okay im working on a budget......
tires/wheels....... i doubt i can afford to do a 17inch rim swap sor for tires can i go wider with stock rims (180/60 -16 insted of 150/80 - 16) also what about the front
f4i shock - they are cheap enough is it difficult to do
blue spots (difficulty and price)
and new frok springs and oil (the rpm fork valve are to much for now)
any input is helpfull as always
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 15, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
okay im working on a budget......
tires/wheels....... i doubt i can afford to do a 17inch rim swap sor for tires can i go wider with stock rims (180/60 -16 insted of 150/80 - 16) also what about the front
f4i shock - they are cheap enough is it difficult to do
blue spots (difficulty and price)
and new frok springs and oil (the rpm fork valve are to much for now)
any input is helpfull as always
Don't go wider on your stock rims. Not even sure if you can find much wider in 16" for the rear. The front will be like cold custard in an old sock, not safe unless you keep it under 45MPH and don't turn. You get radials if you put Avon AV45/46 tires on. I ran on them for a few years, good tires.
f4i shock will be better than stock, good upgrade if on a budget.
Blue dots will not bolt on to your 86/87 unless you get adapter plates or make your own. Upgrading to 89+ FJ forks will work, that is how I did my 17" wheel swap.
Straight rate springs and new fork oil will likely improve the front over the original progressive springs and old oil. Also a good upgrade for a budget. You can play with oil thickness and pre-load to change fork performance.
Consider losing the old brake lines and putting on steel braided lines and HH pads. It will improve the bite during braking and feel more controlled at the lever. Unless you go wider on the front tire, then the old spongy brakes will be just fine under 45 MPH and no corners....
Wider tires offer no advantages. Does anyone even make a 180-16 tire? Maybe a Harley or Goldwing tire? If anything, it would make matter worse by severely distorting the contact patch.
In my opinion (and experience), the best bang for the buck on an early model FJ (with 16 inch front wheel) is to make the conversion to a 17 inch front wheel. I've got several mods on my '85 FJ, but if I had to keep only one it would be the front end conversion. To get the full benefit, proper springs would also be a must.
Cheapest way is to use fork/wheel/brake components from an '89+ FJ.
The handling improvement from this mod was amazimg (be quiet Alf). This mod also lets you do monobloc caliper change when you get around to fitting it in the budget.
DavidR.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on January 15, 2013, 06:54:26 PM
Wider tires offer no advantages. Does anyone even make a 180-16 tire? Maybe a Harley or Goldwing tire? If anything, it would make matter worse by severely distorting the contact patch.
In my opinion (and experience), the best bang for the buck on an early model FJ (with 16 inch front wheel) is to make the conversion to a 17 inch front wheel. I've got several mods on my '85 FJ, but if I had to keep only one it would be the front end conversion. To get the full benefit, proper springs would also be a must.
Cheapest way is to use fork/wheel/brake components from an '89+ FJ.
The handling improvement from this mod was amazimg (be quiet Alf). This mod also lets you do monobloc caliper change when you get around to fitting it in the budget.
DavidR.
David, were you typing when I posted????
I know this is off the farm so please don't laugh to hard. IF you want to stiffen up your front forks on a real budget the go get 2 BMW motorcycle valve springs (old boxer springs, R 100 or what ever) and stack them on top of your existing springs. :wacko2:
George
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 15, 2013, 07:06:31 PM
David, were you typing when I posted????
Must have been. Great minds think alike.
DavidR.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on January 15, 2013, 06:54:26 PM
Wider tires offer no advantages. Does anyone even make a 180-16 tire? Maybe a Harley or Goldwing tire? If anything, it would make matter worse by severely distorting the contact patch.
In my opinion (and experience), the best bang for the buck on an early model FJ (with 16 inch front wheel) is to make the conversion to a 17 inch front wheel. I've got several mods on my '85 FJ, but if I had to keep only one it would be the front end conversion. To get the full benefit, proper springs would also be a must.
Cheapest way is to use fork/wheel/brake components from an '89+ FJ.
The handling improvement from this mod was amazimg (be quiet Alf). This mod also lets you do monobloc caliper change when you get around to fitting it in the budget.
DavidR.
Here is a good website to buy tires. I have used them and was very happy. No problems at all. http://swmotorubber.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_134_136&products_id=616 (http://swmotorubber.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_134_136&products_id=616)
Bridgestone 180/70ZR16 VTX
I used 2 of these tires during my trip from Canada to Panama before I switched over to my Suzuki rim. They make the bike ride a little higher but handled like a totally different bike. Much better in the corners, felt more stable than the usual 150s. Together I put about 25,000 kms on both tires so not bad for mileage considering the roads in Mexico and Central America are not nice, straight and high quality like North America. If you don´t want to change the rim but want a big tire, they work great. They also give it a badass look from the rear also.
What you are doing here is adding the BMW springs as a preload spacer. You'll get the same result by just putting a longer spacer in your forks.
Arnie
Quote from: movenon on January 15, 2013, 07:40:57 PM
I know this is off the farm so please don't laugh to hard. IF you want to stiffen up your front forks on a real budget the go get 2 BMW motorcycle valve springs (old boxer springs, R 100 or what ever) and stack them on top of your existing springs. :wacko2:
George
The OEM 16" rear rim on the FJ is only 3.5" wide.
NONE of the tire or bike manufactures recommend a tire wider than a 150 with the exception of Avon with their 160/80x16. Putting a wider tire than this on your OEM rim is only going to pinch the profile and give you a SMALLER contact patch.
If you want a wider tire for the extra wear and load carrying capacity change to a wider rim.
If you want a wide tire to look "badass" (aka stupid) then change to a wider rim first.
Putting a (too) wide tire on a narrow rim can be dangerous and offers you NO benefits.
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on January 16, 2013, 06:14:05 AM
What you are doing here is adding the BMW springs as a preload spacer. You'll get the same result by just putting a longer spacer in your forks.
Arnie
Quote from: movenon on January 15, 2013, 07:40:57 PM
I know this is off the farm so please don't laugh to hard. IF you want to stiffen up your front forks on a real budget the go get 2 BMW motorcycle valve springs (old boxer springs, R 100 or what ever) and stack them on top of your existing springs. :wacko2:
George
Yes, that will work to. I have done that on other bikes in the past. The springs just happen to be about the same diameter and might be easier to get a hold of. Both ideas work. Going that route is hit or miss and can lead to a lot of time dinking around. Everything is scaled as to how much money and time you have plus what you can get your hands on.
I would like to take a bit of time here to thank you Arnie and the others for your work in reference to GSXR rear wheel conversion and the F4i shock guidance. I am just about ready to pull my rear end down and get into the change. Waiting on the last few bits to arrive.
George
okay so unless some one is selling cheap ass rims ill just put stock size tires on (for this season)
what springs/oil weight would be good (im about 180lbs and some times ride with my girl friend)
ill do brake lines and and pads if i cant find decent priced calipers
what about changing both my m/c the clutch is leaking and the brake mc felles like is crap.
and ill through in an f4i shock
a bit off topic but is street fighering my fj considered bad and also im going to be changing the exhaust and air box if anyone is interested buying them cheap and ill probably have more stock parts for sale cheap as i rip in to her and find things i dont like
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
okay so unless some one is selling cheap ass rims ill just put stock size tires on (for this season)
what springs/oil weight would be good (im about 180lbs and some times ride with my girl friend)
ill do brake lines and and pads if i cant find decent priced calipers
what about changing both my m/c the clutch is leaking and the brake mc felles like is crap.
and ill through in an f4i shock
a bit off topic but is street fighering my fj considered bad and also im going to be changing the exhaust and air box if anyone is interested buying them cheap and ill probably have more stock parts for sale cheap as i rip in to her and find things i dont like
Budgets suck. :ireful:
I have a 17x3" front (I think... I'm in SoCal right now and can't look at it until I get home on Tuesday)
You can have it for shipping cost if you want it.
Quote from: not a lib on January 17, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
...I'm in SoCal right now and can't look at it until I get home on Tuesday
You still coming up to San Fran?
I am 90ish miles east if you want to drop by.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: racerrad8 on January 17, 2013, 05:30:47 PM
Quote from: not a lib on January 17, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
...I'm in SoCal right now and can't look at it until I get home on Tuesday
You still coming up to San Fran?
I am 90ish miles east if you want to drop by.
Randy - RPM
Must be somebody else, Randy. :unknown:
I just got to SD, flying back to the icebox overnight on Sunday (low Tues is forecast to be -2F).
Next time will be a longer trip, I hope.
No worries, I just remember someone saying the were headed west to SF recently.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: not a lib on January 17, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
okay so unless some one is selling cheap ass rims ill just put stock size tires on (for this season)
what springs/oil weight would be good (im about 180lbs and some times ride with my girl friend)
ill do brake lines and and pads if i cant find decent priced calipers
what about changing both my m/c the clutch is leaking and the brake mc felles like is crap.
and ill through in an f4i shock
a bit off topic but is street fighering my fj considered bad and also im going to be changing the exhaust and air box if anyone is interested buying them cheap and ill probably have more stock parts for sale cheap as i rip in to her and find things i dont like
Budgets suck. :ireful:
I have a 17x3" front (I think... I'm in SoCal right now and can't look at it until I get home on Tuesday)
You can have it for shipping cost if you want it.
Yea where are located so I can calculate shipping
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
what springs/oil weight would be good (im about 180lbs and some times ride with my girl friend)
I'd probably put .90 kg/mm fork springs in with 10wt fork oil. If you want it a bit stiffer, use 15wt fork oil.
Make sure you set the preload for proper sag.
ill do brake lines and and pads if i cant find decent priced calipers
You can usually find a complete set of R1 or R6 calipers, lines and master on Ebay pretty cheap. These would still have little use OEM pads installed
what about changing both my m/c the clutch is leaking and the brake mc felles like is crap.
Yeah, what about it? :-) You don't want leaks. Make sure you get a brake m/c that "felles" good.
and ill through in an f4i shock
Be aware that this is not a plug and play change.
Arnie
thank you Arnie for your input
what kind of mods will be needed for the f4i shock
and i will look for the r6 brake setup
what should i get the 4 piston or 6 because i see both when i serch ebay for r6 brakes
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: not a lib on January 17, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 04:46:48 PM
okay so unless some one is selling cheap ass rims ill just put stock size tires on (for this season)
what springs/oil weight would be good (im about 180lbs and some times ride with my girl friend)
ill do brake lines and and pads if i cant find decent priced calipers
what about changing both my m/c the clutch is leaking and the brake mc felles like is crap.
and ill through in an f4i shock
a bit off topic but is street fighering my fj considered bad and also im going to be changing the exhaust and air box if anyone is interested buying them cheap and ill probably have more stock parts for sale cheap as i rip in to her and find things i dont like
Budgets suck. :ireful:
I have a 17x3" front (I think... I'm in SoCal right now and can't look at it until I get home on Tuesday)
You can have it for shipping cost if you want it.
Yea where are located so I can calculate shipping
Shipping would be from 46163, or maybe someone can drag it back up that way when he's down here for SX in a few weeks. :pardon:
okay so it will be around 40 bucks its going to get shipped to 04009
im not sure the size and weight but i did 20in x20 in x 5in for size and 35 lbs so that should be a bit high i think
I was in SF (Redwood Shores actually) last week for 5 days and will be again early next month -not that that is all that relevant. Just throwing it out there...
Dan
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 17, 2013, 06:48:39 PM
thank you Arnie for your input
what kind of mods will be needed for the f4i shock
and i will look for the r6 brake setup
what should i get the 4 piston or 6 because i see both when i serch ebay for r6 brakes
R1/R6 calipers are the same..... also the Warrior cruiser, FZ1, YZF600, and several more. All use the same monobloc calipers. Just don't get the radial calipers, they bolt on differently.
Shipping would be from 46163, or maybe someone can drag it back up that way when he's down here for SX in a few weeks. :pardon:
He may, but you will need to PM him, he hasn't been on here much lately. He does show up for shop/drink night, reagurly. :good2:
Bob W
Quote from: weymouth399 on January 18, 2013, 08:40:57 AM
Shipping would be from 46163, or maybe someone can drag it back up that way when he's down here for SX in a few weeks. :pardon:
He may, but you will need to PM him, he hasn't been on here much lately. He does show up for shop/drink night, reagurly. :good2:
Bob W
Well, I could do that, except that he doesn't appear to be a member here anymore, and I seem to have lost his contact info. :scratch_one-s_head:
I have no prob finding him here, :sarcastic: pm me and I'll have him get ahold of you. :dash2:
Bob W
so where and what chain should i get i need a new drive chain
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 28, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
so where and what chain should i get i need a new drive chain
Get the highest tensile X or O ring 530 chain you can find (most folk seem to go for DID brand, but there are others up to the task - I use EK, RK is another that comes to mind).
Also, I generally make a point of changing to new sprockets when I renew chain, but I guess it depends on the depth of your pocket and the state of your existing sprockets.
Cheers
Harvy
Any good quality chain should work, brand is more personal preference than anything. It's not a place to go cheap, unfortunately. EK ZZZ is unbeatably strong and is my choice. Because the chains aren't cheap, I too do sprockets at the same time unless they're very new.
How often should the chain be changed?
My sprockets needs replacement so investing in quality products is what i prefer, have seen alot of different brands to different prices. Being a newbee its not that easy to differ the quality from the junk sometimes.
Cheers
Ken
thank you yes i am doing sprockets and going with the 18/39 to save a little gas
here are some that seam oddly cheap but meet the requirments
http://www.jcwhitney.com/did-gold-premium-x-ring/p2029991.jcwx?skuId=1027085&filterid=d58564y1986j1 (http://www.jcwhitney.com/did-gold-premium-x-ring/p2029991.jcwx?skuId=1027085&filterid=d58564y1986j1)
http://www.jcwhitney.com/ek-zzz-series-extreme-sport-bike-chains/p2030002.jcwx?skuId=1027346&filterid=d58564y1986j1 (http://www.jcwhitney.com/ek-zzz-series-extreme-sport-bike-chains/p2030002.jcwx?skuId=1027346&filterid=d58564y1986j1)
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 29, 2013, 04:13:11 AM
here are some that seam oddly cheap but meet the requirments
Part # says its a master link, but others are selling that link at half their price. So it's either a bad deal on a master link or a really good deal on a chain!
I was gonna say, that's just for the single master link, and not a good price either. Figure about $200 should be in the ballpark.
okay thank you for clearifying that
i missed that part
what is the normal pitch/ length of an 86 fj chain
Don't you have google in front of you? Sheesh.
On stock gearing, 110 links of 530 chain will suffice. If you've gone to 18/42 or something, it may not. Cutting a chain longer is difficult.
Quote from: keand3 on January 29, 2013, 03:01:52 AM
How often should the chain be changed?
My sprockets needs replacement so investing in quality products is what i prefer, have seen alot of different brands to different prices. Being a newbee its not that easy to differ the quality from the junk sometimes.
Cheers
Ken
Ken, If your sprockets need replacing, its very likely your chain is shagged also........the usual culprit with hooked teeth on the sprockets and/or enlarged inter-tooth gap is a stretched or otherwise stuffed chain. Replace front and rear sprockets and chain and you should be good to go.
As to how often - well MY rule is if the adjusters have gone about 3/4 of their travel towards the rear, the chain is too far stretched for me.
A really good quality (read hi-priced) chain will last a long time - mine has now done 50,000 Kms and has been minimally adjusted twice since it was installed. I am thinking it has every chance of going another 50,000 before I replace it. Keep it lubricated!
HTH
Harvy
Quote from: andyb on January 29, 2013, 05:10:39 PM
Don't you have google in front of you? Sheesh.
On stock gearing, 110 links of 530 chain will suffice. If you've gone to 18/42 or something, it may not. Cutting a chain longer is difficult.
thats what i thought i just wanted to double check (you cant always believe google) if i put an 18/39 gearing on it will stock chain fit
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 29, 2013, 05:42:18 PM
Quote from: andyb on January 29, 2013, 05:10:39 PM
Don't you have google in front of you? Sheesh.
On stock gearing, 110 links of 530 chain will suffice. If you've gone to 18/42 or something, it may not. Cutting a chain longer is difficult.
thats what i thought i just wanted to double check (you cant always believe google) if i put an 18/39 gearing on it will stock chain fit
It "should" but to be on the safe side, buy 120 links and cut to suit.
Harvy
just ordered my sprockets im still searching for a good chain at a good price 200+ is to much for me looking more for 100 to 150 max
i know this has been asked million times (including by me) but if i use unipods from rpm and a 4 into 1 exhaust what jet sizes should i use
thanks again
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 29, 2013, 06:27:08 PM
just ordered my sprockets im still searching for a good chain at a good price 200+ is to much for me looking more for 100 to 150 max
Best I can find with a quick look on eBay in the US is $160 with free shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Chain-530-ZZZ-Zero-Stretch-120-Links-Gold-/390533028218?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5aed95197a&_uhb=1#ht_2344wt_908 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Chain-530-ZZZ-Zero-Stretch-120-Links-Gold-/390533028218?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5aed95197a&_uhb=1#ht_2344wt_908)
Harvy
Thank you
Quote from: Harvy on January 29, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
$160 with free shipping:
That's a good deal. They're not kidding about the zero stretch.
air filters, chain, jets, and f4i shock all odered today :yahoo:
Quote from: moonrunnah on February 03, 2013, 02:21:32 PM
air filters, chain, jets, and f4i shock all odered today :yahoo:
Your wheel should be shipping out tomorrow, too. :yes:
thank you so much what do i owe you and what tire size did you run on that??
Quote from: moonrunnah on February 03, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
thank you so much what do i owe you and what tire size did you run on that??
I won't know how much it costs until I ship it tomorrow. :unknown:
Stock size for the rim is 120/70/17.
okay thank you
also exhaust is ordered :good2: (this bike is going to make me poor)
Quote from: moonrunnah on February 03, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
okay thank you
also exhaust is ordered :good2: (this bike is going to make me poor)
Poor, but happy....
Quote from: moonrunnah on February 03, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
okay thank you
also exhaust is ordered :good2: (this bike is going to make me poor)
What kind of exhaust? Nothing like a empty wallet :good2: I try to spend it all on my bike before my wife gets them.... And damn shes fast too! :wacko3:
Cheers...
Quote from: keand3 on February 03, 2013, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: moonrunnah on February 03, 2013, 03:18:02 PM
okay thank you
also exhaust is ordered :good2: (this bike is going to make me poor)
What kind of exhaust? Nothing like a empty wallet :good2: I try to spend it all on my bike before my wife gets them.... And damn shes fast too! :wacko3:
Cheers...
its a super trap 4-1 i snaged it used off of ebay looks like shell need some sanding and high temp paint but i dont mind putting my own touches on it (and saving a few bucks)
Ahh... Thats nice.. What would we do without eBay... Not much i guess :pardon:
Quote from: keand3 on February 03, 2013, 03:40:24 PM
Ahh... Thats nice.. What would we do without eBay... Not much i guess :pardon:
between ebay and amazon im rebuilding the fj haha
In other words, you've got your hands full :good2:
I'm gonna my bike repainted asap, just waiting for my new top fairing to arrive :drinks:
Quote from: keand3 on February 03, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
In other words, you've got your hands full :good2:
I'm gonna my bike repainted asap, just waiting for my new top fairing to arrive :drinks:
paint is on the list (the long list)
but where its still averaging 20 deg F i cant spray (plus im hoping to get a new paint gun)
Money may not be able to buy you happiness, but Paypal can!
DavidR.
jets and air filters done
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o790/moonrunnah1/IMG_0214_zpse8eb4b4f.jpg)
had some trouble with one of the post that hold the float in (a little jb stick weld helped me out)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o790/moonrunnah1/IMG_0204_zpsccb8687f.jpg)
(http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o790/moonrunnah1/IMG_0213_zpsc1d4a8c5.jpg)
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 15, 2013, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: moonrunnah on January 15, 2013, 05:40:23 PM
okay im working on a budget......
tires/wheels....... i doubt i can afford to do a 17inch rim swap sor for tires can i go wider with stock rims (180/60 -16 insted of 150/80 - 16) also what about the front
f4i shock - they are cheap enough is it difficult to do
blue spots (difficulty and price)
and new frok springs and oil (the rpm fork valve are to much for now)
any input is helpfull as always
Don't go wider on your stock rims. Not even sure if you can find much wider in 16" for the rear. The front will be like cold custard in an old sock, not safe unless you keep it under 45MPH and don't turn. You get radials if you put Avon AV45/46 tires on. I ran on them for a few years, good tires.
f4i shock will be better than stock, good upgrade if on a budget.
Blue dots will not bolt on to your 86/87 unless you get adapter plates or make your own. Upgrading to 89+ FJ forks will work, that is how I did my 17" wheel swap.
Straight rate springs and new fork oil will likely improve the front over the original progressive springs and old oil. Also a good upgrade for a budget. You can play with oil thickness and pre-load to change fork performance.
Consider losing the old brake lines and putting on steel braided lines and HH pads. It will improve the bite during braking and feel more controlled at the lever. Unless you go wider on the front tire, then the old spongy brakes will be just fine under 45 MPH and no corners....
Hello fjmonkey I have a 1989 fj; and over the week end I looked at blue dot caliper off of a first generation R1; and the bolt pattern was wider please give the the year that I should be looking for. Thanks gonzajr
Quote from: gonzajr on April 25, 2013, 01:46:01 AM
Hello fjmonkey I have a 1989 fj; and over the week end I looked at blue dot caliper off of a first generation R1; and the bolt pattern was wider please give the the year that I should be looking for. Thanks gonzajr
The Blue Dot calipers I on my bike have 100MM bolt centers. What do yours measure?
Maybe your forks are early fj, do they have anti dive,, I've used r1 and. Xjr blue spots of different years, no worries on fitment, unless you have radial mount ones
Quote from: FJmonkey on April 25, 2013, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: gonzajr on April 25, 2013, 01:46:01 AM
Hello fjmonkey I have a 1989 fj; and over the week end I looked at blue dot caliper off of a first generation R1; and the bolt pattern was wider please give the the year that I should be looking for. Thanks gonzajr
The Blue Dot calipers I on my bike have 100MM bolt centers. What do yours measure?
Hello it is 82.5 mm 3 7/16" center bolt to center bolt. and no a,b,s,. There is a adjustment valve mounted on the front of the shock
I read that is for capacity or weight. If I go with a Fazer 600, 1000, M/C and don't change calipers is that a nooo no. I may need a adapter.
Thanks // gonzajr
Gonzajr, if the forks look like this:
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Yamaha%20FJ1200%2086%20%204.jpg)
Then you have a strangely-marked machine that is not what most would consider an 89, though it may have been sold as one, or potentially a bike that has a different front end on it. I'd suggest re-measuring the c-c spacing on those caliper bolts, unless I am mistaken the earlier ones were 88mm. The valve that rides ahead and above the axle is the antidive unit, not to be confused with an ABS set of forks (which all had 100mm caliper spacing on the FJ).
Any external adjustments that the fork has will be at the top of them, near the ignition, rather than near the axle.
It's also possible that they're not FJ forks at all, and possibly not even originally yamaha forks, which opens a whole world of strange options.
If you can take a clear picture, that'd help significantly in identifying what you're working with.
Yep, the blue dots are a straight bolt-on to any FJ that came with 4-piston calipers. '89 thru '93.....