Forgive me if this has been asked before; I did a somewhat quick search and didn't find anything. I would really like to have a clock on my bike, and while there's some pretty cheap add-on LED clocks on eBay, I'm considering just swapping in a newer FJ cluster with the clock built in. Other than the harness probably being different to accommodate power, ground and memory for the clock, are the clusters the same?
Almost but not quite. I fitted an instrument panel from a '93 model to my '85 about two years ago. The newer model is a slightly different shape. The shape change occurred from '86 onwards. I did a small amount of re-shaping with a 4" grinder. Some of the outer plastic housing near the mounting points needs to be removed.
I also fitted it because of the inbuilt clock. Worth doing if you don't mind a bit of playing around to get it right. Regards, Pete.
Thanks for the info oldktmdude. Now that I think about it, I wonder if I couldn't just swap the fuel gauge into my existing housing? Kind of an expensive clock, but I think it's worth it in the end.
The clock unit is actually a separate unit to the fuel gauge. Your existing instrument panel probably won't have the mounting points moulded into it.
Quote from: oldktmdude on June 27, 2013, 10:02:46 PM
The clock unit is actually a separate unit to the fuel gauge. Your existing instrument panel probably won't have the mounting points moulded into it.
And that's why they created epoxy :biggrin:
My 86 has a clock. That should be the same shape as the 85 cluster, shouldn't it?
I fitted an 89 cluster into my 84 when it had the original fairing,no hassle with fitment, I also think the actual 84 gauge housing may have mounting points for the clock, don't have it to check though
Quote from: fj11.5 on June 27, 2013, 11:02:01 PM
I fitted an 89 cluster into my 84 when it had the original fairing,no hassle with fitment, I also think the actual 84 gauge housing may have mounting points for the clock, don't have it to check though
According to Boats.net part numbers for the pre '86 and '86 and later, rear instrument housings are different. Going on my experience, the panels are slightly different.
They certainly could be mate,I'm just going from memory, since my op a year or so back, everythings slightly different :biggrin:, even food tastes better, but that's not allways a good thing :lol:
Quote from: JPaganel on June 27, 2013, 10:11:18 PM
My 86 has a clock. That should be the same shape as the 85 cluster, shouldn't it?
Well I'll find out soon enough, just bought the one I found on eBay. It's from an 87 and sure looks like my 84. The bezel/lens is cracked, but I really just want the clock and tach along with the trip meter reset and boot, all of which I should be able to swap into my existing cluster.
Got the cluster today. It's off an 87 and appears to be identical to my 84, except of course for the clock and 165 MPH speedo. So that brings up my next question: I'd like to just swap out the guts to retain my current mileage, but since mine is a 155 MPH speedo I'm wondering if the drive gears different. Does anyone know? I checked boats.net and don't see anything listed for speedometer to compare part numbers.
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 01, 2013, 06:44:20 PM
Got the cluster today. It's off an 87 and appears to be identical to my 84, except of course for the clock and 165 MPH speedo. So that brings up my next question: I'd like to just swap out the guts to retain my current mileage, but since mine is a 155 MPH speedo I'm wondering if the drive gears different. Does anyone know? I checked boats.net and don't see anything listed for speedometer to compare part numbers.
My 86' has an 85' speedo, I think the face plate can swap but you need to make sure that 50 mph is in the same place on both, if not then deal with it. I swapped a few parts to make it work but it can be done.
By drive gears do you mean, the speedo drive at the wheel, they may have changed when fj,s went from 16" to 17" front wheel, but won't put your speed out by much
Quote from: fj11.5 on July 02, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
By drive gears do you mean, the speedo drive at the wheel, they may have changed when fj,s went from 16" to 17" front wheel, but won't put your speed out by much
Yup, that's the gear I was talking about. I'm going to see if I can compare the old speedo with my GPS before I swap it and see what happens afterwards.
At 100kph (62.1mph) there is only 1/5 of a revolution of the front wheel difference between the 16 and 17" wheels with stock 120/80x16" and 120/70x17" tires fitted.
They are, for all practical purposes, the same overall diameter.
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on July 02, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
At 100kph (62.1mph) there is only 1/5 of a revolution of the front wheel difference between the 16 and 17" wheels with stock 120/80x16" and 120/70x17" tires fitted.
They are, for all practical purposes, the same overall diameter.
Arnie
Wow, good info Arnie, thanks! However that's still assuming the front gear is the same for both size tires. I think I'm going to call a Yamaha dealer today and check part numbers just for the heck of it.
I got irritated enough to check the numbers myself. Lots of online parts sellers have the XPDs and numbers, and prices online.
While the prefix is different between an '86 and a '92 speedo gear unit, the part number is the same 25190.
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on July 03, 2013, 11:05:40 AM
I got irritated enough to check the numbers myself. Lots of online parts sellers have the XPDs and numbers, and prices online.
While the prefix is different between an '86 and a '92 speedo gear unit, the part number is the same 25190.
Arnie
lol. I called Yamaha and they confirmed it's the same gear for many years. Unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong about the clusters being physically the same. So out comes the Dremel and expoxy!
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 03, 2013, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: Arnie on July 03, 2013, 11:05:40 AM
I got irritated enough to check the numbers myself. Lots of online parts sellers have the XPDs and numbers, and prices online.
While the prefix is different between an '86 and a '92 speedo gear unit, the part number is the same 25190.
Arnie
lol. I called Yamaha and they confirmed it's the same gear for many years. Unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong about the clusters being physically the same. So out comes the Dremel and expoxy!
Is this where I say "I told you so". It doesn't take alot of re-shaping to get it to fit. Even when you get it to fit, there may be a slight gap between the fairing panel and the instrument cluster. Some thin sticky-backed foam strip will seal the gap. :i_am_so_happy: Pete.
Quote from: oldktmdude on July 03, 2013, 05:25:45 PM
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 03, 2013, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: Arnie on July 03, 2013, 11:05:40 AM
I got irritated enough to check the numbers myself. Lots of online parts sellers have the XPDs and numbers, and prices online.
While the prefix is different between an '86 and a '92 speedo gear unit, the part number is the same 25190.
Arnie
lol. I called Yamaha and they confirmed it's the same gear for many years. Unfortunately I couldn't have been more wrong about the clusters being physically the same. So out comes the Dremel and expoxy!
Is this where I say "I told you so". It doesn't take alot of re-shaping to get it to fit. Even when you get it to fit, there may be a slight gap between the fairing panel and the instrument cluster. Some thin sticky-backed foam strip will seal the gap. :i_am_so_happy: Pete.
Ha, I was waiting for that! I will have to make the tach and clock work in my existing cluster. The lens on the one I bought is too cracked to be used (I knew that going into it). My assumption was that I'd just have to modify my lens to accommodate for the set time buttons.
Well I'm happy to say that I was able to successfully swap the clock and tach into my existing housing. I relocated what I'm guessing may be the voltage regulator for the cluster to the outside of the housing, and with the clock epoxied to the tach it fit just fine. There's even a spot already there for the time adjustment piece. While things were apart, I upgraded all of the bulbs to LED's I had already bought. So with everything in place, I decided that it would be too much of a pain to adjust the clock if I didn't drill some holes for the little knobs to stick through. I drilled into the black bezel with no issues, then used the bezel mounted in place to mark where I needed to drill the outside lens. The first hole was perfect, but then as the battery in my drill started to die I over compensated on the second hole, and my worst fear was realized. Yup, I cracked my lens. It's still usable, but I'll want to replace it. Anyone got one for sale? Cheap lol?
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 03, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Well I'm happy to say that I was able to successfully swap the clock and tach into my existing housing. I relocated what I'm guessing may be the voltage regulator for the cluster to the outside of the housing, and with the clock epoxied to the tach it fit just fine. There's even a spot already there for the time adjustment piece. While things were apart, I upgraded all of the bulbs to LED's I had already bought. So with everything in place, I decided that it would be too much of a pain to adjust the clock if I didn't drill some holes for the little knobs to stick through. I drilled into the black bezel with no issues, then used the bezel mounted in place to mark where I needed to drill the outside lens. The first hole was perfect, but then as the battery in my drill started to die I over compensated on the second hole, and my worst fear was realized. Yup, I cracked my lens. It's still usable, but I'll want to replace it. Anyone got one for sale? Cheap lol?
Paul, that "voltage regulator" that you moved, is an over rev limiter. It sits behind the fuel gauge assembly on '84 and '85 models. It could possibly be removed completely but don't quote me on that. Maybe somebody else on here can advise you if and how it can be done. If you've already got an alternate mounting position, best leave it be. Pete.
Quote from: oldktmdude on July 03, 2013, 11:59:58 PM
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 03, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Well I'm happy to say that I was able to successfully swap the clock and tach into my existing housing. I relocated what I'm guessing may be the voltage regulator for the cluster to the outside of the housing, and with the clock epoxied to the tach it fit just fine. There's even a spot already there for the time adjustment piece. While things were apart, I upgraded all of the bulbs to LED's I had already bought. So with everything in place, I decided that it would be too much of a pain to adjust the clock if I didn't drill some holes for the little knobs to stick through. I drilled into the black bezel with no issues, then used the bezel mounted in place to mark where I needed to drill the outside lens. The first hole was perfect, but then as the battery in my drill started to die I over compensated on the second hole, and my worst fear was realized. Yup, I cracked my lens. It's still usable, but I'll want to replace it. Anyone got one for sale? Cheap lol?
Paul, that "voltage regulator" that you moved, is an over rev limiter. It sits behind the fuel gauge assembly on '84 and '85 models. It could possibly be removed completely but don't quote me on that. Maybe somebody else on here can advise you if and how it can be done. If you've already got an alternate mounting position, best leave it be. Pete.
oldktmdude, thanks for clarifying what it was that I relocated. I'm fine with where it's at so will leave it be.
Quote from: Paul1965 on July 03, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
Well I'm happy to say that I was able to successfully swap the clock and tach into my existing housing. I relocated what I'm guessing may be the voltage regulator for the cluster to the outside of the housing, and with the clock epoxied to the tach it fit just fine. There's even a spot already there for the time adjustment piece. While things were apart, I upgraded all of the bulbs to LED's I had already bought. So with everything in place, I decided that it would be too much of a pain to adjust the clock if I didn't drill some holes for the little knobs to stick through. I drilled into the black bezel with no issues, then used the bezel mounted in place to mark where I needed to drill the outside lens. The first hole was perfect, but then as the battery in my drill started to die I over compensated on the second hole, and my worst fear was realized. Yup, I cracked my lens. It's still usable, but I'll want to replace it. Anyone got one for sale? Cheap lol?
Anyone have links to replacement LED lights that would be drop in replacements for the instrument cluster?? (I have a 1989 FJ1200)
Quote from: iMav on July 04, 2013, 10:07:27 AM
Anyone have links to replacement LED lights that would be drop in replacements for the instrument cluster?? (I have a 1989 FJ1200)
I can't find an exact link to the ones I bought, but they're identical to these. Please note the red ones are quite tall but shouldn't pose any clearance issues on your gauges like they did on mine. I had to trim about 1/4" off the clear plastic "light guide" that's part of the speedometer. I don't think your gauges have the guides though.
These are for the gauges: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2x-Xenon-T10-Wedge-9-SMD-5050-LED-Light-bulbs-192-168-194-W5W-2825-158-Red-/321140588098?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac5787e42&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2x-Xenon-T10-Wedge-9-SMD-5050-LED-Light-bulbs-192-168-194-W5W-2825-158-Red-/321140588098?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac5787e42&vxp=mtr)
These are for the warning lights: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2x-Xenon-T10-Wedge-5-SMD-5050-LED-Light-bulbs-192-168-194-W5W-2825-158-White-/221238397204?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item3382d60914 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-2x-Xenon-T10-Wedge-5-SMD-5050-LED-Light-bulbs-192-168-194-W5W-2825-158-White-/221238397204?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item3382d60914)