Greetings again folks,
Here's a question that I haven't come across with the "search" function. Which throttle lock will work on my 84FJ? I have heard of ThrottleMeister before and know a few folks who have them on their bikes. All reports are positive. On ThrottleMeister's website they show an option for the 85FJ and a different one for the later models, but no 84. Is there a difference in the throttle between an 84 and an 85, and if so, what?
Also tonight I came across the BrakeAway motorcycle cruise control. I read a review for it on WebBikeWorld, and they mentioned that it worked rather well, but only show (in sportbikes) one for the FJR1300 (6CB02) and "6CB03 for Sport Touring, Standard & Scooter" I'm going to hazard a guess and say that this model would fit bikes with a 22mm or 7/8" tube diameter which would include FJs, yeah? Please correct me if I am wrong here. Honestly I like how this BrakeAway appears to work, and given my druthers would like to install that vs something like a ThrottleMeister. Has anyone with with an 84 used this model? Cheers in advance for any advice.
Dennis
I had a vistacruise on my 92 and really liked it. Inepensive and easy to install and use. Put 100K km+ on it
http://www.casporttouring.com/thestore/Vista-Cruise.html (http://www.casporttouring.com/thestore/Vista-Cruise.html)
I put a throttlemeister on my FJR cause they looked neater. Expensive, difficult to use and keep adjusted.
I'll take door number one Alex
Quote from: fjrpierre on August 21, 2009, 09:48:52 AM
I had a vistacruise on my 92 and really liked it. Inepensive and easy to install and use. Put 100K km+ on it
http://www.casporttouring.com/thestore/Vista-Cruise.html (http://www.casporttouring.com/thestore/Vista-Cruise.html)
I put a throttlemeister on my FJR cause they looked neater. Expensive, difficult to use and keep adjusted.
I'll take door number one Alex
+1 on the Vista Cruise...
Cheap, simple, durable, and it works.
Randy T
Indy
Which Vistacruise model [unit] did you use? I had a spare dual cable unit laying about however I could not get it to work . thanks, Rich
Quote from: Rich Pleines on August 21, 2009, 10:11:24 AM
Which Vistacruise model [unit] did you use? I had a spare dual cable unit laying about however I could not get it to work . thanks, Rich
It's been on there for many years, so I dunno what the number was. :scratch_one-s_head:
It was marked 'for Yamaha dual cable models' though. Works great.
Randy T
Indy
+1 vista cruise
Kookaloo!
Frank
I have had both, I like the Throttlemeister better. They are more aesthetically pleasing, less obtrusive, and mine works great. I use it all the time and it really makes long cruises much more enjoyable. I must admit the Vista-Cruise is easier to set, but regardless of the throttle lock you choose you will have to reset it from time to time because it is not a true cruise control like on the BMW's, or cars. With the throttle locked you will notice hills and wind change your speed constantly. The Thottlemeister are a little pricey, at least $70 more than the Vista-Cruise, so price is definitely a factor.
Bottom line, You will be happy with either throttle lock because you can give your right hand a break :flag_of_truce:
and it doesn't care what throttle lock provides the relief.
Later :bye2:
I have a vista cruise on my 86 FJ, works really well and would like one for my 93 if anyone knows where i could pick one up in Oz.
I've seen them for sale at "Peter Stevens" for outrageous amounts of cash.
You're much better off ordering from Zanotti or Mondak. I think I paid $17 for the last one I got from US.
Cheers,
Arnie
ISo the bars/clips on the 84/85 are standard 7/8" right? I ask this because I think I'm going to give this BrakeAway a shot. It looks solid, and doesn't look like it came out of a crackerjack box like the vista cruise does. Most importantly it has a mechanism for brake deactivation. Definitely a plus. I tried the throttlemaster on my friend's RF900 and it was entirely too finicky for my liking. And the throttle master is less than $50 less than the BrakeAway so that isn't an issue. They only show the FZ-6 and FZ-1 as non metric cruiser for Yamaha. But the same part works on the bandit V-strom and SV650. I just spoke to a friend today who was thinking about it for his SV650 and when he spoke to the folks over there they said that they only sell it on bikes that they have personally tried it on, even if there is the same bike but older year they won't sell it. I can understand that, and I have no problem eating it if it doesn't work (or I can just sell it on Ebay at a slight discount) but since this only connects to the throttle via sliding over the grip (much like the Vista cruise) and the brake attachment has adjustment built in (to cover the different brands that they are using the same models for I would assume) I don't see too many hurdles to a clean install. I was going to order it on monday but one of our dogs (a shepherd/dane mix) is on a very quick decline (he's 12, which is ancient for his mix) so I think I'm gonna hold off for a week or two and see what Monday brings at the vet. When I do try it I'll make sure that I take plenty of pics.
Dennis
If you would like a cheap 3rd choice then there is a real easy way to kind of make your own throttlemeister. Cut the end of the grip for the throttle off so that you have the exposed plastic tube. Pull the bar end off and put a small O-ring on the treads and then a larger one where the bar-end will make contact with the throttle tub. Now you just tight the bar end to lock it. The reason for the smaller o-ring on the treads is so that it makes contact just a little before the large one. This way you have to give it that little extra to lock it. The bar-end tends to tighten so there is no worry about it falling off. You fine tune it by sliding the the assembly to where it works best. I did 431 miles yesterday about 160 of it on the slab. I had the throttle locked all most all of the time. IT does not lock it too tight to not be able to move it. I was able to stay relaxed the whole time and just make the fine changes that where needed as they where needed.
This was posted to the yahoo list by members several times. I set it up on mine last summer and have been very happy with it. It more or list cost me nothing. The end of my grip had been cut off by the PO. I had bought a kit with over a thousand O-rings in it for 7 dollars.
Denis
O and to answer your question there is no diference between the 84 and the 85. If it will fit one it will fit the other
Quote from: E Double on August 22, 2009, 06:39:36 PM
ISo the bars/clips on the 84/85 are standard 7/8" right? I ask this because I think I'm going to give this BrakeAway a shot. It looks solid, and doesn't look like it came out of a crackerjack box like the vista cruise does.
Dennis
Please keep us posted . I went to their website and watched the video http://www.brakeawayproducts.com/demovideo.html (http://www.brakeawayproducts.com/demovideo.html)
It looks like a fantastic product. I hope it fits. Sorry about your dog.
I had a throttlemeister on my Buell back in the day and loved it. Very high quality fit and finish. I bought the 'heavy' model, which helped dampen the vibrations from the v-twin also. It was a welcome relief to have on an overnight ride from Detroit to Boston via Canada. I'd love to get one for the FJ, but funds are going into the truck at the moment. For the time being, I'm using the caterpillar o-ring method which works ok, but tends to slip fairly often. I also have a cramp-buster which is nice when locking the throttle isn't an option.
Quote from: Rich Pleines on August 24, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: E Double on August 22, 2009, 06:39:36 PM
ISo the bars/clips on the 84/85 are standard 7/8" right? I ask this because I think I'm going to give this BrakeAway a shot. It looks solid, and doesn't look like it came out of a crackerjack box like the vista cruise does.
Dennis
Please keep us posted . I went to their website and watched the video http://www.brakeawayproducts.com/demovideo.html (http://www.brakeawayproducts.com/demovideo.html)
It looks like a fantastic product. I hope it fits. Sorry about your dog.
Thanks Rich for the thoughts. My wife and I took Harry to the vet. He passed all of the palpation and range of motion tests with flying colors. The vet thinks he may have gotten Lyme's from a tick. The next few days will tell. But for now he's walking around quite a bit better than he was over the weekend.
It may be a few more weeks for the cruise control than I anticipated. Reason? Well, I was looking at that corbin saddle on ebay (the one that started the hullabaloo on ebay posts) and then folks about lost their mind and bid each other right past the "buy it now" price. Well, I said bugger all and rang Corbin and picked up a new gunfighter/lady saddle for less than $300 shipped. So, I guess on the long rides (at least for the next few weeks) my wrist will still hurt but my ass won't. I can deal with that!
Cheers,
Dennis
Quote from: FJ12 on August 21, 2009, 04:44:51 PM
I have a vista cruise on my 86 FJ, works really well and would like one for my 93 if anyone knows where i could pick one up in Oz.
I lived in NZ for a few years, and visited friends in Sydney and Darwin quite a bit. If you'd like I can pick one up here and send it to you, if they're completely unavailable there. Just PM me with your address so I can see how much shipping will be.
Cheers,
Dennis
I had the Throttle-meisters on the CBR1000. Once set, they would slowly slip and the bike would slow. I tried to adjust them a couple of times but it never went away entirely. The thing is if you adjust them too tight, they make for a sticky throttle, too loose and they slip. I've heard where some folks have not had this issue but I found the to be a bit of a pain to get right (especially since I never did). By contrast, the Vista Cruise (MUCH cheaper than the $120 that I paid for the the Throttle-meisters) I had on the FJ worked flawlessly -but looked a bit strange/ bulky.
I liked the look and unobtrusiveness of the Throttle-meisters, but, for me, the Vista-Cruise actually worked better.
Dan
You know thatthe one solution that has not been brought here is that with a little bit of work a couple of members have installed the Audiovox cruise control that is a REAL cruise control. It can be found for around 100 dollars and has been adapted to a lot of motorcycles.
Some one on the yahoo list posted a detailed page on how he installed it on his FJ a while ago.
Denis
Do you have a link to that post? I was kicking that idea around. I put one of them on an old Jeep I had and it worked well. I guess the best way to do it would be the electronic version vs the vacuum pump.
I do not have the link. I would just have to go search the yahoo list. There was talk about using the electric version. The wisdom of the group was that there was problems with it and that the vacuum was the best way to go. Several people had tried to go with the electric and had problems getting it worked out. If you go search the list you can find the whole tread and see all of what was talked about and the link if it is still valid for the guy that had done it.
Denis
I just want to ask before I will buy.
This one on ebay: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww)
Will it fit to my 91' FJ1200?
Quote from: MOTOMYSZOR on February 14, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
I just want to ask before I will buy.
This one on ebay: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww)
Will it fit to my 91' FJ1200?
I had one and couldn't keep it adjusted. Then I did the big adjustment, threw it in the trash. Now I just use the "O" rings. https://parts.cat.com/en/westernstates/8M-4991 (https://parts.cat.com/en/westernstates/8M-4991). Not perfect but works good enough for me. Next time I might try this http://www.aerostich.com/go-cruisetm-universal-throttle-control.html (http://www.aerostich.com/go-cruisetm-universal-throttle-control.html).
I agree with George. The throttle lock that has the link is rubbish. If you want a throttle lock that actually works..... This is the way to go..... It is also made by Vista Cruise, but works way better. They can be found on eBay and Cycle Gear stores.
Throttle Lock Choices Thread (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=13093.0)
I'll second George's (movenon) comments. I have a basic Vista-Cruise fitted, and am constantly trying to adjust it. It will hold a speed briefly, but then slows down. The reason I haven't tossed it in the corner is that it gives me time to roll the Cat O-Ring up which holds just fine.
Arnie
As a note I just use one "CAT" ring 98% of the time , on longer trips I put a second ring on. When both are rolled into position it holds firm (I can still override). Also the rings will stretch out over time but they are dirt cheap at any CAT dealer or on ebay. That is my experience using the rings with foam grips. I recently installed Oxford heated grips and the "Cat" ring seem to grip firmer but the weather here hasn't allowed me to do any riding to test.
George
I use the Go Cruise on my TDM, works as described.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/image_zpsjpoazeh2.jpeg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/image_zpsjpoazeh2.jpeg.html)
Quote from: Dan Filetti on August 24, 2009, 11:46:30 PM
I had the Throttle-meisters on the CBR1000. Once set, they would slowly slip and the bike would slow. I tried to adjust them a couple of times but it never went away entirely. The thing is if you adjust them too tight, they make for a sticky throttle, too loose and they slip. I've heard where some folks have not had this issue but I found the to be a bit of a pain to get right (especially since I never did). By contrast, the Vista Cruise (MUCH cheaper than the $120 that I paid for the the Throttle-meisters) I had on the FJ worked flawlessly -but looked a bit strange/ bulky.
I liked the look and unobtrusiveness of the Throttle-meisters, but, for me, the Vista-Cruise actually worked better.
Dan
I agree with Dan on the throttlemeister. I use it and like the stainless look on the bar ends. It works well for me but was a PIA to get it adjusted the way I wanted and did not slip. Dave
Quote from: movenon on February 14, 2016, 08:46:49 PM
That is my experience using the rings with foam grips. I recently installed Oxford heated grips and the "Cat" ring seem to grip firmer but the weather here hasn't allowed me to do any riding to test.
George
I also have Oxford heated grips and the O ring holds just fine. I have also put thin 1" pipe insulation foam, like bicycle foam grips, over the Oxford grips. I get the advantage of a foam grip that absorbs some more vibration and get a slightly larger grip diameter. This works for my X or XXL size hands.
Arnie
As noted Arnie no real riding here yet but have been giving some thought to possable vibration. The foam grips did work fine but now with the Oxfords it is an unknown. Been looking at gloves with foam or gel pads built into the palms. Even giving some thought to building my own EVA foam pads. By reading Gel seems to be better for impact and foam better for vibration ? Do Harley's impact or vibrate ? :). Yamaha and Cycle Gear is just down the road so I checked out what they had in stock without any good success. Still shopping and learning.... Not an over whelming problem or at least it hasn't been. Just fussing around.
I like the Oxford grips they heat up nicely and the control is easy to operate. They have an auto shut off but I wired them in with a control relay anyhow just because.. Winter time upgrade along with RPM bar risers. I had a inexpensive heating pad style of grip heaters before but didn't like the switch (Hi/LO) and the wires on the throttle side came loose and had to re-soldered and modified. The pad wires are not designed to take the flexing IMO. The Oxfords appear to be a lot better in design. For those that are not aware the Oxfords grips come in 3 different length's. I bought a shorter length so a throttle lock could be added at a later date if desired without having to replace the throttle side grip and didn't have to trim the grip ends. I took a page out of Alan's book and put some foam grip spacers/donuts from Cycle Gear in in the gap where a throttle lock could be installed later. But for now I like the simple Cat ring as I rarely ride more than 3 or 400 miles at a time.
George
That's a great idea Arnie, thank you! :good2:
I too have Oxford heated grips and I love them, except for the hard grips. On long multi day rides I get an occasional pressure sores on my palms...
i know, I know, loose hands...wiggle the elbows, etc, etc. I have some glove inner liners used for dirt bike riding that helps with the abrasions.
Arnie, did you use any glue between the Oxford and foam?
Quote from: Dads_FJ on February 14, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
I use the Go Cruise on my TDM, works as described.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/image_zpsjpoazeh2.jpeg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/image_zpsjpoazeh2.jpeg.html)
+1. Works great for me. Rich
Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 15, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
That's a great idea Arnie, thank you! :good2:
I too have Oxford heated grips and I love them, except for the hard grips. On long multi day rides I get an occasional pressure sores on my palms...
i know, I know, loose hands...wiggle the elbows, etc, etc. I have some glove inner liners used for dirt bike riding that helps with the abrasions.
Arnie, did you use any glue between the Oxford and foam?
No, I just used dish soap and water to get them on over the bar-end and grip-end ridge. Once the water evaporates, they are fixed securely. These are thin foam ~1/8" so the grip heat comes through as well.
They don't last too long though and I have to replace them about once a year. :-/
That's about when the foam stiffens anyhow.
Quote from: MOTOMYSZOR on February 14, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
I just want to ask before I will buy.
This one on ebay: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Sound-Off-Recreational-MCVICO-Vista-Cruise-Control-Throttle-Lock-/370988145971?hash=item56609ddd33:m:mvuOxfRc8pLXT0O66Wj8Mww)
Will it fit to my 91' FJ1200?
That's the one I have had on the '92 for a few years now, works fine for me. Of course it really is only for flat roads, but flick on/off when needed, simple and works a treat.
For those that have just fitted or considering fitting Oxford heated grips, you will love them and can expect a great life from them.
These are my Oxford grips after 100,000kms and 6 or 7 Winters. They still work perfectly.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1443/25049032296_a73a69cfc5_c.jpg)
You will find you use them way more than you think. Rather than just using them to stop your hands freezing, they become a comfort thing. The sensation is pleasant even when it's not terribly cold. I recently did 4000km over a week and never had them off once, just altered the temp accordingly.
And for those discussing throttle locks, this Vista cruise has done 130,000km since I've had it and was already on the bike when I got it.
I particularly like the speed at which it can be engaged and disengaged. I have a number of things on my bike that can only be done with my right hand and use it at least a dozen times a day. Oddly though, I rarely use it for its intended purpose, hand relief.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1598/24779769010_f078814528_c.jpg)
It does require a turn on the adjusting screw every few months, but so what, it takes less time to do that than it does to engage the friction throttle lock on the BMW, every time you want to use it, consequently, I never use it.
I also like the simplicity of the Go Cruise, even if it does look a bit odd. Not that you would see it when riding.
Noel
Quote from: Arnie on February 14, 2016, 05:16:52 PM
I'll second George's (movenon) comments. I have a basic Vista-Cruise fitted, and am constantly trying to adjust it. It will hold a speed briefly, but then slows down. The reason I haven't tossed it in the corner is that it gives me time to roll the Cat O-Ring up which holds just fine.
Arnie
Arnie, you do know there is a recessed screw on the underside (or the topside, depending how you mount it) for adjusting the tension?
Noel
Yes, I know about the tension adjustment screw.
If I tighten it enough that it holds the setting, it drags when "off".
If it is just loose enough to not drag, then it doesn't hold the setting.
To be fair, it does hold the set for a few minutes before slowly slowing.
The Cat O-Ring holds the throttle set, and is completely out of the way when rolled "off".
Quote from: Arnie on February 17, 2016, 07:44:00 AM
Yes, I know about the tension adjustment screw.
If I tighten it enough that it holds the setting, it drags when "off".
If it is just loose enough to not drag, then it doesn't hold the setting.
To be fair, it does hold the set for a few minutes before slowly slowing.
The Cat O-Ring holds the throttle set, and is completely out of the way when rolled "off".
I do recall "scoring" the friction surfaces not long after I got so it would bite better for the same amount of pressure.
Noel