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Title: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
What started of as an easy job, turned out to be a disaster.

I managed to track down another Metzeler 120/80 VB16 CompK for the front (same as what was on it previously)

Wasn't easy, as Metz don't make em anymore as frar as I'm aware.  I liked the performance of the tyre, so was hell bent on hunting another down.

Anyhoo - I booked a slot at the local garage to take my pre-removed wheel and replace with the new rubber boot.  How long?  5 minutes?

1. Raised front of bike with paddock stand, undid fork-brace nuts and removed front mudguard. Put mudguard to one side, forgot, stood up to go into house and answer phone....and stood on the f'king  thing.  A loud crack and much swearing followed.  By the time I got to the door, the phone stopped ringing.  :ireful:

2. Back to bike. Undid the calipers, pinch bolts etc and removed wheel by tapping axle through with the drift. Spacer fell out and rolled into drain. :shok: Wheel dropped down completely as I was occupied with watching where the spacer went. As wheel dropped with the weight of it, it landed and knocked the left fork - which now turned away from the paddock stand..... :sorry:

3. Fork decided to not like the paddock stand supporting it by just 1/2 a millimeter (thats all it was gripping by now), so........it thought "fk it", and the whole front end slid off it completely.  :ireful: :bomb:

4. Panic, and get neighbour to fetch his axle stands and the car jack.  Jack up one side of frame, insert axle stand, and repeat other side.

Bike now secure, and back to the tyre fitting.....

Front tyre fitted by mechanic, and blown up with nitrogen.  All good.  NOT.

Came home, and discovered trye fitted the WRONG way round (well, you assume they'd do it right and no need to check)  :sorry:

Garage now closed for the night (I was the last customer).  Bike outside, blocking the public path, so can't shift that.

Called the area manager to get a dork back down and refit my tyre.  Yes, I demanded they open up the garage just for me, and they pay for the stupidity.

He agreed, and arrived within 10 minutes.

It took him 3 goes at putting the tyre on the RIGHT way (even he screwed it up.  Despite me marking the rim with arrows to show them which way it goes).

Then, he couldn't get it to seat on the rim with blowing up.

Up, down....batter it with a rubber hammer.....nope...still not seating right.

I told him to break the side again, add more soap, and re-inflate (I've fitted many a bike tyre in my time when helping out on a saturday at a bike shop) .
Nope - he wasn't having it - and upped the tyre pressure to 80 PSI in the hope it would pop on the rim.  :negative:

Eventually, he did what I suggested, and 2 minutes later the tyre was good to go.

All in all, I was there AN HOUR with him faffing about with what should have been a 5 minute job.

Anyhoo, wheel back home, fitted, but bike not ridden yet due to heavy winds and icy roads (not a good combo for a new tyre to bed in).

I'm sorry I can't write anymore, as this is doing my head in - the web page box where you write keeps jumping up and down, and I can't see what I have written.  Anyone else get that glitch?  Its driving me mad.  You use the slide bar at the side, and work the mouse to where you can see where you are on the line, and as soon as you type again, BANG, it jumps back up about 10 lines and you are writing blind!
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: FJmonkey on November 22, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
Wow!!! What a day and ordeal just to get new rubber. I get that problem on my work computer, really annoying, it prevents me from getting any work done having to keep pulling the bottom of the screen back into view.... I need to file a complaint with the IT department.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Pat Conlon on November 22, 2012, 03:12:05 PM
Dave, I know that you don't want to hear this, but, be careful buying tires that have been discontinued.
Tires age. They get hard. They can sit around for years before you buy them.

Do you know the month/year Metzler made your tire?
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Mark Olson on November 22, 2012, 03:13:31 PM
It seems to me that every shop i go to for tires always has the dumbest ,lamest ,retarded,helmet wearing dipshit working the mounting and balance machine.

with something that is so important ,why put a dumb-ass in that position? :unknown:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 04:47:35 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 22, 2012, 03:12:05 PM
Do you know the month/year Metzler made your tire?

It's ok, I don't mind hearing the advice - I was very wary myself before seeking one out, knowing that rubber can crack and harden.  But, the options out there for my 16 inch front was very limited, and more over, the funds would not allow a new £100 ($120) tyre.

So, I made the choice to hunt for another tyre the same. Sort of on a "stick to what I knew".

The Metz I bought (using the tyre code on the side) was made in Feb 2008 (the code is 208)

According to Metzeler dating, the first number is the month, followed by the year.

I'm hoping that as it's the ME33 CompK, it may have aged slightly better on the shelf, due to it being a "softer" compound.

Time will tell, and I hope all goes ok when I manage to get the bike out on the road this week to see that's it does what it should.

For the price I paid, if I get at least 1000 miles out of it before it cracks or leaks, I'll be a happy bunny. (the front tyre I just replaced was already on the bike when I bought it and had covered approximately 600 miles, and I added just under 3000 miles more on it)

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As for the garage what fitted it - it was the British ATS tyre exhaust centre - ONLY for cars and vans and trucks.

They DO NOT do bikes, and have no means to balance the wheel afterwards.

They will fit a bike tyre though, but they charge you for a car fitting.

Where I stay is a bit of a pain, as there are only 3 garages in town, and they all are for cars/vans or agricultural tractors etc.

It's a gamble as to whether they fuk your rims up on the machine with the removal and fitting - so far, I've been lucky.  Rim protectors?  don't make me laugh!

They fitted a new valve into my front tyre and now I can't get the airline on it due to it being well above the disc line! - they fitted a tubeless CAR valve.  Which will explain why they also struggled to attach their airline onto it. :ireful:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 22, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
I get that problem on my work computer, really annoying, it prevents me from getting any work done having to keep pulling the bottom of the screen back into view.... I need to file a complaint with the IT department.

Could you file one with this IT dept too please Mr. Mon?  It happens on every post I reply to.  I get on ok with maybe 5 or 6 lines, but after that, it just stops following you down the page.  Yes, you can keep typing, but you can't see it.

The only way to find what you've written, is to use the mouse and drag the page down.  Then, as soon as you hit any button, the page jumps back to the point where it originally sticks.  It's like the whole page/text box you are working in is "stuttering".  It's damn annoying and a nightmare to try and see what spelling mistakes are there, in order to correct them.

If I had hair left, I'd be pulling that out at this time.....
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Dan Filetti on November 22, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 11:35:19 AM
I'm sorry I can't write anymore, as this is doing my head in - the web page box where you write keeps jumping up and down, and I can't see what I have written.  Anyone else get that glitch?  Its driving me mad. 

I've had this problem on an iPad.

Dan
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Dan Filetti on November 22, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
I've had this problem on an iPad.

Hey there Dan!

Do you mean you get that problem in general, as in, "thats an i-pad glitch", or did you mean you are having the same problem when using THIS site, when using your i-pad?

I'm just running a home computer.  Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, with IE-8.

If I resort to 32bit and try compatability mode, it still happens. Hopefully, someone can fix the bug/glitch/problem. One for the Admin to scratch their heads over methinks!

H2H :drinks:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: tmkaos on November 22, 2012, 07:22:07 PM
Quote from: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 07:15:45 PM

I'm just running a home computer.  Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, with IE-8.


H2H :drinks:

Try using mozilla firefox as a browser. Been using it for about 3 years now, off IE for life. Firefox has less glitches by far than IE in my experience. Computer runs faster too.

James
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: tmkaos on November 22, 2012, 07:22:07 PMTry using mozilla firefox as a browser....less glitches than IE...Computer runs faster too.

I shall look into it and have a browse in the morning James.  Thanks for the recommendation Sir!  :good2:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: FJmonkey on November 22, 2012, 08:43:11 PM
I log in to this sight from 4 different devices, the only one that has this issue is my work PC, WinXP 32 with IE 8 I think. My home PC is Win7 64 with FireFox.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: andyb on November 22, 2012, 10:06:47 PM
In firefox, you can disable autoscrolling and/or change the zoom level to often fix that.  In Internet Explorer, it's probably possible, but it's polishing a turd at that point.

2008 tire?  It's junk.  Might be better than what you had, but that's old enough that even the tire companies will suggest you don't use it.  Tires don't soften, they harden as they age.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: racerman_27410 on November 22, 2012, 10:39:53 PM
its really not that hard to build a bead breaker with some 2x4 ....A valve core tool, 4 tire irons and bleach bottle rim savers would do the trick. Then you would just need a small compressor to blow it back up = Job done right the first time.

A ratchet tie down strap around the center of the tire means much less air pressure required to seat the bead  (smaller compressors will work this way)



I just refuse to pay someone to FK up my stuff. :dash1:


KOokaloo!

Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Mark Olson on November 23, 2012, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: racerman_27410 on November 22, 2012, 10:39:53 PM




I just refuse to pay someone to FK up my stuff. :dash1:


KOokaloo!




WORD  :yes:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: yamaha fj rider on November 24, 2012, 09:36:32 PM
Sorry to hear about all the problems with installing the tyre, glad you got it all worked out. I would not be afraid of a four year old tyre. Enjoy

Kurt
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 06:47:32 AM
Quote from: yamaha fj rider on November 24, 2012, 09:36:32 PM
Sorry to hear about all the problems.....I would not be afraid of a four year old tyre

Aww gee, thanks Kurt.  I guess the problems are, that I stay in a one horse town, where the one horse died years ago.

I'm also registered disabled, and struggle doing some things on my own (neighbour is a GREAT help to me when I need help).

As for the tyre: it's kept the pressure up so far. I had the bike out yesterday to collect my 15kg bag of dog food. (invest in a sticky non slip mat, and lay across pillion seat and K2 panniers....slap bag of food on top and hold by just 2 bungee cords! - doesn't shift even at 120mph!.....yes, I hit that on a straight road....with the new front tyre....still alive......)

Sorry  :sorry:......waffled a bit....back to the 4 year old new tyre:

It's a damn sight better than what I had before!! (i had the same tyre, but it was as bald as an old coot after 3600 miles).

I'll just ride with it on, and not think about the what ifs. (I don't have any other option available for now!)

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How many bikers (and I'm talking about ALL bike riders) check how old their tyre is?  :unknown:

I mean, we go to a garage, ask the shop to fit or supply...and they leave with new rubber, oblivious of whether or not it was made 2 months ago, or 2 years ago.

WHO CHECKS?  I bet the majority say "we don't or never have done". Yes, for the racers and drag strip boys, they will check everything, but for everyday folk who ride bikes, I bet there's only a small few who will ask the date BEFORE the tyre is fitted.

That means, there are MANY riders out there with garage fitted/supplied new tyres, and have no idea how old they are.

Here's an experiment....can you ALL go check the age/date of manufacture code on your tyres, and then get back to me.

I bet there are lots of "new" tyres, just bought and fitted, that may be older than 2 years!

People buy tyres from the internet, from what seems like a "decent" company (be it eBay or Amazon).  But, those suppliers (although they have a few in stock) may have had the tyre sitting on the shelf for donkeys years.  But it's still new!

Just a thought!  So - Y'all get on yer knees and read off the date codes.  (The supplier websites can show you how to date them)

There may be a few surprises out there in FJ land!

Toodles!  :good2:

Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: andyb on November 25, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
Quote from: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 06:47:32 AM

It's a damn sight better than what I had before!! (i had the same tyre, but it was as bald as an old coot after 3600 miles).


Figured it would be.  It's one of the great difficulties in comparing tires that you've owned over the years, each new one is a nice upgrade to the worn thing you took off!

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How many bikers (and I'm talking about ALL bike riders) check how old their tyre is?  :unknown:

I mean, we go to a garage, ask the shop to fit or supply...and they leave with new rubber, oblivious of whether or not it was made 2 months ago, or 2 years ago.

WHO CHECKS?  I bet the majority say "we don't or never have done". Yes, for the racers and drag strip boys, they will check everything, but for everyday folk who ride bikes, I bet there's only a small few who will ask the date BEFORE the tyre is fitted.

That means, there are MANY riders out there with garage fitted/supplied new tyres, and have no idea how old they are.

Here's an experiment....can you ALL go check the age/date of manufacture code on your tyres, and then get back to me.



I do my own tire changes.  I check the manufacture date of every tire I put on, every time.  I also check and double check which way the stupid thing is supposed to rotate... that's one of those mistakes that you make once, and right after the bead seats and you're feeling great, your wife asks why the arrow is facing the wrong direction.   :dash2: :dash2:

Not that I'm bitter.

And seeing as I've not checked my tires in awhile, because I checked when I put them on, let me go look and I'll tell ya.  The ZX9's rubber was changed at 38,800 miles on the odo, which was 3/30/2012, with Bridgestone BT-023GT's.  Both tires have a date code from the middle of 2011, and with slightly over 4,000mi and 57 dragstrip passes are looking decidedly sad.  The front is starting to get a funny profile, and the back is nearly down to the wear bars.  Both will be replaced in the spring.  The FJ's tires were applied in July of 2010, are dated from 2009, and still pretty much look new, as they have very few miles on them.  I didn't check the other bikes, as the KZ doesn't run without dumping oil at a mad rate, the XS doesn't run without ether, and the VF runs brilliantly but hasn't bee run in two years.

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I bet there are lots of "new" tyres, just bought and fitted, that may be older than 2 years!

People buy tyres from the internet, from what seems like a "decent" company (be it eBay or Amazon).  But, those suppliers (although they have a few in stock) may have had the tyre sitting on the shelf for donkeys years.  But it's still new!
That's why I buy from reputable dealers and check the date codes.. :)  Personally, I buy my tires from DennisKirk as a rule, as they'll pricematch and they ship from MN, so I wait two days to get them rather than a week from the coasts.  They don't carry Shinko (or didn't, the last I checked), and the FJ wears an odd size, so I last got one from Schnitz, which is also in the midwest and doesn't take as long to arrive.




Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: ribbert on November 25, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
When I still had my 16" rear I was tyre hunting on the phone. I rang one place, told him what I was after (Michelin Macadam) and he informed me he had a couple but suggested I really didn't want one. WTF?
He said the last batch of those brought into the country was 5 years ago, so at best, any tyre I found on the shelf was at least 5 years old.

With the miles  I do and the tyres I like, they are an annual purchase, so they don't get old on the bike and there is so much good stuff happening with tyre technology I tend to buy tyres that haven't been out long enough to get that old on the shelf.

Age will eventually turn tyres rock hard and the State I live in is considering making tyres automatically unroadworthy after 5 years. As much as I hate Govt. over regulation, I don't think this is a bad idea.

Noel
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: SlowOldGuy on November 25, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
After finally wearing out what was probably the last 150/80 - 16 Metzeler MEZ-2 in the world, it was replaced with what is probably the second to last 16 inch Dunlop D205 in the world.

The date on the Metzeler was early '02.  The date on the Dunlop is 4102.

Oh yeah, what is probably the last 16 inch D205 in the world is sitting on my tire shelf.  It also has a date code of 4102!

DavidR.

Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 10:38:36 AM
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on November 25, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
The date on the Metzeler was early '02.  The date on the Dunlop is 4102......the 16 inch D205 sitting on my tire shelf has a date code of 4102!

VERY INTERESTING! - and many thanks for that David!  :good:

Hmmm - now I know theres not just me in the world that has "over dated" tyres fitted (or to fit).  :dance:*phew!

I can't see how it's possible that everyone will have "split new-just made-rubber still warm" tyres.  These manufacturers punted them out at a phenomenal rate years ago.  They were bought and sold and stocked all over the world, so there are thousands of places that must have ordered some back in day, never sold any, or still have a few left.  Hence the "new old stock" that frequently turns up.

This interests me now, as I wonder if it's not all hype about fitting old tyres.  OK, I don't mean it's ALL hype, and I can understand the concerns...but I have never known a tyre to go solid (as a brick) with age as it sits on a shelf.  And I would never fit a new old tyre that was showing signs of wear/cracking/perishing.

Yes, I have experienced tyres FITTED to a bike that was laid up in a shed for 20 years - they were perished and hard/split/cracked.

But a new unfitted tyre has not been exposed to pressure changes, belting stresses or the various changing road and weather conditions.  They've hopefully been sat on a shelf or laid flat, and never experienced the full weight of a bike on the one spot for months.

That's why I personally think they should be ok to use.  (I would not risk my life if I was sure it was REALLY a bad move).  I have never read a tyre report or a test of using motorcycle tyres that are "out of date" or manufactured say 10 years ago, and then fitted.  I'd be curious to read a review and performance test on various brands.  Just to convince me that it's not a ploy for tyre makers to sell more new tyres by not recommending we buy the "new old stock".

As an example: what about all those old british bikes? You can still buy (once you find) ORIGINAL 1940/50s and 60s tyres, and fit them AND run them too!

Ok, they are not doing 120mph plus, but the theory is still the same. It's an old tyre, but new and never fitted.  My '56 BSA has original tyres fitted from a dealer that shut down 20 years ago. He had them on the shelf, new, and they were made in 1954!!

As said at the top, many thanks for that SuperOldGuy, and my apologies for another long winded, waffle filled post.

Honest...I'm only 42....not 92!

:good2: :drinks:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: andyb on November 25, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
let me go look and I'll tell ya......

Many thanks for doing that Andy.  It's good to get everyones views and opinions!  I envy you being able to buy fresh rubber!

H2H
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: ribbert on November 25, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
I tend to buy tyres that haven't been out long enough to get that old on the shelf.....The State I live in is considering making tyres automatically unroadworthy after 5 years.

Hello Noel.  That's another vote for buying rubber thats still warm from the moulding then?!  I gotta admit, it must be great being able to afford that, and I envy you all!  This proposed Government thing for making it illegal to have a tyre over 5 years old will cripple a hell-of-a-lot of folk.

Unless they come out with a precise, scientific survey and assesment about why 5 year old tyres are any more dangerous that a 3 year old tyre, I think they might have a public fight on their hands. This may cripple a lot of dealers, who have shed-loads of "new, but old stock" tyres sitting in the back.  They may be perfectly ok to use. Not all dealers can afford to re-supply every year with new rubber.  What would the disposal system be for literally tens of thousands of old ones?

All these poor buggers that are building/restoring their bikes/cars in the shed/garage.  Their wheels are hanging up, and the tyres on them are sound and ok.  But when they get to the finish and have the vehicle road tested/MOT, they fail or get fined cos the tyres are 5 years old - and never been on the road!  :shok:

I wonder what is going to happen to all the classic bike riders out there - the Nortons/BSAs/Velos/ etc.  Bike only ever used on sunny days...perhaps a few hundred miles a year....stored in a shed....and will fail the tyres cos they are now "unroadworthy" after the bike taking 5 years to reach a thousand miles!

I thought british Government rules and regulations were bizarre...but reading about some of Australia and New Zealands, I feel really sorry for you guys!   :sorry: :empathy3:
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: FJmonkey on November 25, 2012, 11:18:18 AM
One of the elements that attacks tires is Oxygen. Oxidization alters the rubber compound slowly over the years. Heat and UV radiation help the deterioration go even faster. Stored in a warehouse still allows Oxidization unless they fill the tire storage area with a inert blanket gas to keep the oxygen out. Then they would likely store indefinitely with no ill effects. And tire cost would be insane. Check your tire dates, ride accordingly. We already make decisions to partake in risky activities by riding our bikes, so understand the risk(s) and stay as safe as you can.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Pat Conlon on November 25, 2012, 12:01:43 PM
I have to respectfully disagree with my friend DavidR.

Tires made on the 41st week of 2002 have no business on a 120hp FJ that is capable of the speed and loads we carry. *Period*

Old tires on a lightly ridden classic bike is one thing, but on our FJ's... it is a entirely different matter.


But hey, it's your skin (literally) .......Just remind me 'cause I don't want to be caught riding behind you.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: andyb on November 25, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 25, 2012, 11:18:18 AM
One of the elements that attacks tires is Oxygen.

Specifically, ozone, which is a really powerful oxidizer.

I have to say that it's much more likely for people to find hard, old tires fitted to bikes that were stored for years, because most people store our tires on a bike!  Not very many people go buy tires and then let them moulder in the garage for ten years or so, so it makes sense that you'll see them more commonly aged while on a motorcycle!

Arguably, storing them mounted is better, because there's no air circulation inside; once the oxidization has happened, there's just inert gas in there (mostly nitrogen and CO2), so they can only oxidize on the outside after that.  Doesn't matter to me, it's the only contact I have with the road, and if there's any question, I don't use them.

I figure that a good tire coupled with skill will keep my ass off the pavement, but a great tire will occasionally help in those moments when I run out of talent.  It's like a helmet, you don't need it every single time, but it's sure helpful when you do, and so very difficult to predict when that time will be (excluding the 3 seconds directly prior!)  I've crashed pretty badly before because of exactly that situation; I had an acceptably worn tire of an older style and many years aged and ran out of talent.  I'm sure that had I been shod with nicer rubber, I'd have had less painful results.  

That said, there isn't a definite hard line, tires more than 1,824 days aren't instantly bad but tires 1,823 days are okay until sundown.  More likely, they go bad progressively and linearly over time, getting worse and worse, starting from the day they're made.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Pat Conlon on November 25, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: Anti-Dive Dave on November 25, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
..... I envy you being able to buy fresh rubber!

Dave, that's one of the many reasons we did our 17" wheel conversions, so we don't have to worry about old rubber. As a bonus, often the modern 17" tires are on sale and are readily available world wide...
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: RichBaker on November 26, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: Anti-Dive Dave on November 22, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Dan Filetti on November 22, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
I've had this problem on an iPad.

Hey there Dan!

Do you mean you get that problem in general, as in, "thats an i-pad glitch", or did you mean you are having the same problem when using THIS site, when using your i-pad?

I'm just running a home computer.  Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, with IE-8.

If I resort to 32bit and try compatability mode, it still happens. Hopefully, someone can fix the bug/glitch/problem. One for the Admin to scratch their heads over methinks!

H2H :drinks:

Same prob here, 32-bit PC/XP/IE8...
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: BSI on November 26, 2012, 11:04:00 PM
the weirdest thing I ever saw was with my trailer tires....they came on the used trailer and while they didn't match they had lots of tread, one was a Michellin, the other a Firestone...I hauled stuff around local with no problem

when I bought my 86' FJ the carbs were junk so I hauled it 60 miles on trailer to a motorcycle mechanic friend...then hauled it back home, lots of interstate but I kept it around 60-65 mph, got home, unloaded and parked the trailer with no problem

2 weeks later my neighbor came over to borrow my trailer....we both were shocked and just looked at each other stunned when we saw my trailer tires...it looked like someone had put explosives in both of them....they were both flat with steel cords sticking out everywhere and the tread cap separated like a peeled onion on one of them

all we could figure was the heat cycle of 60 (x2) miles/60mph/500 lbs got the best of them..but why it happened while setting still without doing it at speed with 500 lbs on it, I have no clue...a ~blessing~ doesn't always need to be explained to me and I thankfully took it as that...but it heightened my awareness of the risk associated with tires to say the least...it's still strange when I vision it, they didn't just go flat, they both literally disintegrated / blew apart just setting there
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Dan Filetti on November 27, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
Hmmm, never saw the question, must have been between pages....  So for me, on the iPad/ Safari, it happens consistently, not sure if it's a Safari thing or an iPad thing, or just a Dan's iPad thing...

Dan
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Flying Scotsman on November 27, 2012, 10:33:24 AM
My computer does the invisible type thing after so many lines  :dash2:

I have a new front tire siting in my garage has been there for more than a year.Avon.Going to go on in spring.
When I bought my 85 it had a Maxis on the front and rear.
Changed rear to Dunlop and left the maxis on front.Its prety mutch a slick now but has good grip when conditions are good.(not cold ).
Not sure the date on the Avon I did check when I bought it but its been a whille.
Its in great condition feells soft and I got it for $60 when i bought it.I am looking forward to testing it out.

If anyone is sitting on new tires that are a few years old and they dont want them I could always use a few more for one of the other bikes.

1984 FJ1100 Front ? Rear ?
1985 FJ1100 Front Maxis Rear Dunlop
1990 FJ1200 Front Michelin Rear Michelin

Just bought the 84 it needs every thing inc tires front is ok looking but some off brand low speed tire and the rear is 1/2 bald and dry and cracked good only for a burnout after refilling with air.
1990 has a slow leak in the rear as well and I think that its on backwards too.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Flying Scotsman on November 27, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
Ran out of page so started over.
1985 needs a front .I have one .
1990 needs rear rotated and properly installed.In spring.
1984 needs front and rear.Also this spring or when bike has progressed far enough to justify purchase.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 27, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
 :shok:

CRIKEY Scots....that's a lot of rubber needing fitted / sorted out!  I guess that's one of the "downfalls" of owning many bikes.  :sorry:  (I know...how on Earth can owning heaps of FJs be a "downfall?")

But the running costs must be horrendous!  I have entertained the idea of getting another FJ (same 1TX) and had a view to make a good un out of the two, but then I thought....hmmm...what about another to RIDE.  And then reality kicked in...  More bikes, means more tyres and parts....extra insurance and road tax (UK) and I can't afford that.

The advantage of the old BSA, is that it qualifies for FREE historic road tax (still have to display a disc), and since October this year, no MOT is required anymore. Spares are quite expensive (to my budget) and she's on original tyres made in the 1950s.  But to take on another FJ would be unjustifiable (unless I win the lottery).

If I DO win the lottery, then no-one will ever see another FJ for sale, as I'll buy them ALL.  They'll be mine I tell ya....ALL MINE....mwah-ha-ha-hah!!!   :crazy: (*rubs hands whilsts thunder and lightning strikes)

How anyone can ride all their collection AND keep them insured, maintained and fitted with decent tyres is a mystery (unless you are in a mega buck paid job where they are throwing money at you).

As said before, I'm registered disabled and am retired due to ill health (only 42) - I live on a miserable welfare/government income with a tiny disability top-up, so I can only budget for new old stock tyres and if theres a part I need, I have to pass up 20 readily available parts, in order to wait for the right price to come along.  

I'm getting so good at juggling, I'm thinking of joining the circus!  Well, I already have the clowns transport for the ring (the red n white 1TX)...
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Flying Scotsman on November 27, 2012, 12:00:34 PM
I have 2 titled and insured that way I can ride the back up bike whille I wrench on the #1 bike.
Only problem is I want the back up bike to be just as good as the #1 bike.
More than enought work,time and money go into 1 bike.I cant afford it.
#3 bike will probably be sold possibly to a friend of mine it needs a lot of work.
For now I like my 85 it runs great and handles just fine stop prety good as well.
I have a 1314 cc motor im sorting out  that will go in her and then will upgrade suspension and brakes .
Shes #1 lol.(need to get back to this)
My 90 needs some work I hit a guard rail trying to take a turn after some rain and put a couple of dents in the gas tank and busted up the fairing etc.I bought a nice tank and replaced the sub frame so she looks better.Tank is not the same colour so not sure what direction to go with colour.Fairings need replaced or fixed.Rear tyre needs addressing.Front brake/rotors need work.
She is #2
My 84 FJ1100 needs it all.I will get her running good and sell her with or without new tires.
Like I need another project lol.

I have a 1999 Yamaha GP1200 that I need to constantly tweak too so I am wrenching all the time.
Title: Re: New Tyre fitting disaster...
Post by: Anti-Dive Dave on November 27, 2012, 02:28:03 PM

MY GAWD!  :shok:

And I thought I had it bad with just needing to fit fork and dust seals, track down the left hand inner cowling, sort some pretty lousy cosmetic work, get my speedo to quit howling....fit my XJR1300 stainless oval cans...oh yeah....and find that bloody oil leak which so far, 12 of us can't find.  Along with a few unimportant issues to rectify (like brakes).

But YOU sir, have a list as long as yer arm!

It's a bugger isn't it.  I mean, I suppose we could ALL have about 100 bikes in our sheds if we wanted to (if some of us HAD sheds).

Obtaining the bikes is NOT the problem, and one can pick stuff up, running, for a low 3 figure sum.

It's getting them road-worthy, and ticketed for the road that's the problem.  Hunting for spares, fabricating stuff, juggling from one bike to another. THAT'S where the problem for most of us is.  It all costs money.  :sorry:

I think I need to get me a bloody good computer printer and start scanning my bank notes.  When I get arrested for it and I'm up in Court, I can either offer to pay the fine with freshly printed notes.....or I can enter a plea bargain, and flog the judge a fully restored FJ1200.  D'you think he'd go for that?  :scratch_one-s_head:

Hmmm....Me neither.