OK - That sounds a silly topic, but I can't suss out how to use the stands on the FJ (1991 3XW)
Let me explain - the bike was bought as a combination outfit, so obviously didn't need a stand - when I got it, I was given a bag of bits that where removed when it was converted.
I've now temporarily split the outfit, so I've got a solo again :) However I have the sidestand and spring, but can't see how the spring mounts to the bike - the original bolt appears to be missing, would it have hooked on there?
No problem I thought, the centre stand is still present, I can use that..... Can I get the bike up onto it, not a cat in hells - is there a technique special to this bike of hoisting it onto the main stand or have I got something else wrong ?
Cheers.
,, The side stand has a oval shape mounting point for the spring to clip onto that goes behind the actual bolt that holds the stand on, like a washer with an extra bit :scratch_one-s_head:,, unless the center stand is wired up zip tied or? ? Usual technique is place all your weight on the pedal / foot standy on thing :biggrin: and heave the beasty with an up and back motion,, easier than it sounds,,I know a moron that used to actually lift the bike as much as he could, and then try and push the stand down to get the bike to sit on it :lol:,, let him do this for months on the cb900 bol,dor, one day I said can I have a turn,I weighed 55kg at the time and had no probs getting my 250 on the c stand,he laughed and said there's no way in hell if he couldn't do it without breaking a sweat I had no chance,, walked up to the ol bike, lifted her off the side stand, stood on the c st and gently rocked he back in one easy movement :mocking:, turned around and he'd gone inside muttering something about me being a smart arse little prick :lol:,, he never used the center stand again, even lubed the chain by rolling the bike, spray lube, roll some more :shok:
Sussed out that the bike is a heavier lump than I was expecting - managed to heave it onto the main stand. It looks a lot smaller than my 'big one' (CB1000), but needs a lot more hoisting onto the stand.
Thanks for the sidestand info, the bolt and washer thing are missing - so another bit for the shopping list.
Open this link. the photo shows the spring attaches to #6 and the side stand.
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1991/FJ1200B/STAND+-+FOOTREST/parts.html (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1991/FJ1200B/STAND+-+FOOTREST/parts.html)
Fred
Ill have a look, may have the bolt and spring mount, if you can't find one locally
Ok,if you have no luck finding the spring mount, I have at least two of them, probably the washer also and if I looked again most likely the bolt and lock tab washer too
Quote from: reggit on May 29, 2013, 05:24:14 PM
I've now temporarily split the outfit, so I've got a solo again :) ...
Cheers.
Hey Reggit did that outfit have leading link forks by any chance? Expensive to ship I know but I`ve always got an eye out for a set..
Lol I wont lie the first time I went to use the center stand I was like man got to lift a 500 pound bike but I looked at it a little closer and was like I know this is easier. The problem I do have is when she is in the garage and the slick floor makes my life more difficult.
Quote from: VaughanCustoms on May 30, 2013, 07:26:52 AM
Lol I wont lie the first time I went to use the center stand I was like man got to lift a 500 pound bike but I looked at it a little closer and was like I know this is easier. The problem I do have is when she is in the garage and the slick floor makes my life more difficult.
Once you get the technique it's a lot easier. I've been lifting bikes for decades but my back doesn't like it anymore.
I made this a few years back, just run the wheel onto it (it has a stop) and then it just about falls back onto the stand itself. I can even do it in bare feet.
With the handle I don't even have to bend over to move it.
It's made so it bites the concrete when the wheel hits it. The first model shot out from the wheel.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8402234836_ddb709c633.jpg)
Nifty little gadget noel, that could save a lot of backs :good2:,, I noticed the day I fiitted the f4i shock that effie pretty much fell onto the center stand, due to the rear wheel now almost touching the deck, guess if someone was keen they could raise the stand mounts :scratch_one-s_head:..
Rod,
ps, don't mind me I'm :morning1: tired
Nice thats a great idea.
Not sure I get the issue / problem with putting the bike on the centre stand. My '92 no longer has a centre stand thanks to the FZR swingarm mod but I sure do miss it. I had it on my '86 and never had a problem getting the bike up on the centre stand - and I'm not a big guy (just ask my wife). It's all about technique. If you find the stand is sliding along the concrete when you're trying to get the bike up on the stand, then you are doing something wrong. And unless you're back is already out of whack, it should not strain that either. I did a quick search on Youtube and found this how-to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFd9IynVEIc
The only thing that I do differently is I don't grab the front brake when setting the bike up on the centre stand feet and when I take the bike off the center stand I then have both hands on the handlebars and simply walk the bike forward, covering the front brake lever.
Zwartie
Quote from: The General on May 30, 2013, 03:42:06 AM
Quote from: reggit on May 29, 2013, 05:24:14 PM
I've now temporarily split the outfit, so I've got a solo again :) ...
Cheers.
Hey Reggit did that outfit have leading link forks by any chance? Expensive to ship I know but I`ve always got an eye out for a set..
Unfortunately not - I've got my eye out for a set as well.
Quote from: Zwartie on May 30, 2013, 10:59:40 AM
Not sure I get the issue / problem with putting the bike on the centre stand. My '92 no longer has a centre stand thanks to the FZR swingarm mod but I sure do miss it. I had it on my '86 and never had a problem getting the bike up on the centre stand - and I'm not a big guy (just ask my wife). It's all about technique. If you find the stand is sliding along the concrete when you're trying to get the bike up on the stand, then you are doing something wrong. And unless you're back is already out of whack, it should not strain that either. I did a quick search on Youtube and found this how-to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFd9IynVEIc
The only thing that I do differently is I don't grab the front brake when setting the bike up on the centre stand feet and when I take the bike off the center stand I then have both hands on the handlebars and simply walk the bike forward, covering the front brake lever.
Zwartie
I don't get it either - not matter how much I try, I can't get this bike up onto it's stand. My others are no issue, and my CB is a physically bigger bike and that's no hassle to lift up.
:flag_of_truce: This is obvious to most on here, but make sure you are using the side lifting point and not the rear grab handles to put it on the center stand. I didn't realize there was a side point until I had the seat off and could see it. Using the rear grab handle to raise it really sucks......
Jerry
I've seen a guy do just that nova, be an easy way to drop the bike too :shok:
I never realized that the handles were for putting the bike on the center stand....I thought they were passenger grab handles.... I just put my foot on the center stand foot thing and pull the bike back by the handle bars. what a bunch of sissies! :drinks: just kidding, when I first got my fj I remember thinking," holy shit this thing is heavy" its probably a little easier for me though because im 6'6" 270lbs. more leverage and weight.
That could make some difference :biggrin:,, I usually weigh 70-73 kg umm 158-pounds? At 5' 8" and that's after lunch :lol:
Quote from: HARTLESS on May 30, 2013, 06:00:28 PM
I never realized that the handles were for putting the bike on the center stand....I thought they were passenger grab handles....
They are passenger grab handles...................There is also a lift handle under the left side of the seat. The left side panel has a cutout where you put your hand while you are lifting the bike onto the centerstand..................
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab154/firehawk068/P5300003_zps7be4210f.jpg) (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/firehawk068/media/P5300003_zps7be4210f.jpg.html)
That may technically be a passenger grab handle but in reality that's a real shitty place for a passenger to hold onto during a ride - unless you don't mind their helmet banging into the back of yours everytime you come to a stop. The only thing worse would be the vinyl strap that the old '70's era bikes had running between the rider and passenger seat. That was a real quality item!
Quote from: Zwartie on May 31, 2013, 09:09:44 AM
That may technically be a passenger grab handle but in reality that's a real shitty place for a passenger to hold onto during a ride - unless you don't mind their helmet banging into the back of yours everytime you come to a stop. The only thing worse would be the vinyl strap that the old '70's era bikes had running between the rider and passenger seat. That was a real quality item!
When the love of my life rides on the back with me, it doesn't matter where she is holding on to, the amount of scratches on the back of my helmet increases significantly after every ride! :dash1:
Quote from: HARTLESS on May 31, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
When the love of my life rides on the back with me, it doesn't matter where she is holding on to, the amount of scratches on the back of my helmet increases significantly after every ride! :dash1:
Sure hope your wife doesn't find out! :shok:
My wife is a great passenger. The only time her helmet hits mine is when she starts nodding off. That only tends to happen when we've been riding all day.
Quote from: HARTLESS on May 31, 2013, 10:03:27 AM
When the love of my life rides on the back with me, it doesn't matter where she is holding on to, the amount of scratches on the back of my helmet increases significantly after every ride! :dash1:
That used to happen all the time to me and the Mrs, that is until I got a new shock. Now when we take off from a stop and shift from 1st to 2nd, our helmets no longer bump. :good2:
CraigO
I like the helmet bump, it means I'm with one of my kids and we're enjoying the ride together! On the center stand... yes, using the hidden grab rail is a must. Also - my center stand holes were worn oblong and that messed up all sorts of geometry (heavy lifting). I saw much improvement after filling the ovals with weld and making them round again.
Quote from: Zwartie on May 31, 2013, 11:37:53 AM
My wife is a great passenger. The only time her helmet hits mine is when she starts nodding off.
Hahahahahahahaa...my wife 'nods off' once we are up and running again after a late morning/early afternoon meal :boredom: :morning2:
...and she is a great pillion too :good:
John.
My girlfriend is too nervous to nod off....she likes riding but has anxiety. Sometimes I wonder if the helmet bump is her telling me she is there and to slow down....i usually speed up :sarcastic:
Quote from: Dads_FJ on May 31, 2013, 12:44:25 PM
Also - my center stand holes were worn oblong and that messed up all sorts of geometry (heavy lifting). I saw much improvement after filling the ovals with weld and making them round again.
I have that problem with my side stand. It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride. I bought a rare earth magnet to help keep it in place. My center stand spring is worn and it too flaps about and drags prematurely when I corner hard. I ordered some magnets to help that problem too. Will let you know how that works out.
CraigO
Quote from: craigo on May 31, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
"... It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride..."
CraigO
We're still talking about the side stand, right? Otherwise you may want to see your doctor.
:biggrin:
Quote from: Zwartie on May 31, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: craigo on May 31, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
"... It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride..."
CraigO
We're still talking about the side stand, right? Otherwise you may want to see your doctor.
:biggrin:
:rofl:
Quote from: Dads_FJ on May 31, 2013, 01:33:57 PM
Quote from: Zwartie on May 31, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: craigo on May 31, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
"... It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride..."
CraigO
We're still talking about the side stand, right? Otherwise you may want to see your doctor.
:biggrin:
Yeah, maybe your right :pardon:
CraigO
:rofl:
Quote from: Zwartie on May 31, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: craigo on May 31, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
"... It's oblonged out and flops about when I ride..."
CraigO
We're still talking about the side stand, right? Otherwise you may want to see your doctor.
:biggrin:
This is what I was talking about. Check out my centerstand almost dragging in this pic.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/564460_10200970109439113_971020412_n.jpg)
Is that not right? Side stand is just as bad...
CraigO
Mine is a pig to get on the centre stand too, I can do it just but arm protests for a day or so afterwards :cray:
Technique on the foot rocker is key but check the rocker plates where the stand meets the floor too.......mine have flattened out over time so the stand doesn't move smoothly on it's contact point with the floor. I'll be cutting them off and replacing with some properly shaped heavier steel shortly, may just shorten the stand slightly too, there seems plenty clearance at back wheel when it's on it so should make life easier. May be worth checking suspension hasn't been lowered too? I guess the length of adjustable rear suspension links if fitted could affect it?
Ahhh. the center stand conundrum :)
I hope some people catch this suggestion and put it to good use. Years ago I was hit and miss on standing up an XS750, not exactly lightweight and either am I. Some times I'd get it on the third try, sometimes just give up before I dropped it.
Then my friend who is well into his 60's and only weighs 140 pounds soaking wet showed me he could put it up every time.
I don't call it technique. I use visualization.
Here's the visualization --- Ever dug with a spade into hard ground? Firm, steady pressure driving down with your foot on the spade.
Your arms aren't really contributing to the driving force, just keeping you balanced. (If you dig with your arms in ground you're a twit, but that's another discussion.)
OK, at least be wearing shoes with a sturdy sole. Riding boots are better. Because it's all about applying pressure through the foot.
Take a stance that keeps you comfortably balanced when your left foot is on the stand.
I mean space your feet out like you normally would if you had to keep the left foot on the stand for several minutes while talking to a buddy. Same as if one foot was on a spade and one on the ground.
Place your left hand on the left grip, your right hand under the grab loop. Sole of your left boot on the stand.
Now THIS IS IMPORTANT ---- RELAX YOUR GRIP. They are only for balance and you'll screw up using them for anything else.
We're not going to pull back with the left hand and we're not going to lift with the right hand.
My left hand is no tighter than if I was riding. On the right might I could probably put your fingers under mine and you'd survive the ordeal.
Start the foot drive down on the stand under steady control, not jerky. Picture yourself pushing that stand down through the road and ignore the idea of lifting a heavy object. Leave your hands out of the equation. The bike is going to react and arc up and back.
BMW has huge touring bikes with electric center stands strong enough to lift with two passengers. Obviously there is no way the stand can "Lift" the bike with a force from above. It can only push down, and up the BMW moves "away" from the stand in reaction.
Quote from: Charlie-brm on June 05, 2013, 09:12:37 AM
Ahhh. the center stand conundrum :)
I hope some people catch this suggestion and put it to good use. Years ago I was hit and miss on standing up an XS750, not exactly lightweight and either am I. Some times I'd get it on the third try, sometimes just give up before I dropped it.
Then my friend who is well into his 60's and only weighs 140 pounds soaking wet showed me he could put it up every time.
I don't call it technique. I use visualization.
Here's the visualization --- Ever dug with a spade into hard ground? Firm, steady pressure driving down with your foot on the spade.
Your arms aren't really contributing to the driving force, just keeping you balanced. (If you dig with your arms in ground you're a twit, but that's another discussion.)
OK, at least be wearing shoes with a sturdy sole. Riding boots are better. Because it's all about applying pressure through the foot.
Take a stance that keeps you comfortably balanced when your left foot is on the stand.
I mean space your feet out like you normally would if you had to keep the left foot on the stand for several minutes while talking to a buddy. Same as if one foot was on a spade and one on the ground.
Place your left hand on the left grip, your right hand under the grab loop. Sole of your left boot on the stand.
Now THIS IS IMPORTANT ---- RELAX YOUR GRIP. They are only for balance and you'll screw up using them for anything else.
We're not going to pull back with the left hand and we're not going to lift with the right hand.
My left hand is no tighter than if I was riding. On the right might I could probably put your fingers under mine and you'd survive the ordeal.
Start the foot drive down on the stand under steady control, not jerky. Picture yourself pushing that stand down through the road and ignore the idea of lifting a heavy object. Leave your hands out of the equation. The bike is going to react and arc up and back.
BMW has huge touring bikes with electric center stands strong enough to lift with two passengers. Obviously there is no way the stand can "Lift" the bike with a force from above. It can only push down, and up the BMW moves "away" from the stand in reaction.
OK, I really like that analogy / visualization. You put it into simple terms that anyone should be able to understand. As a motorcycle riding instructor I'm teaching / showing new riders how to put their "massive" 125 cc motorcycles up onto the center stand and they typically try to pull, lift or drag the bike back onto the stand unsuccessfully the first time. I am going to incorporate some of the key points of your visualization method the next time round and don't worry; I will take full credit for it! :good2:
Thanks,
Zwartie
You're already living in one of the flattest parts of Ontario Ben. How could I avenge your transgression anymore? LOL.
P.S. Your signature seems to acknowledge that already.
Quote from: Charlie-brm on June 05, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
You're already living in one of the flattest parts of Ontario Ben. How could I avenge your transgression anymore? LOL.
P.S. Your signature seems to acknowledge that already.
That's why I don't need a center stand on my bike - after a couple thousand miles on a set of tires it will stand up on its own.
sigh...
Well I fixed the side stand flopping about..... (yeah, I know I should see a doctor about that)
I used a 35lb pull magnet used for an antenna base. It's a little over 2" in diameter and I used a self tapping screw and drilled it into the footpeg bracket just under the shifter. Now the side stand stays pinned to the side of the bike.
If interested, I'll post pics....
CraigO
Post pics,just include a warning about any visible floppiness :biggrin:
Quote from: fj11.5 on June 08, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
Post pics,just include a warning about any visible floppiness :biggrin:
Nothing flopping around here anymore, move along now..... :blush:
This is the disk, around $15 on Ebay for 5 of them. Going to use another one to keep the center stand from flopping about as well. Need the link, let me know...
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/976/dscf2072t.jpg)
I used a self tapping screw through the center of the disk and attached it below the shifter. I also JB Welded another strong magnet to the side stand. Keeps it nice and tight against the frame.
I hope this helps anyone with the same issue.
CraigO
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9653/picture004ja.jpg)
Cool, cheaper than a new stand, , mine was that bad it actually moved even with the weight of the bike on it, yes, my hole was flogged out :blush: :biggrin: