I'm looking into picking up a set of Blue Dot front calipers. From what I read here, they are usually talked about with an upgrade to the Master Cylinder. Question: Is it OK to just put the Blue Dot's on and use the stock M/C with good results? I may look into an upgrade to the M/c in the near future, but for the time being I was just going to install just the calipers.
Also, what are the preferred brand/type of pads that are used with the Blue Dots??
Thanks!
Mark
I used the OEM Yamaha R1 brake pads.
Not sure about the master, as I upgraded at the same time.
Leon
I'm using the stock master. I don't consider it a problem. I do plan on upgrading to an FZ1 14mm master eventually.
DavidR.
The Blue-Dots will work with the stock FJ master. They will work better with the R1 nonradial 14mm master, better feel overall and you get an adjustable lever. They will work better still if you use a Nissin 19mm radial master. I am using one from a 2006 GSXR600. And the best master I've ever used with Blue-Dot calipers is the radial master from a late model R1 (this may be a Nissin master too, but it's not the same as the GSXR radial master).
I like the stock Blue-Dot (Sumitomo G-G) brake pads, they don't wareout the stock rotors or make noise like most of the H-H aftermarket pads.
If you are going to the trouble of bleeding you are better off getting the M/C at the same time. I have seen plenty of them on ebay... best type I think is for 2001 -03 ish Yzf 600 or 1000 ... with the Non-urine cup. It matches the bike better.
there is a urine cup type with all the fixin's on ebay now Item number: 280873876037
I found a big difference
Blue dots and ducati rotors
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/ccsct203/034.jpg)
Nissin 19mm brake MC
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/ccsct203/512012067.jpg)
Nissin clutch MC
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/ccsct203/512012066.jpg)
nice master cylinder, so it works as good as it looks, i thought my 14mm nissin one was scary , slows down faster that it accelerates :wacko3: :yahoo:
Quote from: fj11.5 on May 09, 2012, 10:35:15 PM
nice master cylinder, so it works tht as good as it looks, i thought my 14mm nissin one was scary , slows down faster that it accelerates :wacko3: :yahoo:
the bike, not the master cylinder,,
Mine is from I think 01 FZ1 -- non urine cup. I think it fits the vintage of the bike better. Its all a matter of preference though.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/2/596_15_11_11_11_36_01.jpeg)
Thanks for all the input guys, it was a big help. The pictures were great too, thanks Moparman70 and ccsct203.
I've got a set of Blue-Dots from an 2002 R6 on the way from ebay.
I'm looking at an 2001 FZ1 master with adjustable lever now. I prefer to looks of the coffin type master so I'm favoring this FZ1 route.
If I'm reading the posts from my search query correctly, and from the pictures in this post and the pictures on ebay, it looks like FZ1 m/c bolts right on with the correct orientation for the brake line too. ? Yes?
Thanks again.
Mark
"it looks like FZ1 m/c bolts right on with the correct orientation for the brake line too. ? Yes? "
yes it does welcome to newer and much better brakes....
Eric M
Good morning Mark,
This is the same conversion I did almost two years ago (including braided brake lines) and was quite pleased with the results.
Originally I used the stock Yamaha brake pads. However several months ago I installed the upgraded pads from RPM and the difference in stopping power is very noticeable (& welcomed too!) and feel was much better as well.
I also had the uh, "opportunity" to try them in the rain on more than one occasion and the pads performed well, maintaining their good feedback.
To date, they are not squealing or discoloring the rotors.
Good luck,
Mike
Markmartin, if you do go with the braided lines you don't have to get three lines and still use the spliter; you can just get two lines and go straight from the master to each caliper all you have to do is change the banjo bolt to accept the two lines... if you look close you can see that in my picture
I am using a 05 FJR master at 15mm. Works great but would love to see how the 14mm works.
CraigO
Quote from: markmartin on May 10, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
Thanks for all the input guys, it was a big help. The pictures were great too, thanks Moparman70 and ccsct203.
I've got a set of Blue-Dots from an 2002 R6 on the way from ebay.
I'm looking at an 2001 FZ1 master with adjustable lever now. I prefer to looks of the coffin type master so I'm favoring this FZ1 route.
If I'm reading the posts from my search query correctly, and from the pictures in this post and the pictures on ebay, it looks like FZ1 m/c bolts right on with the correct orientation for the brake line too. ? Yes?
Thanks again.
Ok, I have added the blue dot conversion to the winter list of things to do. 2002 r6 calipers on the way. I have not found any thing for the rear in the mod section. What year should I be looking for? Any fabrication needed to the fitment? Planning on relacing master cylinder during the mod, planning on a non urine cup type.
Mark
Not many people "upgrade" the rear brake. The stock system is more than adequate and most people don't like an overly sensitive rear brake. Too much rear brake is a good way to end up on your head after a high-side.
There are a lot of things on the FJ that are good good enough as is.
DavidR.
David, that makes me think.
A common mod is to put a master cylinder on the clutch/brakes with a smaller bore diameter than stock, easing the pressure required at the lever and giving a longer usable throw in the useful portion of stroke, meaning better sensitivity.
Wonder if rear masters are available in various bore sizes? A more manageable rear brake could be a neat mod for those who use the rear brake regularly. Occurs to me that I know absolutely nothing about rear brake master cylinders though. Where to even begin researching?
I prefer to have a little in the lines to keep my rear brake on the weak and spongy side.
Those who change to a GSXR rear wheel assembly will also be using a GSXR rear (tokiko, I think) caliper and the smaller 240mm disk from the GSXR. The smaller disk gives you reduced braking performance (which is good IMO). Keeping the OEM yamaha rear master is fine and the rear brake is not nearly so touchy as OEM setup.
Arnie
My fronts were blue dots also with Nissin urine cup and I changed to FJR MC... much more lever travel through engagement and better feel IMHO. Brake feel is one of those "personal taste" kind of things, so good luck.
Quote from: markmartin on May 10, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
I have not found any thing for the rear in the mod section...
For the rear check this link: http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/MarcRittner3.htm (http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/MarcRittner3.htm)
of course the T-Ace rear mod is required first... :biggrin:
I actually do use the rear brake and find this works just about exactly as well as my stock '90 did. I like the matched caliper look, but not sure I would have undertaken the mod (Thanks Marc!).
Frank
Sorry, but the OE MC is S***! with the blue dots, with the OE calipers and even with the 1100- 1200 1TX OE equipement. And the same MC fitted in the FZR/FZ models are S*** too
I live in a volcanic island with high altitude differences in 20-30 km. You go from 2.000 m. to sea level in a few kms and you NEED good brakes. And the OE MC DON´T WORK even although in 30 kg lighter bikes with better brakes (FZR 1000)
Changing the MC in my friend Mingo´s 1TX with the braided lines, without touching the OE calipers, transformed the brakes
The blue dots with the OE MC is like pressing a wooden lever without feeling and without apparent results in breaking. The only thing that you can get is an injury in your wirst Carpian tunnel
So 98 to 2002 r6 blue dots will bolt up to a 84 stock forks
Quote from: Thmsdoyle on September 16, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
So 98 to 2002 r6 blue dots will bolt up to a 84 stock forks
None of the R6 or R1 or FZ1 calipers will bolt up to the early model 84-87 stock fork lowers. They will bolt right onto the lowers of the late model FJ's 89-93..
Eric M
I think the FZR 400 RR fit the early FJs straight on
But with OE calipers and rotors, metallic hoses, FZ1 2001 MC, carefully revised and dialled anti-dive and OE pads and Hagon fork springs my friend´s Mingo FJ 1TX brakes as good as mine