What did I do today?, Proved my FJ is an 87' not an 89', I posted a question on changing my rear tire to a 17" rather than a 16"... And was told my bike was not a 87', But indeed was a 89', After post a pic of the sticker under the head light, they said the tag had been tampered with and to check the stamped vin on the frame, So?, this morning went out to the garage and took of the necessary parts, took a pic, and verified that they matched, :yahoo: and woo hoo, they match, my bike is most certainly is a 87'
Quote from: crzyjarmans on May 04, 2013, 12:09:26 PM
What did I do today?, Proved my FJ is an 87' not an 89', I posted a question on changing my rear tire to a 17" rather than a 16"... And was told my bike was not a 87', But indeed was a 89', After post a pic of the sticker under the head light, they said the tag had been tampered with and to check the stamped vin on the frame, So?, this morning went out to the garage and took of the necessary parts, took a pic, and verified that they matched, :yahoo: and woo hoo, they match, my bike is most certainly is a 87'
I'm gonna try to be nice.
What you were told was actually this:
Quote from: not a lib on April 27, 2013, 08:46:23 AM
That tag appears to have been tampered with.
Try removing the inner fairing panel and see what the number is there.
What you have now proved is that you apparently have an '87 frame with a whole shitload of '89 parts hung on it.
The tag still looks tampered, FWIW. :pardon:
Quote from: not a lib on May 04, 2013, 02:50:40 PM
What you have now proved is that you apparently have an '87 frame with a whole shitload of '89 parts hung on it.
It would seem that the PO suffered from a case of '89 envy. :-)
Actually this is what I was originally told
Shawn,
I just noticed that you refer to your bike as an 87'. I remember the photo of your bike in you introduction thread. The bike in the photo is a 89', possibly a Canadian or European 88'. You definitely do not have a 87'.
Fred
He said "you definitely do not have a 87'", But, I wasn't trying to be nasty, just having fun, If I have offended anyone?, my apologies
The tag may have been falling off, and the P/O tried to stick it back on?, this is just a guess, as I have had this happen to me on an old bike use to have
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start a sh**storm. :flag_of_truce: All I was trying to say was that by all appearances the bike looked like an 89'. Wheels, forks, brakes and all the plastic and fairings. The PO spent big dollars to make an 87' look like an 89'.
Fred
Yep that's so 89 looking in my book. The only 87 I've ever seen is Mr Beans with the red and white paint scheme the reverse of my 86. The front fairing is structurally the same looking, i.e. smaller scoops and more angular around the front blinkers.
Your fairing is of the bigger, wider type that the 89 onwards had.
Whether its built of 89 parts hung on an 87 frame, I can't see that matters at all.
Remember; if it goes right, it is right.
Fwiw mine in the pic is actually an 84 ,easily enough changed to look like an 89 ,out of neccessity at the time
Quote from: aviationfred on May 04, 2013, 04:35:43 PMThe PO spent big dollars to make an 87' look like an 89'.
Fred
I can think of at least one more likely scenario, but I'm all out of give-a-shit. :boredom:
Quote from: not a lib on May 04, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on May 04, 2013, 04:35:43 PMThe PO spent big dollars to make an 87' look like an 89'.
Fred
I can think of at least one more likely scenario, but I'm all out of give-a-shit. :boredom:
Seems hinky to me too, Randy!
Glad it's not mine!
Leon
Quote from: aviationfred on May 04, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start a sh**storm. :flag_of_truce: All I was trying to say was that by all appearances the bike looked like an 89'. Wheels, forks, brakes and all the plastic and fairings. The PO spent big dollars to make an 87' look like an 89'.
Fred
No apology needed Fred, I wasn't upset with you, As I am new to these style of bike's, and when you made me aware of the difference between the years, I got a little nervous that I was scammed, and possibly had a stolen bike or something, I was relieved when the VIN Stamped on the frame matched the VIN on the sticker, Now I can keep the bike, If the VIN hadn't matched, I would have to contact law enforcement to check if they had a stolen motorcycle report with that VIN number
Shawn good to hear that the numbers match. Also good news that you know some of the parts are off of a newer model, this could save the problems later. Have fun and enjoy.
Kurt
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on May 05, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
Shawn good to hear that the numbers match. Also good news that you know some of the parts are off of a newer model, this could save the problems later. Have fun and enjoy.
Kurt
Saw this after posting (above).
http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/3242_04_05_13_9_50_37.jpeg (http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/3242_04_05_13_9_50_37.jpeg)
This IMO, was not done at the factory. This was hand stamped, IMO. I am not saying there is anything wrong or illegal, but after working in motorcycle shops for over ten years. Seeing more VIN# than I care to count. In my opinion this an 89 not an 87.
Kurt
if it has a fuel pump and dog bones its a 89, well now at least.
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on May 05, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on May 05, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
Shawn good to hear that the numbers match. Also good news that you know some of the parts are off of a newer model, this could save the problems later. Have fun and enjoy.
Kurt
Saw this after posting (above).
http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/3242_04_05_13_9_50_37.jpeg (http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/3242_04_05_13_9_50_37.jpeg)
This IMO, was not done at the factory. This was hand stamped, IMO. I am not saying there is anything wrong or illegal, but after working in motorcycle shops for over ten years. Seeing more VIN# than I care to count. In my opinion this an 89 not an 87.
Kurt
Not that it maters but I agree. I use to do a lot of "rebuilds" back in the day and got very acquainted with tags, VIN's, VIN locations, titles, build plates etc..
Optimistically it wouldn't be all that uncommon to pick up a frame with no title and make it jive with
a title. I am not saying its legal but it happens. I thought the same thing when I seen how it was stamped.
Been down this road also with street rods. If you have an old frame with no title, you can call for an inspection, they will check it for stolen etc. and if it passes inspection then they stamp an Idaho VIN on it and issue a title. It is a little more complicated than that, but that's the rough procedure. The last one I did took about 6 months and 3 inspections. When done my frame and body had a State of Idaho issued (and stamped) VIN number and a reconstructed title.
George
Quote from: crzyjarmans on May 04, 2013, 04:15:21 PM
The tag may have been falling off, and the P/O tried to stick it back on?, this is just a guess, as I have had this happen to me on an old bike used to have.
More logs for the fire.... I pressure washed my son's CRF50 a few years back. The graphics floated right off. I stuck them back on as best I could, and once dry were ~impossible to remove again, but they did look a bit like your sticker.
I am curious, to Mark's point, whether it has a fuel pump and dog bones. That, in conjunction with the other things previously mentioned would mean that either; something is really hinky, or someone took an '87 frame and grafted on
everything else from an '89. I am not sure why someone would do this.
Regarding the VIN stamped on the frame, they are definitely not lined up as you might expect from the factory; concerning. Can anyone else look at their (preferably '87 or '89) VIN and see if they are perfectly straight and lined up, or do the numbers float around a bit, as is in the picture below?
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/12_06_05_13_1_35_33.jpeg)
Dan
This is some weird stuff. First thing I thought was, 'missing title, found a frame with title to transplant bike to'.
They didn't make bikes that look like yours in '87, though, so there's definitely a story here.
It could just be a factory glitch, though, guys. Shit happens. My last bike had a factory misprint on the VIN--two number stamped on top of each other, a 3 and a 4. For the title, they just picked one. (Turns out the picked the wrong one, and that gave me hell crossing the border into Mexico, but that's another story.)
Maybe the funny line-up is just further evidence of that.
Then again, how would '87 get on the title if the bike wasn't sold until at least late '88? I've never purchased a new vehicle, does the title come with the year model or the year sold, or is it calculated off of the VIN?
Dogs, fairing mounting points will be interesting... Is there an engine number cast into the engine like there used to be on the XJ's? Non-antidive forks? Only the post-90 had a steel swingarm, so that's not relevant, right? And what size is your rear wheel after all? Anyone know a visible give-away between the 16 and 17? Or does he have to get out his measuring tape? And yes, fuel pump/carb style...
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 06, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Regarding the VIN stamped on the frame, they are definitely not lined up as you might expect from the factory; concerning. Can anyone else look at their (preferably '87 or '89) VIN and see if they are perfectly straight and lined up, or do the numbers float around a bit, as is in the picture below?
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/12_06_05_13_1_35_33.jpeg)
Dan
1990... you be the judge:
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/20130506_175444_zpsb2bd796a.jpg)
Quote from: not a lib on May 06, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Dan Filetti on May 06, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
Regarding the VIN stamped on the frame, they are definitely not lined up as you might expect from the factory; concerning. Can anyone else look at their (preferably '87 or '89) VIN and see if they are perfectly straight and lined up, or do the numbers float around a bit, as is in the picture below?
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/12_06_05_13_1_35_33.jpeg)
Dan
1990... you be the judge:
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/20130506_175444_zpsb2bd796a.jpg)
Shawns bike is a Monday morning completion bike. To much partying over the weekend and could not get the type set straight in the VIN Punch holder. :drinks: I will look at my 89' VIN tomorrow and maybe post a photo.
Fred
Quote from: fintip on May 06, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
Then again, how would '87 get on the title if the bike wasn't sold until at least late '88? I've never purchased a new vehicle, does the title come with the year model or the year sold, or is it calculated off of the VIN?
Vehicles are titled the year of manufacture, (or year model), NOT the year of sale.
I had a Harley years ago I bought new, VIN had one number not in line with the rest, Maybe? that's what happened here, there is no evidence of any other number ever stamped, is it possible to get a frame with out a VIN stamped where it belongs? on the question about the fuel pump, No fuel pump,
I had the opportunity to view the VIN yesterday on both a 1986 and a 1989 FJ. I can attest that the numbers and letters imprinted in the frame on both bikes are PERFECTLY lined up.
Sorry, no pictures. We were busy adjusting valves!
What was the verdict on the rear suspension type?
Steve
Quote from: crzyjarmans on May 07, 2013, 08:29:28 AM
is it possible to get a frame with out a VIN stamped where it belongs?
Yes, Yamaha sells frames, but the dealer is suppose to stamp your VIN# in the new frame. The dealership I worked at, required the old frame and the VIN was removed. From what I understood that was normal. Having seen VIN# stamped in frames buy the service department they looked better than this. Don't ignore all the other evidence. What numbers are on the engine? Look on top of the transmission, above where a kick starter would be. Also take a picture of the bottom shock mount, to see if has dog bones or not. Hope this helps.
Kurt
Fascinating. No fuel pump. 87 carbs.
Fun mystery indeed.
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on May 07, 2013, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: crzyjarmans on May 07, 2013, 08:29:28 AM
is it possible to get a frame with out a VIN stamped where it belongs?
Yes, Yamaha sells frames, but the dealer is suppose to stamp your VIN# in the new frame. The dealership I worked at, required the old frame and the VIN was removed. From what I understood that was normal. Having seen VIN# stamped in frames buy the service department they looked better than this. Don't ignore all the other evidence. What numbers are on the engine? Look on top of the transmission, above where a kick starter would be. Also take a picture of the bottom shock mount, to see if has dog bones or not. Hope this helps.
Kurt
Thanks Kurt, I wont Ignore any evidence, This is why I asked the question it getting a frame with out the VIN stamped was possible, maybe this weekend I check the numbers on engine and see if there are dog bones or not