?

In the U.K., we're already at breaking point with our power generation capacity, even before we all switch to charging our BEV cars overnight.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Waiex191 on May 07, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
This is all we need:
https://youtu.be/ptlhgFaB89Y


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: giantkiller on May 07, 2021, 06:11:13 PM
That’s fine if you wanna drive within range of your solar, but if everybody drives one, there isn’t enough real estate in the whole country for the windmills and solar panels needed to charge them all.
You kinda missed my point.  I really don't care where the electricity comes from. Or their range. Although I have 10+kilowatts and have enough room on my roof for 18 total. But they are/can be insanely fast.

I'm just a little power hungry.

Okay you guys can continue arguing about their practicality.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Sparky84 on May 07, 2021, 07:06:02 PM
I mean, people run out of gas often enough with ICE cars.  Are those ICE cars, out of gas, equally "defective?"  Every vehicle has its' operational limits.
Can you imagine the grid lock when they do run out of spark, I’m assuming there’ll be a lot, how many times have you heard, “my phones nearly out of charge”.
Can you push an electric car off the road when it runs out of charge? Will they roll without any power to operate things?


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Ted Schefelbein on May 07, 2021, 07:32:22 PM
My kid has spent a lot of time on You Tube, looking at videos under the search “Dead Tesla”. He does it for the laughs, but, people get themselves into serious trouble with what my career Marine Corps NCO father referred to as PPPP-piss poor prior planning.
Of late, the more serious videos, where people are stranded in subzero weather, or in god forsaken places, have been quietly disappearing from You Tube. Hmm. Take it for what it is, I guess.
My employer has delivery vehicles that are electric. Once you are at temps below zero degrees, battery consumption becomes logarithmic, and the gauge is unable to register how quickly you will be out of spark, or accurately tell you just how far you can go. It is ALWAYS not as far as you believe.
There are problems with electric. There will be owners that are willing and able to work around those problems. What concerns me more is being told that is my only option. Hopping into my F150 with 7500 lbs of stuff behind me, and running 7 hours to the northwest corner of the state to fish or hunt is pretty easy with internal combustion.
You want electric, go for it. I’m very content with what I’ve got.

Ted


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: RPM - Robert on May 07, 2021, 08:55:58 PM
I mean, people run out of gas often enough with ICE cars.  Are those ICE cars, out of gas, equally "defective?"  Every vehicle has its' operational limits.
Can you imagine the grid lock when they do run out of spark, I’m assuming there’ll be a lot, how many times have you heard, “my phones nearly out of charge”.
Can you push an electric car off the road when it runs out of charge? Will they roll without any power to operate things?

We ran Buttonwillow raceway last year which is directly off the I5 here in California. Anyways, on the way home there must be one charge station for electric cars between Los Angeles and wherever most of these people were heading. There was a 3 mile line of cars on the shoulder of the two lane I5 all waiting to get to the charge station and charge up. We pulled off the same off ramp as it was the only In n out burger on that desolate stretch and it was getting late. At least the electrics were smart enough to make a “3rd” lane out of the shoulder and we whizzed on by to get a burger and some fries.

One day the range will be there but today ain’t that day. If I had an EV, I wouldn’t  be above hooking that bad boy up to genny to get some ac in the 115* summer heat here in the valley.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 07, 2021, 09:04:08 PM
Based on today’s technology how much area would we need for PV to power the USA?
 PV panels on just 10,000 square miles of the nation's total land area – could supply enough electricity to power the entire United States. With advancements in the PV tech, next year that area will be reduced to 8k sq.miles.

The EV tech we see today is comparable to what I saw in the early ‘60’s with the first transistor radios.
Wait and see.

Say what you want about EV’s, go ahead and laugh, make fun....I can say with all certainty that my modest investment in TSLA stock has turned out very nicely for me....Very nicely indeed.  
Watch for the Star Link IPO in 2022

No, I don’t own a Tesla..too expensive.
 I think a Chevy Bolt for the wife to run around town would be cool.

Dan’s point on installing a home PV system is valid. Forget about the environment, do it for economics.
Win win.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: RPM - Robert on May 07, 2021, 09:22:33 PM
You can get the new Porsche Taycan for less than a Model x.

Side eyes Rick. Tesla did a 1:58.91 around thunderhill east. Almost as fast as we ran in February at a 1:55.9. I think this little electric might be as fast if not faster than the “race Porsche” there were a couple of 911s lapping around 2:04-2:05 last time. Spec Miata was doing 2:04-2:05s as well.

Might be time to trade that Porsche in for an electric Porsche and drop a few seconds off that lap time. Or ditch the Porsche and get a “real race car” for a fraction of the price and knock off even more time.  :empathy3:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 07, 2021, 09:33:29 PM
Porsche Taycan: $80k for a 200 mile range? Not for me....

I’ll go $35k for a 400 mile range....perhaps next year....


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: RPM - Robert on May 07, 2021, 09:37:37 PM
Just trying to get our resident Porsche man to drink the kool aid.

All in good fun. Burning hydrocarbons and laying rubber is the name of the game. Better than sitting on the couch and being a potato. I think we might even have Zari walking the tight rope of becoming a track head.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 07, 2021, 09:40:03 PM
 :good: gotcha....
Rick getting his windshield sucked out by a 4 door Tesla on Hoosiers would not be a pretty sight.

Robert, with the ‘Busa engine Roadsters, what’s the power to weight ratio? Around 7 to 1?


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Motofun on May 08, 2021, 05:33:55 AM
https://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/daily_picdump_3733_640_02wtmk.jpg?attachment_cache_bust=3658005&quality=85&strip=info&w=600

Up scale this concept........... :Facepalm:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Waiex191 on May 08, 2021, 06:42:06 AM
$80k for a 200 mile range? Not for me....

I’ll go $35k for a 400 mile range....next year....

The airplane has about $30K into it and will have a ~400 mile range. The 1998 Saturn in the background was bought for $500 and also has a ~400 mile range.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/12/6694_07_12_20_4_20_16_0.jpeg)

Search for EV pusher trailer.  There is a cool one made out of the very back of a VW bug pushing a Mitsubishi EV.  It can even let the vehicle recharge by riding the regenerative brakes!


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 08, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
LOL at all you guys. The pathetic whine of an EV on track just can't compete with the wail of a flat 6 at 7500 rpm. Never will.

See link for unrelated content...

https://youtu.be/PMM0hSQwjFE (https://youtu.be/PMM0hSQwjFE)


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: red on May 09, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
Battery tech is the limits on electric vehicles, but that science is not standing still.  Never did like the Lithium-Ion chemistry, personally . . .
Aluminum and oxygen is just one idea now in the works.  So much for range anxiety, folks.    :hi:   

https://youtu.be/z0RU_ck64Bs?t=293 (https://youtu.be/z0RU_ck64Bs?t=293)


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 09, 2021, 05:09:34 PM
A watt is a watt, always was, always will be. You still need a source for the electricity. Wind and solar? Good luck. No nuclear? Forget it. The “thrill” of instant torque isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 09, 2021, 06:56:47 PM
Of course wind/solar/nuclear is the best....however, an EV powered with electricity from a natural gas power plant is still cleaner than a ICE.

But Rick already knows this....


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: andyoutandabout on May 10, 2021, 04:51:37 AM
Electric cars for all are decades away. Current grid infrastructure (pun intended) is way off being able to handle charging them up.
Even though I try to do my bit for the Planet, Mother Nature will have to let me slide on the combustion engine part. Bring back two strokes.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Millietant on May 10, 2021, 06:23:57 AM
We only have 8 and 1/2 years to the ban on the sale of new petrol or diesel powered cars Andy.........so the technology better start moving on quickly and the infrastructure development REALLY needs to get a move on.

What entertains me most about this is that we are already near breaking point in our electricity supply capacity and the new power stations that need to be built to provide the electricity to charge these cars, haven't even started to be built yet - most of them are stuck in the planning and financing stages !!

The irony of this is probably that most of the "electric" cars in sold 2030 will have on-board IC engines generating the electricity that gives them their motive power........and the policies in favour of electric cars are all about not burning petrochemicals for propulsion.....what a joke !!

The whole electric car industry needs a real kick up the ass to get moving on workable NEW solutions for electric vehicles, instead of focussing on fine tuning the battery/charging technology that's been used for over a decade now, almost unchanged in principle since the launch of the Nissan Leaf.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: fj1289 on May 10, 2021, 09:18:28 AM
But how many smile per $ or smiles per mile for each?!

$80k for a 200 mile range? Not for me....

I’ll go $35k for a 400 mile range....next year....

The airplane has about $30K into it and will have a ~400 mile range. The 1998 Saturn in the background was bought for $500 and also has a ~400 mile range.
([url]http://fjowners.com/gallery/12/6694_07_12_20_4_20_16_0.jpeg[/url])

Search for EV pusher trailer.  There is a cool one made out of the very back of a VW bug pushing a Mitsubishi EV.  It can even let the vehicle recharge by riding the regenerative brakes!


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: Waiex191 on May 10, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
But how many smile per $ or smiles per mile for each?!

That is an excellent metric - and why a 1998 Saturn comes out ahead of a Tesla!  Both of them fall short of the FJ and any airplane though.


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: fj1289 on May 10, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
But how many smile per $ or smiles per mile for each?!

That is an excellent metric - and why a 1998 Saturn comes out ahead of a Tesla!  Both of them fall short of the FJ and any airplane though.

My thoughts exactly!


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: ZOA NOM on May 10, 2021, 10:03:46 AM
But how many smile per $ or smiles per mile for each?!

That is an excellent metric - and why a 1998 Saturn comes out ahead of a Tesla!  Both of them fall short of the FJ and any airplane though.


I'll drink to that!  :drinks:


Title: Re: The underside of a Tesla car
Post by: mopic_camera_guy on August 21, 2022, 09:58:54 AM
Speaking of Teslas...

When I see one approaching...  all I see is the face of Lord Voldemort in that front end design.


You're welcome.