Cowardly bastards, we will find them.
Thoughts and prayers?
What's that going to do apart from assuaging guilt and massaging ones ego?
Why don't you send blood instead?
Go to the Red Cross and donate.
As for finding whoever was behind it there's already a few good leads. (http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx)
Well, as a matter of fact I do regularly give blood, ya big galoot.
Besides...I can pray if I want to...you godless heathen, and yes...it does make me feel better, so there...pffft.
Bastards I hope they never see the inside of a court room!!
Curb your fascist enthusiasm there Baldy,The Rule of Law has not completely collapsed yet.
Hmm, but then again, there's always Gitmo and all the other less publicised,more secret prisons and rendition centres.
Yep, Rule of Law, good point Klavdy.
I'll bet a jelly donut that our law enforcement in America finds the Boston bomber(s) before the buffoons in Iraq finds theirs...if ever. Any takers? Klav?
Looks like the Feds have taken over in Boston so at least the death penalty is still applicable. No death penalty in the State of Mass. Then again, as a terrorist(s) life internment in Gitmo would be my second choice.
Sadly I was wondering when something like this was going to happen again. Will be interesting to see who claims responsibility for it. I have my ideas...
If they do find those responsible, there had better be an "accident" before they can be brought to court. Not worth our tax dollars to try them or toss them in Gitmo..
Quote from: Klavdy on April 15, 2013, 08:40:24 PM
Thoughts and prayers?
What's that going to do apart from assuaging guilt and massaging ones ego?
Why don't you send blood instead?
Go to the Red Cross and donate.
....... Someone already gave blood..........and at the Red Cross..........
(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u517/photocandman/passion_zps7d3f0a2a.jpg)
but it seems much easier to hate than to Love..........
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment...
Hebrews 9:27
CantlovewithoutHimman
Is that the best you can come up with?
A photo from a movie?
A fantasy?
Why don't you go and do something real?
Go give blood or volunteer to help look after the injured peoples property or pets instead of posting some puerile photo of special effects gore?
Quote....... Someone already gave blood..........and at the Red Cross..........
(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u517/photocandman/passion_zps7d3f0a2a.jpg)
but it seems much easier to hate than to Love..........
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment...
Hebrews 9:27
Canthinkformyselfman
Quote from: Klavdy on April 15, 2013, 11:07:19 PM
Is that the best you can come up with?
A photo from a movie?
A fantasy?
Why don't you go and do something real?
Go give blood or volunteer to help look after the injured peoples property or pets instead of posting some puerile photo of special effects gore?
I love you Klav......... :empathy3:
Quote from: Klavdy on April 15, 2013, 08:40:24 PM
Thoughts and prayers?
What's that going to do apart from assuaging guilt and massaging ones ego?
I've been thinking about this Klav, and as usual (from time to time) you do make me think....
I can't see how praying for someone else would be "massaging my ego".. Yes, praying for self centered things for myself would be egotistic, but not praying for someone else. Could you enlighten me?
Is it just by the act of praying to a power greater than myself, causes the act to be egotistic? I think not.
Praying to myself, thinking that I was God, yea, that would be egotistic, or praying for goodies on my Xmas list, but not when it is for someone else.
As far as "assuaging my guilt" I can't come up with anything there either... Care to help?
Should I feel guilty that I get stirred up with the bombing in Boston, yet de-sensitized by the countless bloody bombings in Iraq? I am curious as to your thoughts, my friend....and you are my friend, you big galoot.
Your point of taking meaningful action is most appropriate. Fr.Paddy always says that "faith can move a mountain...but it really helps if you bring a backhoe". Go give blood...good point.
I looked at my current Community Blood Bank statement. It seems that I have 1,138 units credited to my account. It sure builds up over the years. I am O pos. the "universal donor" so those blood suckers have my cell # on speed dial.
Still praying in Palm Desert.....(what can it hurt?). Cheers
Pat, you're a good man,this is known and this isn't about you personally, you have a greater intellectual capability than most so you no doubt see that, but the question"What's it going to do?" remains unsaid.
Who benefits?
That's o.k, prayer cant hurt.
Long as its known they are just wishes.
It's when some confuse prayer with actually doing or achieving anything (like giving blood, volunteering time) and want others to see them as somehow helping or worse, that it socially ennobles the person who is proclaiming their sincerity by offering up a prayer.
Its when those people become intolerant of their actions being questioned objectively or want recognition.
Pray all you want, but back it up with action too.
Plenty of folk quietly go about doing just that.
Anyway, it's good to think about all sides to stories and we're into quotes today by the look of things, sometimes its good to read quotes:
Here's one from Epicurus:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
F@@@ u come up with some crap Klav but all are entitled to their opinion, but no one has the right to take the life of some poor innocent.
I hope and prey they don't get to justify in court their reason for doing this buried deep so no one can find them, better still put thru a garden mulcher so nothing is found and the ANTs clean up the rest, no @@@@ing waste of money no martyrdom for the mofo's!!!!
Baldy
I think rage is the answer - and kindness.
Dear Boston Coward,
Allow me to introduce myself as we are going to get to know each other quite well. I am the rage that you unleashed by your monstrous act.
No need to get up and leave as we will be together for the rest of your life.
You see, I am all around you because you specifically asked me to be.
I am the rage that ran into your little explosion and stopped the bleeding of the wounded no matter their status in the world.
I am the rage that fearlessly faced your next explosion to treat the wounded.
I am the rage that, after running 26.2 miles, ran to the hospital to donate blood to let your victims survive regardless of their faith or lack thereof.
I am the rage that will clean up the mess you left behind. I will wash the blood stained concrete, repair the damage and allow Boston to heal until there is no evidence of your deed save for the memories.
I am the rage that will hold a child's hand and tell them that there is a life beyond your deed and the good acts of all humans will always outweigh your crime.
I am the rage that has committed to killing you with kindness so your shameful memory will be smothered by the goodwill left behind.
No matter where you go, I will be there.
Well said.
Bob W
I know many individuals who were very close to the area, some as near as 50 feet away. Thankfully none were among the physically injured. Here are the words of a former student of mine when I was working at Salem State University. Please share this with as many people and in as many places as you can.
Paul Kiernan
Because in the end the human spirit will rise and triumph. There are those who will look at love and seek to destroy it. There are those who will look at freedom, the rights of individuals and will seek to lay them low. We saw it in New York during the terrible times of September 11th. We see it now in Boston on Patriots day, Jackie Robinson day. Someone hates and decides to make that hate known, make it corporeal by destruction. That hate translates into bodies and wounds, broken hearts and wondering minds. Monetary loss to buildings, cars and streets. That hate thinks for fleeting moments; "See what I have done." But, it lasts less than a Warhol dream of fame. Because hate cannot beat out love. Hate cannot find the purchase in the soil that care and understanding can. Hate cannot be a leader for it moves in shadows with the dim heart of a coward. Hate cannot show us the way because it lives in dark and takes and takes and takes. But love gives; Hope. Blood. Comfort. Food. Love gives a reason to rise and reason to carry on. Hate simply holds it's bitter ground for a moment and then slinks away. What we see today in Boston is what we saw in New York; hate appeared, love conquered. As it always will. So if the bombs are words against people's choice, against people's rights, against harmony and understanding; Or, the bombs are against buildings and flesh and joy and pride and righteousness, the hate will be remembered only for the moment of the light, the sound, the destruction and the time it takes to regroup and care for the wounded and the lost. What lasts are, as the posts about Mr. Rogers state, the care givers, the arms that picked up a lost and confused child, the legs that carried marathoners to the blood donation tents. What lasts, what is the final image is not the hate, it is the love, the care, the human spirit that comes full on, super human, fast and furious in response to the hate. The good, the love, the care, the righteous will always be there. And in it's quiet, steady determined way, the good, the love, the right will never allow the hate any more time in the spot light than it it deserves. Enough time for everyone to see it's uselessness, it's pathetic attempts to be more than it is and it's ultimate failure. Buildings are made of mortar, steel, brick and stone. Cities are made of beating hearts, working mind, souls and the human spirit. Nothing beats the human spirit. History tells us this again and again. Do not allow the hate to take center stage. Do not allow your spirits to falter. We can, we will and must rise above this and prove, once again, that hate is no match for love.
james
My sentiments exactly. There were about 2000 Canadians in the marathon as well, and around 200 from British Columbia. I don't think any Canucks were hurt, but my thoughts and prayers go to all the injured. I hope they catch the sick bastards and hang them by their balls. Big R
You know.......Klav.....not everyone on this planet is a cynical atheist...... some may interpret your demand for action, self seeking and your righteous indignation, as drawing attention toward yourself. What have you done for the victims??? Who have you approached and offered anything???? Who made you Supreme Lord that you should command us to take action???? It's easy to tell people what to do from the other side of the world and snap at your friends ....who, like yourself, are physically unable to drop everything and run off and do something noble. Some people are noble all the time...and kind all the time...and friendly all the time.....and generous all the time........and loving all the time!!! They don't need medals or approval or a pat on the back from anybody. They just go about doing it all on their own without you or anyone else telling them what it means to be noble!! You may think that a prayer is nothing more than an attempt to vindicate ones guilt for their inability to be there and do more...but for some....that's the whole point of a prayer......asking someone up there bigger than themselves to step in and do something when they are unable or send in someone who is. You may not believe in God or prayer.....and you may be angry and bitter that a Supreme Lord and Master would allow us to inflict such unspeakable pain on each other...God created a perfect environment for all of us to grow and thrive and be happy......but our self seeking goals and ambitions have made a mess of it and we are paying the price for our own arrogance and pride......... we truly are the architects of our own demise. Maybe if we would follow the Ten Commandment's.....or spend the time to recite the Lords prayer and try to live by it .......this world wouldn't be filled with such anger and hatred and violence. I admit that the Hollywood Graphics were a bit melodramatic but I couldn't think of a better image of absolute Love and absolute Hate being encapsulated more explicitly than this one moment in history. Try to remember when you had your close call with death. Whether you want to hear it or not...... pulling through was an answer to many of our prayers...including Pat and myself and I'm sure many others. And I would bet money that if they could have come over and been at your side...they would have. So why pray for you? Because of love!!! It's easy to be angry and bitter and critical all the time Klav....why not try being the least offensive individual for a change........and see where it leads you. You want to talk about being noble? Start with that.......then maybe you will have a voice. Your friend always........ :empathy2:
CanDman
shoot them end of story!!!
I'll keep walking down Boylston St to go to dinner etc. I am on the street every day of the working week and have been for over 25 years.
I still have family there, I'm originally from there, Thankfully no family members where hurt, But what coward to do such a thing, I believe a public execution is in order
Deep Sympathies from this side of the water too. Was living in London when the IRA were doing similar so know how it feels :ireful: Hope you find the sobs, they deserve whatever they get but unfortunately it probably won't be enough......!
Quote from: crzyjarmans on April 18, 2013, 08:01:31 AM
I still have family there, I'm originally from there, Thankfully no family members where hurt, But what coward to do such a thing, I believe a public execution is in order
No kidding, we need to bring that back for this sort of cowardly bs...
Adults don't believe in magical thinking, Santa Clause or an interventionist, white Anglo Saxon representation of god.
Nor do they believe in religious death cults that use symbols of death as their signature and glorify pain,suffering and death.
They don't proselytise either.
Too many brainwashed religious zealots in this world, all demanding that the rest of us bow down to their One True God.
There's also too many that have their opinions formed by mass media and T.V.
Hark them baying for blood.
They want to see premeditated, cold blooded homicide carried out by the State in public.
The five countries that carried out the most executions in 2012 were China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S.
That's some company to keep.
Klavdy,
Why do feel the need to proselytise your belief in non-belief ?
Most of the posts are not baying for blood and instant sacrifice, but offering what they believe is their only available positive contribution to this horrible situation, prayer.
Who are you to deny them this relief to their anger and hurt and helplessness ?
Your demand for logical right-thinking is just as insulting to free choice as that of the jihadists who would stone you for your blasphemy.
Your declaration of atheism is a personal choice. Allow them their belief (or mis-belief) in peace.
You are a hypocritical bully. Until those who get solace from religion advocate harm, let them believe what they want.
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on April 18, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
Why do feel the need to proselytize your belief in non-belief ?
Your declaration of atheism is a personal choice. Allow them their belief (or mis-belief) in peace.
Arnie-
While I generally agree with your live at let live criticisms of militant-atheism, I would also encourage you and anyone really, to read a book from Sam Harris called "The end of Faith". This book affected my outlook, away from your well made point above. Interestingly, Harris makes the point that there is clear danger in the live and let live mentality. The book is written from the perspective of an atheist. I would very muck like to hear the reaction to such a book by the likes of "Father Pat", whom I respect as both bright and religious man.
We should have a book club! We could meet, Tuesday nights, and have briskets and beers and sit around discussing this week's book... -kidding...
Dan
Religious debate relating to such issues is a waste of time, views/beliefs are never changed, you believe or you don't end of....... Any message of support or sympathy is hopefully of value to those affected, religious or not.
In the meantime people have been injured, maimed or killed horribly. Catch the sobs and ensure that they can never do it again by the most effective means possible That's all that matters
Thanks Dan, I'll get the book and report back to you via PM. I am *always* open to new ideas and discussion.
Btw, I'm really not a priest or affiliated in any way with organized religion.
You probably know by now that one of the perps is dead and his brother still on the loose. An MIT police officer is dead as well and they almost killed a MBTA (Transit) officer as well. The events that have occured over the past 18 hours are stranger than fiction..
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 19, 2013, 03:47:52 PM
Btw, I'm really not a priest or affiliated in any way with organized religion.
I know this. I hope you enjoy the book. I was most interested that among the reviews on the inside jacket was from a priest saying that his fellow theologians '...owe it to themselves to read this thought provoking book...'.
Dan
Sam Harris is a thought provoking writer, (http://www.samharris.org/letter-to-a-christian-nation) also a very complex and divisive character.
"QUOTE"
"Forty-four percent of the American population is convinced that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead sometime in the next fifty years. According to the most common interpretation of biblical prophecy, Jesus will return only after things have gone horribly awry here on earth. It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen was about to happen—the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves—socially, economically, environmentally, or geopolitically. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the U.S. government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this, purely on the basis of religious dogma, should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency.The book you are about to read is my response to this emergency..."
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2013, 08:02:19 PM
Cowardly bastards, we will find them.
Found them in 5 days, bravo BPD.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 19, 2013, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 15, 2013, 08:02:19 PM
Cowardly bastards, we will find them.
Found them in 5 days, bravo BPD. See the power of prayer? (Running for cover) :flag_of_truce:
Must be them cammo colored Power rangers, they are the shit!!!!
Quote from: Klavdy on April 19, 2013, 07:17:52 PM
Sam Harris is a thought provoking writer, (http://www.samharris.org/letter-to-a-christian-nation) also a very complex and divisive character.
"QUOTE"
"Forty-four percent of the American population is convinced that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead sometime in the next fifty years. According to the most common interpretation of biblical prophecy, Jesus will return only after things have gone horribly awry here on earth. It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen was about to happen—the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves—socially, economically, environmentally, or geopolitically. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the U.S. government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this, purely on the basis of religious dogma, should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency.The book you are about to read is my response to this emergency..."
:hi:....I'm proud of you Klav :good2:......you expressed yourself perfectly without offending anyone......... :drinks: Good onya :good:
Now her's a little number about New York City that I think you can relate to............this Bud's for you !!!!!
Genesis - Back in N.Y.C (original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC19Y04HON8#)
PS.......I've read that 28 percent of Aussies believe that AC/DC really stands for Anti Christs/Devils Children...and that life is just a "Highway to Hell".....so why bother to turn around..... :diablo:
He QUOTED Sam Harris' expressed and published words. K did not express himself, though he obviously agrees.
I haven't read Sam Harris' book, but I did google "The end of Faith" and it returned an 8part vid clip speech of his that I listened to last night. I can't say that I've been converted to his need to challenge all expressions of faith and dogma, no matter how benign, yet. It has put further inquiry and reading on my list of things to do.
Arnie
Best be careful what you read, watch and listen to,
The Most Horrible Christian Fundamentalist Moment Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG33H8xHngM#)
They might lead you to temptation.
God warrior! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3mDLsyn6ns#)
Then again, the Christians will forgive.
Quote from: Arnie on April 19, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
He QUOTED Sam Harris' expressed and published words. K did not express himself, though he obviously agrees.
I haven't read Sam Harris' book, but I did google "The end of Faith" and it returned an 8part vid clip speech of his that I listened to last night. I can't say that I've been converted to his need to challenge all expressions of faith and dogma, no matter how benign, yet. It has put further inquiry and reading on my list of things to do.
Arnie
You're a great man Arn........and I hope to have the pleasure of your company one day.....so sad that I couldn't make this years rally....my wife lost her mom back in January...and leaving her to go and enjoy myself just...well ....I just couldn't do it.....hopefully next year .......for me.....it was exactly as you said b4........everyone has the right to believe what they want and should be able to do so in peace. Kman can be an Atheist if he wants...that's his choice..I have no problem with that...but he should have the common courtesy to allow others to have their opinions and beliefs without being attacked....that was sort of where I was trying to go.......wasn't trying to start a theological debate. My faith comes from personal experience....not the TV......and I don't have to stick a fork into the wall socket to find out if electricity is real....it is naked to the eye....but we still see it's power and know it's there....to a child though...I suppose it would appear to be "Magic" ..... :smile:.....keep on shining brother......
Kev
Quote from: Klavdy on April 19, 2013, 10:34:12 PM
Best be careful what you read, watch and listen to,
Sound advice Kman........spot on :good2:
Gillard delivers mock apocalypse message (World is Going to End) Must See!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKlCt9BUvqA#ws)