In relation to this mod I have heard phrases such as 'plug n play' and slips right in! The last person who said that to me I married and it's been nothing but agro ever since!
What would be needed? Don't think the rotors will swap, I assume my blue spots will still work?
Just wondering!
I put an '87 FZR front wheel on my '89. FJ rotors fit the FZR wheel. Speedo fits too. You'll re-use your FJ axle.
i just re, fitted my now straight fz1 front wheel to my 89 forks, rotors fit speedo fits , just needed shims for the axle to the bearings ( 22 mm ) axle on fz1 :good2:
Being in the UK, another possibly available option is the XJR1200 rim and use the FJ rotors. (not the 1300 rim).
'87/'88 FZR750 wheel is a direct bolt-on, bearings/spacer, rotors are all the same.....
Forgot to mention that mine is the abs version, it's already disabled and got blue dots on, but I will therefore need new rotors to fit the fzr or xjr1200 wheel won't I? Will this make a difference to anything else, spacers, axle etc. I assume there is no lining up issues with the callipers versus to xjr or for wheels?
Would an 89 onwards wheel fit? Different part number to the earlier ones, not sure how it differs?
Anyone know what year this is, on ebay item number 370530568122 listed as RD model year?
Quote from: nurse on July 15, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
Forgot to mention that mine is the abs version, it's already disabled and got blue dots on, but I will therefore need new rotors to fit the fzr or xjr1200 wheel won't I? Will this make a difference to anything else, spacers, axle etc. I assume there is no lining up issues with the callipers versus to xjr or for wheels?
XJR1200 rim will bolt straight in, same axle diameter, same spacers, (same centre to centre distance between the fork tubes), same rotor centre to centre spacing and same rotor mount PCD as your FJ but XJR12's run 320mm OD rotors so use the FJ ones and all will line up.
It gets more complicated with the XJR13 rims with later generations having gone to larger axle diameters and different rotor PCD's but XJR12 front rim swap is easy.
Quote from: nurse on July 15, 2012, 03:44:20 PM
Would an 89 onwards wheel fit? Different part number to the earlier ones, not sure how it differs?
Anyone know what year this is, on ebay item number 370530568122 listed as RD model year?
'89 and up wheels are all 3" wide, no FJ ever came stock with 3.5"...
The ebay wheel might work, email the seller and ask what the axle diameter is.... It still has the bearings in it, so he can measure the hole in the inner race. FJ needs a 15mm axle, IIRC.
Rich, I think Nurse was refering to 89 and later FZR front wheels with 17 mm. axle. At this point I'll avoid suggestions as to making this work.
Hein.
Cheers for the help guys. Xjr1200 option is very appealing. Just have to find some non abs rotors!
There appear to be loads of fzr rotors about (on fleapay) not many for xjr - but some and even fewer for FJ1200 (non ABS) they are all early ones. Would the FZR rotors fit the XJR rim?
Anyone on here got a set of late model non-abs FJ rotors they want to get rid off?
Quote from: WestOzXJR on July 15, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: nurse on July 15, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
Forgot to mention that mine is the abs version, it's already disabled and got blue dots on, but I will therefore need new rotors to fit the fzr or xjr1200 wheel won't I? Will this make a difference to anything else, spacers, axle etc. I assume there is no lining up issues with the callipers versus to xjr or for wheels?
XJR1200 rim will bolt straight in, same axle diameter, same spacers, (same centre to centre distance between the fork tubes), same rotor centre to centre spacing and same rotor mount PCD as your FJ but XJR12's run 320mm OD rotors so use the FJ ones and all will line up.
It gets more complicated with the XJR13 rims with later generations having gone to larger axle diameters and different rotor PCD's but XJR12 front rim swap is easy.
Well I have found and purchased a gold xjr rim. In good condition some flaking and scratching to the paint but it wont matter as it will be sprayed anyway!
All I need now is some late model non abs rotors, any one got any they want to shift?
Quote from: fj11.5 on July 14, 2012, 05:31:07 PM
i just re, fitted my now straight fz1 front wheel to my 89 forks, rotors fit speedo fits , just needed shims for the axle to the bearings ( 22 mm ) axle on fz1 :good2:
Couldn't you just change the bearings? Might take some R&D to find the right OD for your new wheel and ID to fit the FJ axle. :unknown: Spacer wight take some work.
Kurt
no l uck finding bearings, had a machine shop make the shims/spacers to fit in the bearings to take the axle $10 for the pair , pressed in and bolted the wheel on , no issues so far :good2:
Quote from: fj11.5 on July 17, 2012, 04:49:57 PM
no l uck finding bearings, had a machine shop make the shims/spacers to fit in the bearings to take the axle $10 for the pair , pressed in and bolted the wheel on , no issues so far :good2:
Cool your answer works and is cheaper than mine. Every time i talk to them at the machine shop seems like every thing $100 plus.
Kurt
i was lucky with the machine shop, went to buy the bearings from a local bearing supplier , nothing listed that would work, , suggested i go see his mate, , the guy rides too, and his father owns an fj, , so i got the bikers discount :good2:,, on the other hand, had a bushing made up for the f4i shock from the machine shop closer to home $40 charged by the minute i think :scratch_one-s_head:,, and that was made from an industrial grade plastic , , now changed to roller bearings,, (popcorn) , know where ill go next time :wacko3:
Quote from: nurse on July 14, 2012, 04:02:14 PM
In relation to this mod I have heard phrases such as 'plug n play' and slips right in! The last person who said that to me I married and it's been nothing but agro ever since!
What would be needed? Don't think the rotors will swap, I assume my blue spots will still work?
Just wondering!
I put a 3.5" on my bike off a 1991 or 1992
I used ducati rotors and blue dots
And I did find bearings with no machining :good2:
nice work, was thatan fj or fzr rim, :good2:, will be swapping my 4.4" rear for the freshly painted 5.5" tonight, :wacko3:
Well my 3.5inch front rim has arrived, had a quick look, needs a good clean (has a strange sticky black residue all over the inside of the tyre mounting surfaces) seems straight and true as promised by seller. Is currently a gold colour so a respray is first priority. Seems to have the Right side bearing insitu but will probably remove for respray then replace with new. Hoping that all spacers and other bits will swop over easily. Need to sort out chinese wavy rotors and match new tyre to my road pilot 2 rear! Will stick up pictures as the project moves on! Any tips/advice/pointers or thoughts welcome :bye:
everything should fit the same, the black gooy stuff is probably what they either fitted or removed the tyre with :scratch_one-s_head:,, dont forget to install the inner spacer in the rim ,
The xjr wheel has 4kg embossed on it. Had a look over the ABS front wheel but can't see any indication of weight on it. Anybody happen to know what one weighs (naked as it were!! :mocking:)
not sure mate, but i know when i swapped my 84 wheels for 89 model ones they were at least a kg lighter and the gsxr rear was lighter still , ,at least thats how i remember it :scratch_one-s_head:
Brief update, I have got my 3.5" front rim. Stripped off the old gold colour powder coat, ready for new paint job.
Been looking at tyres and the original appears to be a 130/70 R17 but this would seem to be a size that is a lot less common than it once was. I have a brand new road pilot 2 on the rear on a 5.5 inch gsxr rear and was hoping to match this on the front but can only find it in a 120/70 R17.
This is the same as the original size front tyre isnt it? only difference will be is that it will sit on a wider rim. Any thoughts or advice on the pros and cons of this tyre size on the wider rim? Will I be sacrificing any advantages of the wider front rim by using this size? I may need a bit of laymans terms schooling on this one as I'm a bit green on the science of mixing the various rim sizes with differing tyre sizes. Thanks in advance for advice! :hi:
Quote from: nurse on August 06, 2012, 05:10:13 AM
Been looking at tyres and the original appears to be a 130/70 R17 but this would seem to be a size that is a lot less common than it once was. I have a brand new road pilot 2 on the rear on a 5.5 inch gsxr rear and was hoping to match this on the front but can only find it in a 120/70 R17.
I switched from 3.0 x 16 (120 tire width) to 3.5 x 17. The 120 looked too pinched on the 3.0 wheel to me. Mopar man (Steve) put a 110 on his 3.0 wheel and the profile looked proper, less pinched. With the 120 on my 3.5 the profile looks proper again. The 120 is what nearly all of us are running on our 3.5 fronts. Go a head and run the 120 for the first tire and then judge for yourself.
go with the 120 front on your 3.5" rim , compared to the 89 model in my shed the 3.5" on my 84 handles better, changes line smoother , and as monkey said they no longer are pinched :good2:
Well I have ordered the 120/70, was doing a bit of reading (after having paid for it) that the 3.5" with 120 tyre can some times unsettle the handling mid corner, making it wander fro
It's line. Any of you guys with the wider fronts have any thoughts or experiences of this :smile:
nope, not so far, but makes it easier to change lines imo , wuld of thought the 3" with a 120 would have more issues :scratch_one-s_head: mind you i had an 80 model gsx that used to buck ,weave and wallow from tip in to exit at any speed over 80klm :wacko2: i learned to live with it for 9 years :biggrin: , nobody on a bike used to stay close behind :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: fj11.5 on August 08, 2012, 07:52:09 AM
nope, not so far, but makes it easier to change lines imo , wuld of thought the 3" with a 120 would have more issues :scratch_one-s_head: mind you i had an 80 model gsx that used to buck ,weave and wallow from tip in to exit at any speed over 80klm :wacko2: i learned to live with it for 9 years :biggrin: , nobody on a bike used to stay close behind :scratch_one-s_head:
Scarey potatoes!! :shok:
When I changed to 17 x 3.5 the feel in the corners was like cold custard in an old sock to well planted and following a line leaned over required no effort. It might be from the wheel change... But I also put 89 forks with the RPM valves, new oil of course, 0.85 RaceTech springs, Dunlop Q2 rubber, Blue dots, steel braided lines, Galfer knock off rotors, new bearings... so I am not sure what change made the most difference.
Quote from: FJmonkey on August 08, 2012, 08:56:38 AM
When I changed to 17 x 3.5 the feel in the corners was like cold custard in an old sock to well planted and following a line leaned over required no effort. It might be from the wheel change... But I also put 89 forks with the RPM valves, new oil of course, 0.85 RaceTech springs, Dunlop Q2 rubber, Blue dots, steel braided lines, Galfer knock off rotors, new bearings... so I am not sure what change made the most difference.
I have all these mods monkeyman, but did them at different times, so I wouild say that it was the fork valve mod that you are noticing the most, all the other stuff is just frosting on the cake!
That is what I got from it, your results may vary!
Leon
Well the xjr rim / wheel is of to the local body shop for a colour match so I'm using the time I have to make sure I have all I need ready for assembly. I have the front tyre, wavy galfer knock offs are winging their way from the land of the rising sun (well china anyway!).
I have However noticed a few issues. In spite of comments earlier in this thread advising that my spacers will fit and nothing else is needed. Comparing part numbers and microfiches the 93abs uses different spacers compared to non abs. Am I going to need to source non abs spacers to make this work? Anyone got any advice? Any one done the 3.5" conversion to an abs? Any experience? I wanted to have everything ready so I didn't get stuck half way through.
Ok well it's school boy error time, so I need your help to fix it. The xjr rim is on its way to being ready to put in, but I have realised that the axle diameter on the fj is 15mm and on the xjr is 17mm. Dont want to drill and tap forks! I found these as measurements for the bearings needed by each wheel in its original installation
If i remember right, the FJ's are 42 x 15 x 12, and the XJR's are 40 x 17 x 12.
Would prefer correct size bearings but am struggling to find them in the uk. Could have shims made but would prefer to source the right bearings.
Any ideas?? Heeeeelp!
Oh crap, just thought does this mean the spacers that I have coming from boats won't fit because they are for the 17mm axle?
Arrrgghh :dash2: :wacko3: :dash1:
Nurse,
What I did was have the rim bored for the stock bearings & axle.
Simple and inexpensive. Still sound after many thousands of miles.
Mike Ramos.
Spoke to my trusted spanner monkey at the local garage (shop for those in the US!) and he has recomended normal XJR bearings and then he will have some 'top hat' inserts made to flesh out the difference. Its reassuring when you speak to someone and they not only understand the problem, but also how to fix it without even seeing the bike and/or parts!!
There is light at the end of the tunnel! :yahoo:
Well in answer to my own question, a few more bits than i original thought/was lead to believe. I will post a pic of the final product when i get home tonight but i thought i would do the typing while i had the time.
So i went with a 3.5" XJR1200 front rim. The axle on this is a 17mm in comparison to the 15mm Fj so not quite as plug and play as was originally quoted. I had aquired the xjr wheel and spacer and collar (part no 10-90387-15550-00) for the non abs Fj wheel, before figuring it through thoroughly and realised that the axle size may cause an issue.
In the end a 'sleeve' was machined from high grade billet to flesh the axle diameter out to 17mm. This sat over the axle and was the same width as the wheel bearings were apart. The bearings used had to be 40x17x12 as there was no other easy option. A new spacer was then machined at same width as the bearing were apart. The bearings and the new axle diameter meant too many variables were evident to make the old spacer fit.
The wheel itself centred up perfectly as well so that was another near miss avoided!
None of the original ABS spacers could be used.
However the collar that fits between the bearing and the fork fitted fine, so at least one bit worked out easily. The discs fitted fine and so did the speedo drive....however there was the smallest amount of contact between the disc bolts and the drive housing so the smallest of shampfers was taken off, i need to touch these in yet but wanted to leave it exposed so you guys could see what i meant.
Keen to hear what you all think! Have only riden it back home as yet as we are currnelty experiencing biblical weather, flooding, gale force winds etc. So as soon as it dries up, i have a bit of time i will be out to carefully scrub in the tyre (michelin RP2 to match the rear) and rotors, so will update on handling as soon as i have had a play.
Ok folks here the finished article
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/3/2484_27_09_12_1_05_34.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/3/2484_27_09_12_1_06_40.jpeg)
Below are couple of pics to give an idea of clearance mod needed for rotor bolts
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/3/2484_27_09_12_1_08_07.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/3/2484_27_09_12_1_13_13.jpeg)
Sorry they are a bit out of focus but they were the best i could get on my back, in a tigh space with an iphone!!
So what do you reckon folks? boy done good (in the end) I reckon. Looks pretty sweet, not quite OEM, but not too tricked out either!!
I reckon it looks as good as mine :yahoo: , , job well done mate, , don't know why you had bolt issues, as monkey did too ??
Quote from: nurse on August 29, 2012, 03:18:55 PM
Ok well it's school boy error time, so I need your help to fix it. The xjr rim is on its way to being ready to put in, but I have realised that the axle diameter on the fj is 15mm and on the xjr is 17mm. Dont want to drill and tap forks! I found these as measurements for the bearings needed by each wheel in its original installation
If i remember right, the FJ's are 42 x 15 x 12, and the XJR's are 40 x 17 x 12.
Would prefer correct size bearings but am struggling to find them in the uk. Could have shims made but would prefer to source the right bearings.
Any ideas?? Heeeeelp!
Hello their; this is gonzajr the bearing number you may need is 6203 size is 15-40-12 front wheel bearing. Bought them at Whisler bearing and drive in Colorado. Just but the dimension on the web
and see if it get you any leads get back to me if you need them and can not find them near you.