I went to my local salvage yard today go get a new front wheel because mine is bent, and they said they had one for me. well turns out it is to a katana 1100 86-89. he said that they will work. true or not?
Dunno...I would not take their word for it...no way...
Why don't you take your old wheel, axle, spacer, speedo drive and brake rotor down and compare them to the the rim they claim to fit?
Also, to get started, go to the Files section, under the modification section there is a post about comparing front axle diameter sizes between different bike models... Look to see if the Kawa rim uses a 15mm axle, same as your FJ..
Hope this helps. Pat
well I guess I did. I took the wheel home to verify, I mean it looks identical. there is no hub on it, he said everything that went on the fj rim should work on the katana rim... I guess I will let you know unless someone else speaks up
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 08, 2013, 11:00:54 PM
.....he said everything that went on the fj rim should work on the katana rim...
I wish I had a dollar for......
...anyway, please let us know how it fits. It would be good to add to our knowledge base. How wide is the rim?
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 08, 2013, 11:09:43 PM
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 08, 2013, 11:00:54 PM
.....he said everything that went on the fj rim should work on the katana rim...
I wish I had a dollar for......
...anyway, please let us know how it fits. It would be good to add to our knowledge base. How wide is the rim?
yea, I know, but I figured id give it a shot. if I am measuring correctly, its a 3.5" wide rim
and according to the charts that I looked at, it does have a 15mm axle as well. so theoretically it should work right?maybe add some spacers to the disks? done a ton of engine work before, not much on suspension or wheels.....
be great if its a direct fit,, easier to find than 87/88 fizzer rims
Ok, that's cool..a 3 1/2 wide rim is good...very good...15mm axle, check, your right side spacer should fit.
Now, check on the left side of the rim to see if your FJ speedo drive will fit in the bearing pocket.
If that works, and the bolt pattern on the hub of the Kawa rim matches your FJ rotors, you are golden.
If you want to check out rotor spec's then you might want to check this site out. http://www.metalgear.com.au/ (http://www.metalgear.com.au/)
Go to the model search function and select the front rotors (or rear) and they will give you the diameter, hole size, bolt hole circle, thickness etc and compare it to the FJ rotor, out of memory (298mm diameter, 80mm bolt circle, non ABS). But please verify my memory :pardon:.... Also check the bolt size and center hole. Its all there.
George
what does the spoke pattern look like ? how much does it weigh? pictures please.
the most important question : is it sexy.
http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/kentuckycycles/the-8134/1989-dsh-1997-Suzuki-Katana-750/Detail (http://store02.prostores.com/servlet/kentuckycycles/the-8134/1989-dsh-1997-Suzuki-Katana-750/Detail)
It's the same wheel in this pic. Think it's actually from a 750 but I was under the impression they were the same. It looks identical te the stock 92 fj
From looking at the front rotor sizes for a bunch of GSX 750's the answer is no. At least the rotors are different. I mean you can do anything if you really want to. It is just not easy. I would recommend going with 87-88 FZR rim or posting in the "Parts Wanted" for a FJ front rim..
George
Quote from: movenon on March 09, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
From looking at the front rotor sizes for a bunch of GSX 750's the answer is no. At least the rotors are different. I mean you can do anything if you really want to. It is just not easy. I would recommend going with 87-88 FZR rim or posting in the "Parts Wanted" for a FJ front rim..
George
is it hard to swap out rotors? i was just thinking that i could just take the ones off the bent rim and put it on the katana rim( bolt pattern is the same
I THINK )
i mean, this thing is just a rim carcus. no hub or anything.so i was planning on just transfering everything. going to work on it tonight or tomorrow.
I don't know if the Katana wheel and brake rotors will work. Here is my 2 cents and suggestion...... From the photo it does not appear that FJ rotors will bolt on to the Katana wheel. Remove the stock wheel, insert the Katana wheel, If the inside diameter of the bearings is 15mm the axle will fit. Check for spacing from the rim to the forks, and adjust as necessary. Once that is bolted up, attach the brake calipers and check alignment of the rotors within the calipers. Are they positioned properly left and right in the calipers. Is the rotor diameter too large, or too small for the calipers. I am not betting that the FJ speedo gearbox will fit the dust ring and probably won't have the prongs in the wheel to drive the gearbox.
I know that FZR wheels are becoming harder to aquire. But they are a direct bolt on with no modification. I know this has been posted many times, but here it is again. Years to use, 1987 FZR1000 and FZR750R, Red wheel is the stock color. 1988 FZR1000 and FZR750R, White is the stock color. Just a note, the FZ750 of those years has a narrower front wheel.
Fred
What's more important than the rotor bolt pattern is the width of the Kawa hub...measure the distance between the faces of the hub, where the rotors contact the hub. If the width between the FJ and the Kawa rim is the same, that means that the rotors will be in the same location in relation to the FJ brake calipers.
Now about the bolt pattern, if they do match, you are good to go...if they don't match, all is not lost, now what you have to do is to find some 298mm rotors which fit the Kawa bolt pattern (300mm are ok also)
You won't be able to reuse your FJ rotors, but oh well, you can use the Kawa rim.
Keep us tuned in... An alternative to the rare '87/88 FZR1000 or FZR750R front rim is worth investigating.
Thank you! Pat
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 09, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
What's more important than the rotor bolt pattern is the width of the Kawa hub...measure the distance between the faces of the hub, where the rotors contact the hub. If the width between the FJ and the Kawa rim is the same, that means that the rotors will be in the same location in relation to the FJ brake calipers.
Now about the bolt pattern, if they do match, you are good to go...if they don't match, all is not lost, now what you have to do is to find some 298mm rotors which fit the Kawa bolt pattern (300mm are ok also)
You won't be able to reuse your FJ rotors, but oh well, you can use the Kawa rim.
Keep us tuned in... An alternative to the rare '87/88 FZR1000 or FZR750R front rim is worth investigating.
Thank you! Pat
I'll keep you tuned! It's hard to find specs on rotor bolt pattern sizes but from the source I found the katana has a 78mm pattern compared to fj's 80mm( correct me if I'm wrong ). I'll update when I get
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Quote from: HARTLESS on March 09, 2013, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 09, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
What's more important than the rotor bolt pattern is the width of the Kawa hub...measure the distance between the faces of the hub, where the rotors contact the hub. If the width between the FJ and the Kawa rim is the same, that means that the rotors will be in the same location in relation to the FJ brake calipers.
Now about the bolt pattern, if they do match, you are good to go...if they don't match, all is not lost, now what you have to do is to find some 298mm rotors which fit the Kawa bolt pattern (300mm are ok also)
You won't be able to reuse your FJ rotors, but oh well, you can use the Kawa rim.
Keep us tuned in... An alternative to the rare '87/88 FZR1000 or FZR750R front rim is worth investigating.
Thank you! Pat
I'll keep you tuned! It's hard to find specs on rotor bolt pattern sizes but from the source I found the katana has a 78mm pattern compared to fj's 80mm( correct me if I'm wrong ). I'll update when I get
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Not hard to find the bolt pattern.... http://metalgear.com.au/searchByBikeModel.php?model_name=gsx+750&x=40&y=10 (http://metalgear.com.au/searchByBikeModel.php?model_name=gsx+750&x=40&y=10) Pick which model, click the rotor and you will get full spec's. The ones I glanced at the bolt pattern were different and the rotor was a bit smaller. also pay attention to the offset.
George
GSX 750 F Details
Measurements (mm)
Outside Diameter
290
Inside Diameter
64
Bolt Hole Circumference
86
Bolt Hole Quantity
5
Bolt Hole Size
10.5
Thickness
4.5
Minimum Thickness
4.0
Offset
19.5
Type of Bolt Holes
STRAIGHT
FJ 88-89 Details
Measurements (mm)
Outside Diameter
298
Inside Diameter
64
Bolt Hole Circumference
80
Bolt Hole Quantity
6
Bolt Hole Size
8.5
Thickness
4.0
Minimum Thickness
3.5
Offset
9.5
Type of Bolt Holes
STRAIGHT
And for some reason the GSX front rotor has something different between the right and left one. Also please note the bolt hole numbers and offset. I just picked 88-89 FJ because I don't know what year of FJ you are tryng to put it on, or I did 't catch that information.
George
I think these are the 1992 FJ spec's without and with ABS.
1992 FJ NON ABS
Measurements (mm)
Outside Diameter
298
Inside Diameter
64
Bolt Hole Circumference
80
Bolt Hole Quantity
6
Bolt Hole Size
8.5
Thickness
4.0
Minimum Thickness
3.5
Offset
9.5
Type of Bolt Holes
STRAIGHT
1992 FJ with ABS
Measurements (mm)
Outside Diameter
298
Inside Diameter
132
Bolt Hole Circumference
150
Bolt Hole Quantity
5
Bolt Hole Size
8.5
Thickness
5.0
Minimum Thickness
4.5
Offset
10.5
Type of Bolt Holes
STRAIGHT
George
Thanks George, this is cool information. Would you mind if I created a post over in the Modification Files section with your link?
Very helpful indeed.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 09, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
Thanks George, this is cool information. Would you mind if I created a post over in the Modification Files section with your link?
Very helpful indeed.
You are entirely welcome Pat. I used that link to scout out all the rear rotors that I could use with the GSXR rear wheel conversion. Today I have been looking over your digital shoulder and modifying my tail light. :good2: :good2: :good2:
George
ok, so the hub from rotor mount to rotor mount on the katana wheel is just under 9.25 inches so about 234mm according to googles converter (I don have anything that measures in mm at the moment). does anyone know what the measurement is on a 92 fj ( which is what I have )? thanks movenon for the information. so it seems as if I would have to get new rotors with 80mm bolt hole circumference and a 9.5 mm offset that has a 298 mm outside diameter correct? I think that I need new rotors anyways.
You already have the info. on the bolt spacing of your Katana rim, so that is what your rotor should be.
You need a rotor with a internal diameter to match 64mm, the outside diameter needs to be 298mm for the FJ calipers...what you don't know is the offset of the rotor, so measure your '92 rim and see what the difference is....then you will have a idea what offset you need...
[Edit] Ok, I just measured my '92 (non ABS) and outside face to outside face of the rotor is 142mm
And the thickness of each carrier frame is 6mm, total of 12mm
George's link shows a FJ rotor offset of 9.5mm (to the outside) on each rotor, for a total of 19 mm
Therefore the FJ hub width should be aprox. 111mm (4.37 inches)
. Are you sure the hub width on the Katana rim is 9.25 inches? Sounds awfully wide.
If so, then I don't think it's gonna work....
To fit your FJ, you need a rim that will put a set of 298mm rotors 142mm (5.6 inches) apart.
Hard to do when the Katana hub is already 9.25 inches wide....time to get your money back.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 09, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
You already have the info. on the bolt spacing of your Katana rim, so that is what your rotor should be.
You need a rotor with a internal diameter to match 64mm, the outside diameter needs to be 298mm for the FJ calipers...what you don't know is the offset of the rotor, so measure your '92 rim and see what the difference is....then you will have a idea what offset you need...
Ok, I just measured my '92 (non ABS) and outside face to outside face of the rotor is 142mm
And the thickness of each carrier frame is 6mm, total of 12mm
George's link shows a FJ rotor offset of 9.5mm (to the outside) on each rotor, for a total of 19 mm
Therefore the FJ hub width should be aprox. 111mm (4.37 inches)
. Are you sure the hub width on the Katana rim is 9.25 inches? Sounds awfully wide.
If so, then I don't think it's gonna work....
To fit your FJ, you need a rim that will put a set of 298mm rotors 142mm (5.6 inches) apart.
Hard to do when the Katana hub is already 9.25 inches wide....time to get your money back.
im not really sure of anything these days.... especially considering I don't know what the heck I was thinking when I put 9.25..... its really about 3.75 inches which means it would be at about 94-95 mm. im a mess apparently and I appreciate you guys not bashing me too hard. if we could just forget about that I would appreciate it! :wacko1: :wacko2: :dash2: :good:
Well, assuming you can solve the rotor offset exercise, now you do realize that you *may* have problems using your FJ's axle spacer and speedo drive due to the narrower Katana hub....?
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 10, 2013, 12:33:43 AM
Well, assuming you can solve the rotor offset exercise, now you do realize that you *may* have problems using your FJ's axle spacer and speedo drive due to the narrower Katana hub....?
oh yea, and my plan was to wait until Monday and probably return it anyways. but I like talking about this stuff and learning, plus I am beginning to like this forum! I have recently been looking up ratings on the salvage yard I went to and it shows they might be kind of shady...they said they would do the work for me for an extra $20 but I don't know. sounds to me like he knows just as much about his as I do...which is hardly anything at all. hopefully I can get my money back because $100 is a lot of money to me.
Good move on taking back that rim... There a 2 other ways to replace your front wheel with a lot less hassle. Replace with another stock rim or wait and locate a 87/88 FZR rim. Lots of stock rims out there and if you shop around and take some time you can find a 87/88 FZR rim.
And not to add to the confusion there is a way to adapt a newer FZR rim BUT (there's that word again) it requires machine work it is not a direct fit. Or you could adapt a whole new front suspension in... It's only time and money. Let us know how you come out on returning the rim.
George
Quote from: movenon on March 10, 2013, 01:49:16 AM
Good move on taking back that rim... There a 2 other ways to replace your front wheel with a lot less hassle. Replace with another stock rim or wait and locate a 87/88 FZR rim. Lots of stock rims out there and if you shop around and take some time you can find a 87/88 FZR rim.
And not to add to the confusion there is a way to adapt a newer FZR rim BUT (there's that word again) it requires machine work it is not a direct fit. Or you could adapt a whole new front suspension in... It's only time and money. Let us know how you come out on returning the rim.
George
think im going to stick with stock unless someone has a 87/88 fzr rim laying around. im not too worried about the extra width, I don't plan on racing. I will keep you posted, maybe the wrecking yard has an fzr rim I can trade for.
So, I took the katana wheel back and was glad to see that he gave me my 100 bones back. found another parts place that I had never heard of. called and he said that he had wheel for me, well when I show up its off an 85 and wont fit on my 92, but he said I could look around. just as I was about to leave I looked up at the very top rack in the very corner at the last rim and tire tucked away so you couldn't see it. Hallelujah! looks like a match! but get this, I try to put it on and it fits but had to swap rotors, start to look at it a bit and its a 3.5" wide rim. Bonus, especially considering he only charged me $40 and it had a good metzeler tire on it. And he wants me to work in his shop. all in all, I feel like it was a good day, plus its nice to know that there are some motorcycle parts guys out there that aren't just in it for a buck.... :yes: :yahoo:
Good deal ! Might the rim be an old FZR (88-87).. ? If so it was a real score, well for that matter if it works it was a score. :). Glad it worked for you. :gamer: :gamer: :gamer: Please watch out if the Metzeler is to old, then get a new tire..
George
Quote from: movenon on March 12, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
Good deal ! Might the rim be an old FZR (88-87).. ? If so it was a real score, well for that matter if it works it was a score. :). Glad it worked for you. :gamer: :gamer: :gamer: Please watch out if the Metzeler is to old, then get a new tire..
George
im guessing that it is an fzr wheel, he didn't even know he had it. the tire is in pretty good shape, not dried or cracked and has good tread.going to get some new wheel bearings for it though once I find the specs on them. local bearing shop sells high quality ones for real cheap
the original fj wheel has the same size bearings as the fz's right?
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 12, 2013, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: movenon on March 12, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
Good deal ! Might the rim be an old FZR (88-87).. ? If so it was a real score, well for that matter if it works it was a score. :). Glad it worked for you. :gamer: :gamer: :gamer: Please watch out if the Metzeler is to old, then get a new tire..
George
im guessing that it is an fzr wheel, he didn't even know he had it. the tire is in pretty good shape, not dried or cracked and has good tread.going to get some new wheel bearings for it though once I find the specs on them. local bearing shop sells high quality ones for real cheap
Front bearings 6302 RD that's a KLM number. Seals I think are 1 each 30mm X56mm and 1 each 30mm X 42mm. Yes they are the same size as the FJ. In fact I got the numbers off the bearings that I am going to install tomorrow in my FZR wheel. The bearings are sealed on both sides.
George
Quote from: movenon on March 12, 2013, 11:35:59 PM
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 12, 2013, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: movenon on March 12, 2013, 11:17:03 PM
Good deal ! Might the rim be an old FZR (88-87).. ? If so it was a real score, well for that matter if it works it was a score. :). Glad it worked for you. :gamer: :gamer: :gamer: Please watch out if the Metzeler is to old, then get a new tire..
George
im guessing that it is an fzr wheel, he didn't even know he had it. the tire is in pretty good shape, not dried or cracked and has good tread.going to get some new wheel bearings for it though once I find the specs on them. local bearing shop sells high quality ones for real cheap
thanks!
Front bearings 6302 RD that's a KLM number. Seals I think are 1 each 30mm X56mm and 1 each 30mm X 42mm. Yes they are the same size as the FJ. In fact I got the numbers off the bearings that I am going to install tomorrow in my FZR wheel. The bearings are sealed on both sides.
George
6302 RD
This bearing comes in both a sealed and a shielded version. Please select between the two below. Select 2RS for a sealed bearing or ZZ for a shielded bearing.
This bearing can be found with the following part numbers on it:
6302-2RS, 6302 2RS, 6302 RS, 6302RS, 6302-ZZ, 6302 ZZ, 6302ZZ, 6302 Z
You want double sealed. "RS" "RD" "2RS" depends on the brand of bearing.
George
Check the date code on the tire...see when it was made. If it's more than 5 years old..toss it
Don't rely on *only* a visual inspection. Rubber hardens with age and loses it's grip...
....and after all...it is your front tire.
Kudos on the score!!!
thanks guys!
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 12, 2013, 11:51:43 PM
Check the date code on the tire...see when it was made. If it's more than 5 years old..toss it
Don't rely on *only* a visual inspection. Rubber hardens with age and loses it's grip...
....and after all...it is your front tire.
Kudos on the score!!!
So how old is this? DOT EB 32 BXC 448 1589a. Too old? I looked up how to find the year but this doesn't look the same
I read that as the 15th week of 1989
That's what I thought to but prior to 2000 the date codes were different. Either way, I think I have a new one laying around somewhere....
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 13, 2013, 06:53:44 AM
........ Either way, I think I have a new one laying around somewhere....
Good call, also good call on replacing those wheel bearings.
this reminds of the time Craig Z. and I were looking for a gxer wheel for his fj upgrade at the wreckers . they did not have a good wheel and kept bringing out bent wheels.
so we asked about fzr wheels , and they brought out some more crap for like 100.00 a wheel. Well the wrecker got frustrated cause I kept telling him all his wheels were shit bent .(I had brought a axle with me so I could spin them)
The wrecker in his exhausted state finally asks what bike we are trying to upgrade and I tell him fj 1200 and he goes into the back and pulls out what he has marked as a 85 fj1100 wheel . I see the wheel is a fzr 1000 from somebody's upgrade and is mislabeled . I spin it and it is good , also has new brgs , tell the wrecker It's not really what we are looking for and he says 50.00 and it's yours. Sold....
unfortunately, there were no other parts from the wrecked fj , I was hoping for some forks or something.
Moral of the story ..... wreckers don't know what they got. Make friends with them and did around in the pile of crap they have out back. :wacko1:
Thats what I did! Made friends. Now I have part time gig(whenever I feel like it) and have a hook up on tires and a place to work. for reference I can get shinkos for about $50 a pop. Anyone ever run shinkos on their fj? I heard they bought out the Yokohama molds and "recipe" when the earthquake took out the factory back when
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 13, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
Thats what I did! Made friends. Now I have part time gig(whenever I feel like it) and have a hook up on tires and a place to work. for reference I can get shinkos for about $50 a pop. Anyone ever run shinkos on their fj? I heard they bought out the Yokohama molds and "recipe" when the earthquake took out the factory back when
There ya go, good move. :good2:
shinko's are greasy at first during scrub in . then they wear funny on the front wheel and kinda triangle out .
That's how the dunlops were that I just took of. Thought it was weird
Btw. Gotta love the local bearing shop, $12 for the front set. Good quality
Quote from: HARTLESS on March 13, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
Anyone ever run shinkos on their fj? I heard they bought out the Yokohama molds and "recipe" when the earthquake took out the factory back when
I run a Shinko 741 in the standard rear 16" size (have to check that designation - it's been a while since I looked closely at the rear tyre to do anything other than check the tread depth) . I haven't had an issue with it, but then again I may not be a good enough rider to tell, who knows? I CAN tell you I have only a few mm of chicken strips either side, have a scrapped muffler and keep up with modern 1000cc v-twin sports bikes. Being from NZ I ride in ALL weathers and the only time I've had it let go unintentionally was when I had to dodge an errant truck on the motorway who lane-changed into me during rush-hour traffic.. The resultant snap on of throttle in the wet as I got out of his way broke the rear loose. Which will happen with any tyre.
I like the Shinko and will be buying another if I don't convince myself into doing the GSXR rear mod.
Cheers,
James
A good friend of mine has had SHinkos on 2 different Vmaxes a 06 and 09 great price. he Loves them good traction and wear well. Both Maxes are modified the 09 puts down 195 at the rear wheel. He said the Shinko is much better than the BS he took off.
Sweet. I can get them new for about 50-60 bucks a pop
Quote from: tmkaos on March 14, 2013, 02:01:11 PM
The resultant snap on of throttle in the wet as I got out of his way broke the rear loose. Which will happen with any tyre.
Cheers,
James
No it won't!!
Even at WOT in first gear at 6000rpm + in the wet my tyre will only occasionally let go.
And I get about 8-10 hard k's out of it.
A recent review of this tyre, and I imagine others would be similar, had the tester scraping the pegs in the wet. At this point he saw no need to push any further and commented that only a few years ago this would be unthinkable on a touring tyre.
The choice has traditionally been mileage OR grip, until now.
My tyre man tells me that this combination is now so greatly improved that there has been a decline in demand for sports and track day tyres.
There seems to be a widely held view, and one I've never agreed with, that grippy tyres are only needed if you ride hard.
They are a safety item, not a performance accessory.
I have a bike that will do what yours does, spin it up in the wet in the lower gears just with a crack of the throttle, and it scares the shit out of me when I ride it, wet or dry.
Modern tyre technology is truly amazing.
Noel