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I have been in contact with Hot Foot Moto regarding reverse engineering a good slider and offering them for sale. Balky got this ball rolling here http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16941.0. (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16941.0.)

So Hot Foot would like to know how much interest there is in making them for the FJ world.

Hot Foot gave a ballpark range of $40.

Vote early, vote often...

OK guys, let's see your votes! This part was frequently asked for.  :good:

If I wasn't converting 2 of my 86s to R1 swingarms. I would have ordered 1 just to have a spare. Because they're going to wear out. If you plan on keeping your bike. And not doing the work to convert the swing arm. You should get one of these.

I need the '89-'93 version..........................

Quote from: Firehawk068 on June 15, 2017, 01:15:42 PM
I need the '89-'93 version..........................

That one is available in abundance as OEM. These earlier years are not.

We received 100 with our last Yamaha order. There are plenty left.

89-93 Swing Arm Guide (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3ASAG)

Robert - RPM

I would buy two.

Chris

I don't need one. But I voted for Andy French who is traveling and asked me to put a vote in for him.


Fred

I was able to find a good used one for my 1984 FJ a few years ago. However, if I had not I was planning on fabricating one from two pieces of Delrin and pop riveting it on.

I need one for my 84...

Quote from: SkyFive on June 16, 2017, 08:25:31 PM

I was able to find a good used one for my 1984 FJ a few years ago. However, if I had not I was planning on fabricating one from two pieces of Delrin and pop riveting it on.

Problem is it won't last long. Rubber in combination with chain lube, chain cleaner, oil, UV light....it just becomes crumbly. So you will need one sooner or later. Recently I managed to find one NOS, but even with that, I would buy a new one for sure, because...40$ just isn't expensive. Even this new one I bought...hmmm I don't know. Rubber just looks old.

I'm interested too

Quote from: Alf on June 17, 2017, 04:00:29 AM
I'm interested too

Give a vote on the poll.

My option is in 2 months, so now  :good2:

A bump for the poll!  :crazy: :mail1:

At the current interest level Hot Foot is interested and I will send them my part this week. I will post more updates when I can.

Quote from: FJmonkey on June 27, 2017, 02:20:31 PM
At the current interest level Hot Foot is interested and I will send them my part this week. I will post more updates when I can.

:good2: Thank you for the effort!

Update...

Hot foot has sent my slider to a sub-contractor that repairs the cosmetics of my used/worn slider. This repair restores it to a condition that is then copied for reproduction. Nobody wants a new item to have wear marks out of the box. I will follow up in a month or so as this process may take 2 months. So stay tuned if you want, I will update when I know more.

How many of these are being made?  I certainly want to get one when available. 

I will get more details when they get my part back and start the reverse engineering process on it.

This is great news. I didn't get to vote, but I would be very interested in these.

Mark

Quote from: FJmonkey on August 08, 2017, 06:37:14 PM
I will get more details when they get my part back and start the reverse engineering process on it.

Any updates on a time frame when they will be available?

Mine is starting to fall apart now, cracks have been there for awhile but now bits are falling off.

Cheers
Alan

Quote from: Sparky84 on October 01, 2017, 12:53:35 AM
Any updates on a time frame when they will be available?

Mine is starting to fall apart now, cracks have been there for awhile but now bits are falling off.

Cheers
Alan

My reminder has not alerted me yet but I think it will hit soon. I will ping them for an update.

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 01, 2017, 01:00:45 AM
My reminder has not alerted me yet but I think it will hit soon. I will ping them for an update.

Thanks Mate, after further inspection mine Is cactus,  :negative:
I don't need to take any screws out the remove it, I think its the splatter from chain lube holding it there  :nea:
Might have to stick it down with double sided tape

Cheers
Alan

Does the swing arm have to be removed to install this slider?  Just wondering should these things ever become available.

Quote from: fjbiker84 on October 02, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
Does the swing arm have to be removed to install this slider?  Just wondering should these things ever become available.

If they make it the same - then I think NO (I think monkey sent them older style slider that is open on the front). Although it is a lot easier to do it if you remove it (and grease the bearings in the process).
There was a newer style slider that is closed at the front and removal is necessary. 

Just trying to find a replacement for mine and came across, http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=9147.msg159887#msg159887 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=9147.msg159887#msg159887)

Does the 89-93 work properly, does it cover the drop down part for the bolt that holds Linkage arm?

Cheers Alan

No.

 :shok:

Hey Monkey , I need one as well when available

I have sent an email asking for an update. When I hear back I post an update.

My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 16, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...

Looking more and more promising! Thank you for your efforts Monkey!  :good:

Quote from: balky1 on October 16, 2017, 02:03:46 AM

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 16, 2017, 12:18:04 AM
My slider is back from repair and now on the Hot Foot Moto bench for duplication. The process has made the first major step...

Looking more and more promising! Thank you for your efforts Monkey!  :good:

+10

That is Great news Mr Monkey, you have done Well   :drinks:

I got a reply to my question asking when the mold might be ready.

"Nothing yet. Some molds take 1 day. Others take 6 months. It's quite the complex procedure to figure out how to pour the mold and be able to get the part out again. I'll let you know as soon as it's ready."

Quote from: FJmonkey on October 18, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
I got a reply to my question asking when the mold might be ready.

"Nothing yet. Some molds take 1 day. Others take 6 months. It's quite the complex procedure to figure out how to pour the mold and be able to get the part out again. I'll let you know as soon as it's ready."

Okay, important thing is they're working on it and haven't forgotten about us.

I'll put my hand up for four please.

I forgot to say the local bike shop let me take a bunch of dirt bike ones home to see which would fit closest. None really did but I managed to get one on with a cable tie and some heat.

Troy, thanks for the tickle. I will follow up for a progress report on the slider.

Update.... There is no update. My last 3 emails (the first of the three on Jan 20) asking for an update have not been answered. I called then number I found for them and got a generic answering recording, I left a message.

Anyone near this company that can see if they are still in business?

Hot Foot Moto
4481 Hobart Rd
Gagetown, Michigan 48735-9749

Our luck, I guess...  :empathy3:

Quote from: FJmonkey on March 29, 2018, 03:29:17 PM
Update.... There is no update. My last 3 emails (the first of the three on Jan 20) asking for an update have not been answered. I called then number I found for them and got a generic answering recording, I left a message.

Anyone near this company that can see if they are still in business?

That's not good, after all the effort you have put in.

Did you get your original slider back that the mold was made from or are you still waiting for the mold to get made and they still have your original?

Cheers Alan

They still have my original... :cray:

Mate, that's the sad part about this   :empathy3:

I do hope you get it back after your valiant effort in trying to help others   :drinks:

Hot Foot Moto has a FB page... Last update was Dec 2017. I am keeping my hopes up for a little bit longer.

I got an update this morning!!!

"Hi Mark,
Just letting you know that we have the mold poured. If all goes well, I should have the part available next week."

I am not sure if this means production ready or still in a validation phase. I will wait for the next update and possibly have some better info on production. 

 :yahoo:

I like the sound of that.

Maybe they were still on Chrissy Holidays before,
let's hope they don't start them early.

Teaser Alert!!! Hot Foot delivered. It looks good, see for your self.

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_47_1.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_46_0.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_51_3.jpeg)

(http://fjowners.com/gallery/10/104_30_04_18_5_11_49_2.jpeg)

Randy or Robert will have it very soon to review the fit.

 :good2:

What's your impression on the material?

That part looks the business.  :good2:

Can the price be kept under $75.00?


Fred

Mark,
That's really interesting.

I take it that a mold was made of the original part, then the new material was poured, correct?

What's the material?

I ask, because Reynolds Advanced Products has an outlet right down the street from my house, and they sell stuff like that, with all sorts of different characteristics and properties.

Steve

What's the next step?  Do you need to approve the sample before they make a run of more?  Do you think the material it's made of is as good as the Yamaha part?   

All good questions.

Quote from: balky1 on May 01, 2018, 01:46:10 AM
What's your impression on the material?

The material seems very hard and slick. Not sure of the properties under the shiny surface.

Quote from: aviationfred on May 01, 2018, 05:09:14 AM
Can the price be kept under $75.00?

I think it will be comfortably under $75, I hope Randy can work a supplier deal with Hotfoot.

Quote from: Steve_in_Florida on May 01, 2018, 06:43:44 AM
I take it that a mold was made of the original part, then the new material was poured, correct?

What's the material?

It was, my part was used so they did a cosmetic correction. Then made the mold from the part. I will ask about the material, it depends if they keep that info NEED to KNOW.

update please.... (popcorn)

Troy, thanks for the poke. I sent the slider to Randy at RPM for evaluation. I think he wants to install it to see if the material has good wear properties. Just looking good does not mean it will last. I know he is a bit busy right now but when he reads this it may bring it further up the list of things to do. You seem to be back in the thick of it with all your bikes stripped down. Its a wonder how you ever leave the garage with all the nakedness going on. My next project is a major repair of a lower fairing. A fellow rider is out for hip revision surgery and I have his lower in much need of repair. I plan to take plenty of pics and share my success (or failure) of the attempt. Maybe I will just print a new one....

The dirt bike chain slider I put on Yummy is working well. The donor bike has one I might pinch. I was thinking of printing one with a channel to accept a dirt bike slider so it can be mounted properly, but easily swapped out for a new one.

It is hard to leave the shed. Very hard! I've a few little fun jobs to do, but the big job is a top end refresh on Effie.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv&vxp=mtr)

That is from the company that Monkey sent his guide into. When we contacted them about some concerns we had about the rubber being soft. This is what they had to say about the durability,

"I haven't had a chance to list them on our website or ebay yet. It's in the works though. Our polyurethane is 60 shore hardness. They don't offer much harder. The only thing that I have seen is the chain sliders can melt at highway speeds. Let me know how it works. The sliders are going to retail for $59.95."

We currently have the sample one on Andy's bike being tested to see if it will hold up.

Peeps,
Since last weeks chain guide install, 800 riding miles have passed over it. I'll check on it tonight and see how its holding up. The bulk of those 800 were done on the highway at speeds averaging 80mph for a good long run.
Andy

As the person that installed the prototype, yes the first prototype, onto Andy's bike, I had to make modifications to get it to fit. I am not aware if the company has done any test fitting on any other fans.

The mould they took from monkey's original is warped. It would not fit without going in and grinding down material.

I will email hot foot and let them know there is still more design changes to the finished product.

Randy - RPM

So I assume 84-87 FJ chain sliders are a consumable part that is unobtainium?

Joe

Yep

Gentlemen:    I recently purchased off Ebay a new chain slider for my 84. I thought it was an NOS item, but not so,
This company, Hot Foot Moto, has made their own mold and poured them.  OK.  well, the cost is $55ish. You can submit 3 prices to to get it lower than the list of $59.  They accepted $55, nor $51 or $52.

Fit and finish is a long way from NOS, but I got it on and it looks like it will work with the swingarm now installed. I had to reverse the lower 90 degree keeper as the keeper would not fit the normal way. It looks like if I trimmed the keeper 90 degree length it would work, but have not tried that until I check to see if those keepers are still available.   

The material seems very durable and has a gloss black surface instead of the dull black of the Yamaha part.
I'll be testing it in about a week when I get the rest of my bike back together.

It started here if you want to see the history behind it. http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16984.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16984.0)

thanx, FJ.  I'll look at that. Hopefully its good news.

Ahhh, I was wondering how this ended up with production etc. Good to know as I will be taking ownership of a nice '84 soon.

Quote from: X-Ray on September 05, 2019, 07:14:45 PM
Ahhh, I was wondering how this ended up with production etc. Good to know as I will be taking ownership of a nice '84 soon.

Just got mine in the post, I'll bring it to the shed Day  :good:

Awesome Alan, will we be fitting it ?

No stress Ray, you've a very nice OEM slider I put on when I replaced the swinger.

Dang that interweb got me again...... :sarcastic:
I'm sure I typed swingarm...

Quote from: Sparky84 on September 06, 2019, 03:22:02 AM
Just got mine in the post, I'll bring it to the shed Day  :good:

Sweet! I've love to check one out.

I've been obsessing over chain tension way too much as I didn't want to 'bugger' my swinger, I mean swingarm.

Awesome Troy, topics like this have piqued my interest now for some reason

Well new chain slider has 1 major problem, doesn't look like it was a good copy.
No provision for lower fixing tab to fit into slider and a piece out of slider which should be there.
Picture with blue circle is old slider with tab provision but piece worn away and broken over tab.
Picture with red circle is new (copy) slider with No tab provision and No piece over where tab would be.
Picture with green circle is a new slider with tab provision and showing piece over tab. (This slider is one you have to take swingarm off to fit.

What do you mean by "piece out of slider"? The slot that is missing, can you just cut it in? That part after all only slightly supports the slider.

Quote from: balky1 on September 14, 2019, 01:44:09 AM
What do you mean by "piece out of slider"? The slot that is missing, can you just cut it in? That part after all only slightly supports the slider.

Just modified photos.

Not going to easy to 'cut' a slot in without making comprising it at that point.
'Piece out of slider' is no missing in bottom photo

Quote from: Sparky84 on September 14, 2019, 01:53:16 AM

Quote from: balky1 on September 14, 2019, 01:44:09 AM
What do you mean by "piece out of slider"? The slot that is missing, can you just cut it in? That part after all only slightly supports the slider.

Just modified photos.

Not going to easy to 'cut' a slot in without making comprising it at that point.
'Piece out of slider' is no missing in bottom photo

Well I'm doing the YZF600R rear wheel conversion so I'll probably get one so I don't damage the swing arm and have to redo the rear with a different swing arm package for such a disposable part. Thanks to Hot Foot for even attempting this project.

Quote from: Bud Wilkinson on October 22, 2019, 05:31:11 PM

Quote from: Sparky84 on September 14, 2019, 01:53:16 AM

Quote from: balky1 on September 14, 2019, 01:44:09 AM
What do you mean by "piece out of slider"? The slot that is missing, can you just cut it in? That part after all only slightly supports the slider.

Just modified photos.

Not going to easy to 'cut' a slot in without making comprising it at that point.
'Piece out of slider' is no missing in bottom photo

Well I'm doing the YZF600R rear wheel conversion so I'll probably get one so I don't damage the swing arm and have to redo the rear with a different swing arm package for such a disposable part. Thanks to Hot Foot for even attempting this project.

Not worth the cash as you'll possibly damage it trying to make it fit.

There's a one for sale on eBay from Michigan - I know it says it's from Hot Foot Moto, so is this different to the one you referred to above Bud ?

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv (https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv)

Quote from: Millietant on October 23, 2019, 01:47:40 AM
There's a one for sale on eBay from Michigan - I know it says it's from Hot Foot Moto, so is this different to what was referred to above ?

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv (https://www.ebay.ie/itm/1984-1987-Yamaha-FJ-1100-1200-Front-Chain-Slider-Seal-Guard-36Y-22151-01-00/113297378736?hash=item1a610ccdb0:g:VSUAAOSwnFpbvAwv)

Yes, it's missing a piece and the slot for rear retaining bolt
You'll have to modify it which could comprise its durability, or it'll break at that spot

Sparky, I was just wondering, does that copy have a piece where it screws on the swing arm with a little Phillips screw, on the upper part of the slider. If you know what I mean. Can't see that part on your pics.

take a look at my post.
https://fjowners.com/index.php?topic=20493.0

Quote from: wishmaster on September 20, 2022, 01:13:30 PM
take a look at my post.
https://fjowners.com/index.php?topic=20493.0

This topic is for a different slider than you are showing.

This topic is for a different slider than you are showing.
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Oops sorry.