Hey guys.
I'm in the middle of the Bering sea so I can't go out in my garage to look at my 92FJ for comparison. I am ordering all parts required for a brake upgrade and I am down to calipers. I want the R1 blue dots but not sure which years are compatible with the 92 forks. Looking at them on eBay, seems like 2 different configurations, triangular shaped and a more rectangular shaped. Just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on the buy now. Thanks
Scott
You're looking for the non radial mount type like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-03-YAMAHA-R1-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-yzf-1000-yzfr1-2002-2003-02-03-yzf-r1-/390632454849?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af3823ac1&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-03-YAMAHA-R1-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-yzf-1000-yzfr1-2002-2003-02-03-yzf-r1-/390632454849?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af3823ac1&vxp=mtr)
The R1 changed to radial mount in 04 or 05. Do not get the newer style.
Derek
Quote from: Derek Young on August 05, 2013, 11:54:46 AM
You're looking for the non radial mount type like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-03-YAMAHA-R1-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-yzf-1000-yzfr1-2002-2003-02-03-yzf-r1-/390632454849?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af3823ac1&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-03-YAMAHA-R1-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-yzf-1000-yzfr1-2002-2003-02-03-yzf-r1-/390632454849?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5af3823ac1&vxp=mtr)
The R1 changed to radial mount in 04 or 05. Do not get the newer style.
Derek
Mid '03 on the R1's Derek, but the early '03 R1's were non-radial gold dots.
Cheers
Harvy
Quote from: FJscott on August 05, 2013, 09:55:24 AM
Hey guys.
I'm in the middle of the Bering sea so I can't go out in my garage to look at my 92FJ for comparison. I am ordering all parts required for a brake upgrade and I am down to calipers. I want the R1 blue dots but not sure which years are compatible with the 92 forks. Looking at them on eBay, seems like 2 different configurations, triangular shaped and a more rectangular shaped. Just want to make sure before I pull the trigger on the buy now. Thanks
Scott
Scott, anything from an R1 from I think around '98 thru to mid '03 will do the trick. They went to radial mount in mid '03 and they will not fit the FJ legs.
Harvy
Both sets in these links will work.
Gold Dots
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-R1-2002-2003-Calipers-Axial-/300942442135?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2003%7CMake%3AYamaha%7CSubmodel%3AR1&hash=item4611913e97&vxp=mtr#ht_119wt_1399 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-R1-2002-2003-Calipers-Axial-/300942442135?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2003%7CMake%3AYamaha%7CSubmodel%3AR1&hash=item4611913e97&vxp=mtr#ht_119wt_1399)
Blue Dots
http://www.ebay.com/itm/R1-calipers-brakes-pads-lines-R6-2002-2001-2000-2003-/161080335242?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258122db8a&vxp=mtr#ht_45wt_1399 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/R1-calipers-brakes-pads-lines-R6-2002-2001-2000-2003-/161080335242?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item258122db8a&vxp=mtr#ht_45wt_1399)
Fred
Thanks Harvy
Thanks Fred
Quote from: FJscott on August 05, 2013, 08:13:40 PM
Thanks Fred
Pretty SURE R6 Blue Dots are the Same ! bit cheaper too!
Yes up to 2003 R6 Blue Dots will work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-YAMAHA-YZF-R6-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPER-SET-OEM-/300946509181?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4611cf4d7d&vxp=mtr#ht_1012wt_1399 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-YAMAHA-YZF-R6-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPER-SET-OEM-/300946509181?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4611cf4d7d&vxp=mtr#ht_1012wt_1399)
Fred
I found lovely gold dot callipers... they comes of from Yamaha FZ8 2012 and looks this same as older blue / gold...
http://allegro.pl/zaciski-hamulcowe-przednie-yamaha-fz8-fazer-12r-r1-i4690285863.html (http://allegro.pl/zaciski-hamulcowe-przednie-yamaha-fz8-fazer-12r-r1-i4690285863.html)
So the question is: will it fit? :wacko3:
Those will work just fine.
Quote from: MOTOMYSZOR on November 05, 2014, 02:20:14 PM
I found lovely gold dot callipers... they comes of from Yamaha FZ8 2012 and looks this same as older blue / gold...
http://allegro.pl/zaciski-hamulcowe-przednie-yamaha-fz8-fazer-12r-r1-i4690285863.html (http://allegro.pl/zaciski-hamulcowe-przednie-yamaha-fz8-fazer-12r-r1-i4690285863.html)
So the question is: will it fit? :wacko3:
I am not 100% certain that they will work. The FZ-8 has inverted forks, but the calipers
do not appear to be radial style calipers like the newer R1's. If you can get them for a good price, go for it. IMO they appear as if they will work.
I do believe that you will have to de-activate your ABS to use these calipers.
Fred
Quote from: aviationfred on November 05, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
I do believe that you will have to de-activate your ABS to use these calipers.
Fred
I wondered about this as well Fred... Not that I'm contemplating X-dots, but I knew that there were some different part numbers for the REAR brake system between ABS and non ABS '92 models. I wondered what the differences were and why. After a lengthy part-for-part number comparison on ALL brake components, I found the following similarities:
The FRONT calipers are identical between ABS and non-ABS models
The FRONT master cylinder is identical between ABS and non-ABS models
The REAR caliper is identical between ABS and non-ABS models
The REAR rotor is identical between ABS and non-ABS models
I found the following disparities:
The FRONT rotors are different between ABS and non-ABS models at the hub (because the wheel has to accommodate the ABS sensor)
The FRONT and REAR brake line schedule is different between ABS and non-ABS models (to route to and from the ABS pump)
The REAR master cylinder is different, but for the life of me I can't figure out how. There is a different part number for the MC assembly as well as the rebuild kit, but from outside appearances, they contain the same bits.
Given that the stock front calipers are the same between ABS and non-ABS '92 FJ's, it would seem that there is nothing special about the caliper itself that makes it ABS-worthy. Same would go for the similarity with the master cylinder.
Would there be some artifact in the ABS performance if one were to just change the calipers without changing the MC (different hydraulic ratios?)?
Quote from: Capn Ron on November 05, 2014, 04:19:46 PM
The REAR master cylinder is different, but for the life of me I can't figure out how. There is a different part number for the MC assembly as well as the rebuild kit, but from outside appearances, they contain the same bits.
They are definitely different on the inside. I found that out the hard way several years ago when an ABS member bought the non-abs rebuild kit and he wasn't able to ride for a few weeks while I ordered the correct kit.
84-92 Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Kit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3A84-92MCRebuildKitRear)
(http://www.rpmracingca.com/prodimages/large/M%20C%2084-92MCRebuildKitRear-1.jpg)
92-93 ABS Rear Master Cylinder Rebuild Kit (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3A92-93MCRebuildKitRear)
(http://www.rpmracingca.com/prodimages/large/M%20C%2092-93MCRebuildKitRear-1.jpg)
Randy - RPM
On another note, I have blue dots and FJR M/C on my 92 and the ABS still operates.
Randy - RPM
Dean had YZF600 monoblocs (early blue dot) on his 92 with the ABS functioning.
Hi,
quick question, first I have a 93 FJ non ABS and I was wondering, are the blue dots direct bolt on and no mods to the support or M/C or is it recommended to change the M/C.
Thanks,
Mark
Hi Mark, yes the non radial blue/gold/polka dots bolt right on your '93 fork legs.
The master cylinder (m/c) you have on your '93 has a piston diameter of 5/8" (16mm)
If you look closely you can see the 5/8 cast on the body of the m/c.
Many folks continue to use the stock master cylinder and see no problem with doing so...
Personally, I don't like it the wooden feel of the stock m/c when used with the upgraded R-1 calipers.
I tried the FJR m/c which is a 15mm and it was better.
I now have the FZ-1 m/c which is a 14mm piston and I like it the best. The smaller piston needs a longer stroke to move the equal amount of fluid and this longer stroke gives a better feel to the lever at threshold.
Put on the calipers first, then try your oem m/c and see how it feels. You might be happy with that.
If you want better modulation, bypass the FJR (15mm) m/c and go straight for a 14 mm m/c
The 14mm m/c is a popular size used by several different manufacturers, so you don't necessarily need to get a Yamaha m/c.
This is my opinion based on my experience. Your mileage may vary.
I do want to try one of those new fangled radial m/c's....
...but I just can't get over the idea of spending all day looking at a urine cup.
That's great information, now I understand how it works. Just working on the headlight relays right now, not pretty but at least it's going to be hidden. Then upgrade the front brake lines then change the calipers. As you said, I'll see how it feels with the stock M/C and go from there. Thanks for the info.
Mark
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 07, 2014, 11:05:46 PM
Hi Mark, yes the non radial blue/gold/polka dots bolt right on your '93 fork legs.
The master cylinder (m/c) you have on your '93 has a piston diameter of 5/8" (16mm)
If you look closely you can see the 5/8 cast on the body of the m/c.
Many folks continue to use the stock master cylinder and see no problem with doing so...
Personally, I don't like it the wooden feel of the stock m/c when used with the upgraded R-1 calipers.
I tried the FJR m/c which is a 15mm and it was better.
I now have the FZ-1 m/c which is a 14mm piston and I like it the best. The smaller piston needs a longer stroke to move the equal amount of fluid and this longer stroke gives a better feel to the lever at threshold.
Put on the calipers first, then try your oem m/c and see how it feels. You might be happy with that.
If you want better modulation, bypass the FJR (15mm) m/c and go straight for a 14 mm m/c
The 14mm m/c is a popular size used by several different manufacturers, so you don't necessarily need to get a Yamaha m/c.
This is my opinion based on my experience. Your mileage may vary.
I do want to try one of those new fangled radial m/c's....
...but I just can't get over the idea of spending all day looking at a urine cup.
Just carve a coffin shaped reservoir out of a block of AL and fashion a mount to the bar!