This file was posted by Klavdy a couple of years ago.
While I have accepted it as valid and purchased and use a helmet from OS without the AS1698 sticker, I do not warrant the suitability of this information for anyone else.
Yes, you CAN buy a helmet from O/S and legally wear it in Australia.
PRODUCT INFORMATION SHEET
Motor Vehicle Helmets (March 2009)
Background
Certification and the '5-ticks'
Prior to 17 December 2003 SAI Global was owned by Standards Australia International Limited (previously know as Standards Association of Australia) and delivered, via its subsidiary SAI Global, the product certification scheme commonly referred to as the '5-ticks'.
Standards Australia International was and still is a not-for-profit community owned organisation: in that its Constitution mandates the "Non-distribution of surplus to Members" (Constitution as amended 23 Nov 2007 clause 3 link ) however on the 17 December 2003 Standards Australia International divested itself of its subsidiary SAI Global and floated it on the Australia stock exchange. (link)
Thus since 17 December 2003 the product certification schemes commonly referred to as the '5-ticks' is operated and owned by SAI Global Limited (link) a publicly listed privately owned company. (link)
The "opening up" of the Australian certification marketplace which effectively took place as per above removed in effect the "quasi" Government endorsed certification process delivered by a not-for-profit, community owned organisation.
Standards Australia International Limited (SAIL) do not provide certify/approve products nor provide the '5-ticks'.
The Australian certification market place is now serviced by Australian private companies such as:
· BSI Management Systems (Australia & New Zealand) Pty Ltd,
· Global-Mark Pty Ltd,
· SAI Global Limited, and
· TÜV Rheinland Australia Pty Limited.
Standard
An appropriate, current, standard to which motor cycle helmets should comply with is:
AS/NZS 1698:2006 (as amended) Protective helmets for vehicle users. This standard superseded the standard AS 1698 – 1988 (as amended) Protective helmets for vehicle users on 20 February 2006.
Government
Australian Consumer and Competition Council (ACCC)
At the Australian Federal Government level mandatory safety standards are declared for products that are likely to be especially hazardous. (link) In the case of motor cycle helmets a product standard has been declared a mandatory consumer standard (link) by the Minister for Competition Policy and Consumer Affairs in a Consumer Protection Notice (CPN).
CPN No. 9 of 10 December 1990 requires that protective helmets for motor cyclists are required to comply with the Australian Standard 1698 - 1998. (link) Unfortunately CPN No. 9 has not been updated to reflect that AS 1698 - 1988 was superseded by AS/NZS 1698 on the 20 February 2006. Importantly CPN No. 9 does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
The ACCC provides guidance as to the responsibilities of suppliers', manufacturers, importers, distributors and retailers of products that are covered by a mandatory safety standard, eg a motor cycle helmet at their website and such guidance does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark. (link)
In short, the ACCC do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
NSW Department of Fair Trading (Fair Trading)
The products listed in the "Summary of Safety and Product Information Laws" document are subject to safety laws in NSW. (link) This list includes Helmets – Motor Cycle and indicates they "must comply with Australian Standard AS 1698-1998 – Protective Helmets for Vehicle Users. There are requirements for construction, materials, performance, marking and labeling. This is complementary to a Commonwealth law." (link)
This requirement is legislated in the Fair Trading Regulation 2007 (link) which similar to the summary document does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
In short, Fair Trading does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Australian Road Rules
The Australian Road Rules (ARRs) are a basically a consistent set of rules which apply right across Australia and make it easier all round for road users. The ARRs were developed by the National Road Transport Commission, State and Territory transport agencies, police, other organisations and approved by a majority vote of State Transport Ministers. (link)
The latest version of the Australian Road Rules incorporates the amendments approved by the Australian Transport Council up to and including January 2008. The Australian Road Rules are model Rules only and have no legal effect however they form the basis of Road Rules of each Australian state and territory. (link) In these rules an "approved motor bike helmet means a protective helmet for motor bike riders that is approved, for the Australian Road Rules, under another law of this jurisdiction". (link)
In short, the ARR do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
New South Wales (NSW) Road Rules
Unfortunately the Motorcycle riders' handbook (link) is not representative of the marketplace in that page 51 indicates, amongst other things, a certification trade mark logo that is no longer provided. The logo shown was the Standards Australia logo which as indicated above Standards Australia or more correctly SAIL since 17 December 2003 does not certify/approve products or supply the '5-ticks' sticker.
As indicated on page 1 of the handbook, "This handbook is only an interpretation of the law made easy to understand by using plain English" and is not truly reflective of the legal definition of an approved motorcycle helmet.
Referring to the legal definition, the NSW Road Rules 2008 requires the rider and a passenger of a motor bike that is moving, or is stationary but not parked to wear an approved motor bike helmet.
"An approved motor bike helmet means a protective helmet for motor bike riders of a type approved by the Authority." In this case the Authority is the RTA. (link)
In short, the NSW Road Rules do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Victorian (VIC) Road Rules
Unfortunately the Victorian Rider handbook (link) is not representative of the marketplace in that:
· page 18 indicates, "By law, every rider and passenger, including pillion and sidecar passengers, must wear a helmet approved by Australian Standards". "Your helmet must carry the AS1698 or AS/NZS 1698 mark." and;
· on page 19 the photograph indicates, "Only buy a helmet carrying this sticker" and shows the now discontinued Australian Standards '5-ticks' sticker.
As indicated above since 17 December 2003 Australian Standards or more correctly SAIL does not certify/approve products or supply the'5-ticks' sticker.
To clarify the situation we should refer to the legal requirements namely the Road Rules – Victoria (link), clause 270, which indicates amongst other things, the rider and a passenger of a motor bike that is moving, or is stationary but not parked must wear an approved motor bike helmet.
"An approved motor bike helmet means a protective helmet for motor bike riders that is approved, by the Corporation by notice in the Government Gazette."
Special Gazette No S 174 (link) indicates an approved motor bike helmets, amongst other things, "are marked with an official standards mark certifying compliance with the relevant Standard..."
A standards mark is not legally defined and given today's marketplace and the precedence given by the Federal Government body the ACCC could be a private company's certification trade mark or it could be the standards mark of the manufacturer, distributor, supplier or retailer.
In short, the VIC Road Rules do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Queensland (QLD) Road Rules
The QLD Road Use Management – Road Rules require a motorbike helmet to be approved,
"approved motorbike helmet means a helmet that complies with —
(a) AS 1698–1988; or
(b) another standard the chief executive considers is at least equal to that standard." (link)
The QLD Government Motorbike Safety website indicates a
When it comes to buying a good helmet, it pays to use your head:
· Make sure it meets the Australian Standards safety requirements. Helmets must carry an AS1698 sticker, and those with a visor must conform to Australian Standard 1609. (link)
In short, the QLD Road Rules do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Associations
Australian Karting Association (AKA)
The AKA 2009 Karting Manual, chapter 14, indicates, amongst other things, that a helmet bearing a mark indicating compliance with the AS1698 Australian Standard are approved for use on AKA circuits. (link)
The manual does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS)
The 2009 CAMS Manual of Motor Sport, General Requirements for Cars and Drivers Schedule D – Apparel, Clause 1 Headgear indicates that "A helmet bearing an approval to one or more of the following standards is approved for use in each of the above events and each other event where a helmet is required and the event is not entered on the FIA International Sporting Calendar: AS1698 Australian standard." (link)
The manual does not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company's certification trade mark.
Motorcycling Australia
The 2009 Manual of Motorcycle Sport Appendix 1 (link) (and various clauses) refers:
· to the Standards Association of Australian AS 1698 label which unfortunately is no longer available from the not-for-profit community owned organisation, referred to as Standards Association of Australia but now called SAIL.
· the standard AS 1698 which is no longer available as it was superseded by AS/NZS 1698 on the 20 February 2006.
As indicated above since 17 December 2003 Australian Standards or more correctly SAIL does not certify/approve products or supply the'5-ticks' sticker.
Unfortunately the manual does not reflect the actual marketplace by referring to a particular certification trade mark; this is also perhaps a restrictive trade practice.
The manual is outdated by refereeing to a standard that was superseded in February 2006.
These matters have been raised with Motorcycling Australia and it is suggested that in time they will update their manual to reflect the current marketplace.
Conclusion
Effectively since 17 December 2003 the Australian certification market place has been "opened up" to competitive privately owned companies.
The days of the '5-ticks' as being the only certification trade mark are long gone; the Government bodies and organisations mentioned above except for Motorcycling Australia (currently under review) have recognised this and kept pace with those marketplace changes which has assisted to deliver a more competitive marketplace.
From a consumer's perspective a competitive marketplace, overshadowed by Government legislation to ensure product safety, is desirable for many reasons.
The legislation and association guidelines indicated above require that a motor bike helmet must comply with a standard. However the only way to verify if a helmet complies with the standard is to test the helmet to the standard which destroys the helmet; making it un-fit for use. Accordingly most manufacturers'/agent's utilise the services of a third party certification company to assist them in demonstrating to the marketplace that their helmets fulfill standard requirements. This process is called product certification and is a voluntary process
In short certification markings are not mandatory.
Arnie, I am not doubting any of that for one second, but try explaining it, at roadside, to an arsehole cop, intent on booking you for not having a 5 tick bullshit Australian Standard sticker. You can obviously take it to court but who wants to spend the time and money doing so. After having said that, I also wear a helmet, bought from the US, shipped here, at about 1/2 the local price. You may be able to tell but this is another subject that stirs me no end. Regards, Pete. :ireful:
Thanks for that Arnie.
It is just totally ridiculous the way we get treated here. I can see where the 5 ticks would prevent obviously crap helmets being sold here, but helmets that pass the relevant tests in the US need additional expensive "tests" here to make sure they protect our poor heads. Stupid bureaucratic asswipes.
Bah, I'll probably end up paying the ripoff pricing at a bike shop, :(
Quote from: X-Ray on February 20, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Thanks for that Arnie.
It is just totally ridiculous the way we get treated here. I can see where the 5 ticks would prevent obviously crap helmets being sold here, but helmets that pass the relevant tests in the US need additional expensive "tests" here to make sure they protect our poor heads. Stupid bureaucratic asswipes.
Bah, I'll probably end up paying the ripoff pricing at a bike shop, :(
F### off Xray don't kowtow to these buttholes its sheer stupidity :mad: :rofl:
Yeah, but I've left it a bit late to get a new delivered before Bellingen .....
Actually I might try my back up helmet on for size, use it and get the overseas one in. $200.00 difference FFS!
Quote from: X-Ray on February 21, 2013, 01:01:06 AM
Yeah, but I've left it a bit late to get a new delivered before Bellingen .....
Actually I might try my back up helmet on for size, use it and get the overseas one in. $200.00 difference FFS!
If you don't order it today then it will definitely won't be here in time lol
The 5 tick or AS1698 sticker never did represent ANY additional testing.
It was only the manufacturer certifying that the helmet meets the AS1698 standards.
While it is possible that during a "blitz" some cop doing a roadside roadworthy will tell you your helmet is illegal and/or doesn't meet standards, it is a very rare occurrence (I would think).
If you and your bike and the rest of your riding gear appear to be good, they just don't bother picking nits.
UNLESS you start off by swearing at them, being dis-respectful, arguing, shouting, etc. Then they will give back with interest. Remember, they wear guns, can choose to use them, and the general consensus is that YOU dirty biker deserved it. Don't give them that excuse.
I was stopped a few weeks ago for a license & rego & breathalyzer check and the cop never looked twice at my helmet. I've never had a cop take a close look at my helmet.
And, While going to court to fight a bad ticket is an expensive time consuming pain, it is necessary.
If YOU don't stand up for your rights, how can you expect anyone else to?
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on February 21, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
I was stopped a few weeks ago for a license & rego & breathalyzer check
That pretty standard down there? :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: not a lib on February 21, 2013, 07:32:15 AM
Quote from: Arnie on February 21, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
I was stopped a few weeks ago for a license & rego & breathalyzer check
That pretty standard down there? :scratch_one-s_head:
And regular, it's not such a hassle these days with the new units, they hold it in front of you and you talk into the unit rather than blow into a tube, this means you can keep your helmet on.
As well as the license check they can do a random drug test for which they make you take off your helmet.
I don't drink or take drugs so I really don't mind if I get stopped.
I just have leave the scene slowly to keep the noise down :rofl:
I have been given a verbal warning for not having an AS sticker on my visor, I always take them off.
It was at one of the local coffee stops i was not on the bike but sitting with mates and we all got usual highway patrol free intimidation lecture.
They regularly stop to match number plates to bike and colour and gather intelligence
On the opposite side of the spectrum, here is what the state of Maine, USA thinks about helmet safety.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/02/19/politics/bills-to-ban-driving-with-hand-held-cellphones-motorcyclists-without-helmets-fail-in-committee/ (http://bangordailynews.com/2013/02/19/politics/bills-to-ban-driving-with-hand-held-cellphones-motorcyclists-without-helmets-fail-in-committee/)
:flag_of_truce: my helmet. 6 years old... has texta writing all over it (big letters on the back "CHAFUGGA LOOGNAT CHACAAHN") NIN,SLAYER< list of bikes that i have ridden on whilst i have had helmet, stickers ( spongebob and others) dings scratches and superglue blobs. been pulled over for breath tests, ( asked for rego label.... got it out of my wallet and he informed me that there are " thousands of places to put your rego label put your label on your bike" , to inform me my brake lights were out ( to which i replied" o! i thought i might have been speeding as all my dash bulbs blew and i couldn't see my speedo"....." no just letting you know your brake lights are out, if your dash bulbs blow its a good indication your taillight is out" licence check and allowed to go. NEVER ONCE has my clothing been an issue, helmets boots gloves or anything..... and just as an aside, this whole new thing of wearing reflective bright clothing is BS :ireful:... was wearing HIGH VIS yellow jacket with REFLECTIVE stripes and i STILL GOT TAGGED by a p plater coming through a round a bout on link road. juuuuust nudged me enough to knock rear wheel out of alingment and curl number plate up. didnt drop her tho :good2:. As for standing up Arnie is well correct. How long in this NANNY country are we going to let people WHO DON'T RIDE decide what and where and how WE RIDE? :mad: :mad:
thank you lines man, thank you ball boys, rant over.
Neil said, "How long in this NANNY country are we going to let people WHO DON'T RIDE decide what and where and how WE RIDE?"
Probably forever. While some of the bureaucrats and legislators who write the laws pertaining to motorcycles, are or perhaps were motorcycle riders, the majority are not and likely never will be.
They will continue to make laws that affect us, no matter what we want. Especially if it allows them to be portrayed as "tough on crime" or "anti-bikey" (which many consider the same thing).
About all we can do is to make submissions of our experience and why such proposed laws may be unreasonable, or un-enforcable, or discriminatory, or lacking in real world data as opposed to "common sense".
However, once these "bad" laws are in place we need to continue to fight them via lobbying efforts and in court. If at all possible, we need to use our collective power (such as it is) to fight these laws.
I am no fan of the "outlaw bikey gangs", but I support their actions to repeal the "anti-association" laws that have been enacted (and declared unconstitutional in some states).
Arnie
This was from last weeks paper. Below is a typical section of the road in question, one of the straighter ones.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8471088576_5783c5d4f0_z.jpg)
It is a magnet for tourists and the lack of overtaking opportunities means the speed of the procession is determined by the slowest vehicle, which is inevitably very slow. There is no where for slow vehicles to pull over.
This photo is of the only overtaking opportunity for miles.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8377/8469993307_22e79db470_b.jpg)
It is also a photo of the police ( circled ) in cammo gear with radar guns pinging bikes overtaking in the shortest possible time, as you do, and of course, going fast as they do so.
The blitz is called "Operation Surreptitious" and has nailed 911 motorists and had 73 vehicles impounded, mostly bikes.
The Police are unapologetic about the tactics and vow to continue quoting the dangers of the road. Yes it is a dangerous road but only in the sections too tight to catch speedsters so they set up shop in a safe section, which also happens to be downhill.
This photo was taken by a pissed off motorist who went back an hunted them out.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8519/8471087142_f61611576b_b.jpg)
Pricks!!!
Noel
I should add, I have great respect for the Police, that is, the ones doing real Police work, it's a bastard of a job. Anyone that has dealt with them at an unfortunate or tragic time will tell you what a great job they do. They should get way more money when on active duty (not manning a desk or a radar gun)
It is disturbing to see the zeal with which the ones seconded from Police work to fund raising activities pursue their quarry.
There also appears to be a generation of young cops coming through the ranks that actually believe what they are doing is about road safety.
This war on motorists and in particular motorcyclists is a PR disaster for the Police Force.
The bottom line with the helmet side of things is I know $200.00 odd dollars is better in my pocket than someone elses, so I'll be going that route I think. All the talk about standing up for rights etc I agree with 110%. How dare these gov't peanuts dictate that a helmet fully passed in testing in the US, that is legal for use in the US, suddenly becomes illegal to use in Australia. Is it less safe???? Prove it to me you stupid dickless peanuts!
The exact same helmet.! :dash2:
They can shove their sticker :mad:
Wow X-Ray! You seem like you are really holding back, let it all out, tell us how you really feel...
Quote from: X-Ray on February 22, 2013, 07:44:06 AM
The bottom line with the helmet side of things is I know $200.00 odd dollars is better in my pocket than someone elses, so I'll be going that route I think. All the talk about standing up for rights etc I agree with 110%. How dare these gov't peanuts dictate that a helmet fully passed in testing in the US, that is legal for use in the US, suddenly becomes illegal to use in Australia. Is it less safe???? Prove it to me you stupid dickless peanuts!
The exact same helmet.! :dash2:
They can shove their sticker :mad:
Not only that, but take a look at the U.S. Rally Pics. Now take a look at Klavdy`s and Baldy`s skulls. Now look at what the guys over there Have ta wear when they play footy! ..... Mate, we make their helmets even stronger!...If we were born in New Zealand ...well then we wouldn`t even need helmets!... They`d probly penalise us for breaking the concrete gutters!
It is a perversion of logic to think this kind of enforcement, like many Radar practices is anything other than power strutting and money raising. I feel sorry for many of the highway patrol guys. ..All that acumen, training, dedication, passion and risk to become a source of internal revenue, rather than an administrator of justice....many are embarrassed and forced to socialise incognito....It is indeed a PR stuff up..but the commercial repercussions do not (naturally) show up on the debt side of an accountant`s ledger.
Any tips to make sure they fit right when purchased over the internet? .. I`m gunna buy one on principle!
The General asked, "Any tips to make sure they fit right when purchased over the internet? .. I`m gunna buy one on principle!"
Yep! Find a retailer here that stocks the helmet you think you want. Find the one that fits. Offer to buy from the Aus retailer for US price +GST. If they refuse your offer...... (and they most likely will because the Aus importer/wholesaler is the real thief) then
Buy from OS online retailer like NewEnough or others when on sale.
Arnie
had a thunk...(past tense of a thought). the only bad thing that i can see is ( flying spaghetti monster forbid) IF you are unlucky enough to meet a tin top/roo/dog/pedestrian/immovable object.... if your helmet isnt australian certified.... insurance? possible dram's with payouts, legislation that type of thing... if they cant nail you to the wall one way there s always the other...... fuggin cahnnsss