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General Category => Yamaha FJ1100 / FJ1200 Running Problems => Topic started by: WhiteBeard on March 31, 2013, 11:51:07 AM

Title: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on March 31, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
I have a 1985 FJ1100 with a fresh set of carbs installed.

Mikuni 40.0 pilots and 112.5 main jets.
RPM DualPod Uni filters
SuperTrapp 4-1 exhaust with about 10 discs fitted.

What is happening is that the bike seems to run fine on half choke, with nice throttle response.
But when I take it off the choke after the bike warms up, I get very hesitating throttle response and occasionally a loud popping noise from the carburetor area.

Carburetors are brand new so no jets should be clogged. Only thing I know is that the lip on one of the intake manifold rubbers is quite damaged, so might be a leak there.
Could that be causing the issues, or should I be looking into something else?

I will definitely buy a set of new intake rubbers from RPM anyhow, ASAP.

Nat
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on March 31, 2013, 12:30:17 PM
Forgot to mention I've synced the carbs and adjusted the idle to spec.
Smoother running now, but problems still persist.
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: Dan Filetti on March 31, 2013, 02:35:38 PM
Sounds like an intake leak.  Testing is easy, spray WD40 or starting fluid eith the mike running (judiciously -no need to start a fire...) around those manifolds see if the revs go up, if they do, you have a vacuum leak.

Dan
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on March 31, 2013, 04:45:55 PM
Quote from: Dan Filetti on March 31, 2013, 02:35:38 PM
Sounds like an intake leak.  Testing is easy, spray WD40 or starting fluid eith the mike running (judiciously -no need to start a fire...) around those manifolds see if the revs go up, if they do, you have a vacuum leak.

That is good news.
Will see if replacing the rubbers sorts it out.

Thanks Dan!

:drinks:
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: Arnie on March 31, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
Sounds like its starving for fuel.
If you don't have an air leak, I'd richen up those carbs.
You've got a low restriction intake/exhaust with standard fueling.
Raise the needle a half step (0.5mm), and probably open the idle mix screws by 1/2 turn.  You may want to go up a step on the mains as well.

Arnie
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: bigbore2 on April 10, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
Did you sort out the problem? What is your altitude there?
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: djfrankv on April 16, 2013, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: WhiteBeard on March 31, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
I have a 1985 FJ1100 with a fresh set of carbs installed.
I swear Im having the same exact symptoms and same exact set up as you on my 84. I solved 80% of the problem by placing small spacers under all four of my needle clips to richen the mix....This helped tremendously.....When I get a chance Im going to add another spacer to the needles to see the problem gets solved. If this doesnt fix it 100%...then I think Im going to have to up my mains. Hope this helped. :yahoo:
Mikuni 40.0 pilots and 112.5 main jets.
RPM DualPod Uni filters
SuperTrapp 4-1 exhaust with about 10 discs fitted.

What is happening is that the bike seems to run fine on half choke, with nice throttle response.
But when I take it off the choke after the bike warms up, I get very hesitating throttle response and occasionally a loud popping noise from the carburetor area.

Carburetors are brand new so no jets should be clogged. Only thing I know is that the lip on one of the intake manifold rubbers is quite damaged, so might be a leak there.
Could that be causing the issues, or should I be looking into something else?

I will definitely buy a set of new intake rubbers from RPM anyhow, ASAP.

Nat
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: keand3 on April 17, 2013, 01:36:48 AM
Nat,
Have manage to find out whats causing the issue?

Ken
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on April 17, 2013, 01:53:20 AM
Hello guys,

I've been sick for some time now, so haven't been able to find out what the problem is yet.
But my new intake rubbers have arrived on my doorstep, so that is the first thing that gets changed.
BUT, Randy gave me some spacers to shim my needles when he sent me the carburetors. I ignored them since I couldn't figure out what they were for...
:blush:

Thanks djfrankv, it sounds like this will solve the issue.

bigbore2 - I live at sea level, in a rather cold and humid climate.

By the looks of it, fixing the rubbers and shimming the needles should do the trick.
:hi:
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on June 14, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
Back again...

it's been a very busy time at work, but now I'm finally able to try to fix this problem wholeheartedly.
I have new intake rubbers that I'll install first thing tomorrow morning.

What size washers do I need for shimming the needles?

I'll also be installing a HID kit, Scorpio alarm and a pair of air horns...

Kokalooooooo :yahoo:
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: fj11.5 on June 14, 2013, 06:03:55 PM
If they're still in with your needles ,the washers above each one can be used to shim them, ,should be info in the files section if not
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: movenon on June 14, 2013, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: Arnie on March 31, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
Sounds like its starving for fuel.
If you don't have an air leak, I'd richen up those carbs.
You've got a low restriction intake/exhaust with standard fueling.
Raise the needle a half step (0.5mm), and probably open the idle mix screws by 1/2 turn.  You may want to go up a step on the mains as well.

Arnie

Might ad if you think it is a fuel starvation problem. Since you said the carbs were worked on don't overlook the fuel line routing and or a vacuum problem. They are picky about that..... Did you rebuild the carbs ? What I am getting at is there are 2 different needle and seat valves... Probably not it but I will throw it on the table because stuff happens.........
George "adding to the pile"  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: oldktmdude on June 14, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
   While you're playing with the carbs, check your float heights. Just because they're new carbs doesn't mean that the floats are set correctly. 
                                                                                                                                                                                               Pete.
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on June 15, 2013, 06:57:43 AM
Should I use thread lock on the intake manifold screws?
Does anybody know the torque value for them? Can't find anything in Haynes. ..
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on June 16, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
Okay, the carbs are back on the bike.

Things done:

Conclusion:
I haven't had a chance to ride the bike yet, but the throttle response is SOO much better. No hesitation and no pops through the carbs (I think I heard one once, but it didn't come back).
I haven't touched the idle mix screws yet. I might do that next time I have the carbs of the bike.
For now, I'm just waiting to ride...

THANK YOU everybody!

/Nat
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: poker007 on June 16, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
Hi
  Just a thought.. When was the last time you had the valves adjusted ? I think its every 9k..Also what type of gas do you run? I always run the same  Chevron 91 octane :good2:...Good Luck,,
MarkG
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: RichBaker on June 17, 2013, 10:17:35 PM
You can, and should, adjust the mixture screws while she's running, don't have to pull the carbs for that...
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: WhiteBeard on June 24, 2013, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: RichBaker on June 17, 2013, 10:17:35 PM
You can, and should, adjust the mixture screws while she's running, don't have to pull the carbs for that...

Thanks for the tip, Rich.
Are the mixture screws hidden underneath the golden plugs on the engine side?
Do I drill them out to access the screws?

Nat
Title: Re: Hesitating throttle and popping noise
Post by: fj11.5 on June 24, 2013, 05:58:31 PM
They possibly are , but be carefull drilling out the brass plug, the mix screws are just below them,,,most places got the carbs with the rubber covers over the mix screws