So I got some new turn signals and got them wired up with a new handle bar switch(the left side one).I'm pretty sure I wired it right cause I even went back and put the old handlebar switch back on but for some reason my blinkers will not flash, they come on (double filament) but they wont flash.
Is there a way to possibly test the flasher relay to see if it is bad? I did look in the book and couldn't find anything that would find a way to test it.
Are the bulbs installed the correct way ?
KOokaloo!
Quote from: racerman_27410 on September 06, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Are the bulbs installed the correct way ?
KOokaloo!
yea they all worked just fine with the old handle bar switch. there all brand new, the back to would blink with the old switch, and the front one would too. but then i got a new handle bar switch and the new front turn signals, installed them. but now nothing blinks. the fronts are dual filament so they come on, but nothing with blink, and all bulbs are installed right. i even put the old turn signals back on and they wont even blink
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
yea they all worked just fine with the old handle bar switch. there all brand new, the back to would blink with the old switch, and the front one would too. but then i got a new handle bar switch and the new front turn signals, installed them. but now nothing blinks. the fronts are dual filament so they come on, but nothing with blink, and all bulbs are installed right. i even put the old turn signals back on and they wont even blink
Ok so if I follow your logic correctly....
1) The Old turn flashers worked with old switch...
2) New flashers worked with old switch....
but the
3) new flashers won't work with the new switch?......and you think it is the flasher relay?
Question...Do the old flashers work with the new switch?
Question... What is the wattage of your new bulbs?
The symptom you are describing happens when the new flasher light bulbs draw too little power (watts) like what happens when folks install LED flasher lights. When the LED (or other low wattage lamps) activate and start drawing power, it is not enough to activate the reed switch assembly within the flasher relay. (the clicker) The result is what you are describing...the light stays on and does not flash. It's not the relay's fault. It was designed to work with 22 watt light bulbs, not the lower wattage bulbs common today.
Google LED turn signals and you will see this discussion.
The solution is to install resistors to "trick" the oem flasher into activating...or install a aftermarket solid state flasher. Cheers! Pat
Listen to Pat, It sounds like you have the wrong bulbs in that thing.
the old turn signals worked with the old switch yes
new switch did not work with new or old, and then when I reinstalled the old switch the old switch wouldn't work with new or old BUT they would light up just fine, just not flash,(dual filament)
The rear signals are LED, i had them installed before i messed around with the fronts. And they worked perfectly fine with the system, but once the front was installed(which are normal standard light bulbs) they wouldn't work either way with the new or old handlebar switch, then i tried putting all the old turn signals back on and still nothing with the new or old handle bar switch, except that the front would light up but not blink, that's why i have a feeling its the flasher relay.
Question...Do the old flashers work with the new switch? no they do not, they light up cause of the dual filament but will not flash, not with the new or old switch.
Question... What is the wattage of your new bulbs? I have no idea, all i know is they are standard blinkers, nothing fancy or anything.
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Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
Question... What is the wattage of your new bulbs? I have no idea, all i know is they are standard blinkers, nothing fancy or anything.
You have no idea huh? Then I have no idea how to help you.....
If your flasher relay works one way, then it does not work another way, the problem is not your flasher relay...
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 06, 2011, 04:36:28 PM
the problem is not your flasher relay...
Since I am bored................Pat, again is right. The problem is not the relay flasher box.
I would guess the flasher was fine. Then, someone wanted to put aftermarket signals on.
these aftermarket signals happen to have "double filament" bulbs.
The FJ probably only has single, and when both filaments lit up,
the added amperage was more than the components can handle.
Which only complicates the real problem.
no, the stock turn signals are also dual filament. and i didnt say one worked one way and another worked another. i said it use to work fine and now either way i use the stock or aftermarket signals or the stock or aftermarket handle bar switch, none of it works.
So what else could it be if i put the stock turn signals and the stock handlebar switch back on besides the flasher?
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Since I am bored................Pat, again is right. The problem is not the relay flasher box.
I would guess the flasher was fine. Then, someone wanted to put aftermarket signals on.
these aftermarket signals happen to have "double filament" bulbs.
The FJ probably only has single, and when both filaments lit up,
the added amperage was more than the components can handle.
Which only complicates the real problem.
the stock turn signals on the bike are also dual filament, and if that complicates it then why would puttoing the old turn signals back on with the old handle bar switch still not work?
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 06, 2011, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
Question... What is the wattage of your new bulbs? I have no idea, all i know is they are standard blinkers, nothing fancy or anything.
You have no idea huh? Then I have no idea how to help you.....
If your flasher relay works one way, then it does not work another way, the problem is not your flasher relay...
and i said above that it doesnt work either way. I said the with the old handle bar switch or with the new switch. old turn signals or new turn signals, it doesnt flash period.
(popcorn)
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
and i said above that it doesnt work either way. I said the with the old handle bar switch or with the new switch. old turn signals or new turn signals, it doesnt flash period.
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 07:08:02 PM
and i didnt say one worked one way and another worked another. i said it use to work fine and now either way i use the stock or aftermarket signals or the stock or aftermarket handle bar switch, none of it works.
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
the old turn signals worked with the old switch yes
new switch did not work with new or old, and then when I reinstalled the old switch the old switch wouldn't work with new or old BUT they would light up just fine, just not flash,(dual filament)
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
yea they all worked just fine with the old handle bar switch. there all brand new, the back to would blink with the old switch, and the front one would too. but then i got a new handle bar switch and the new front turn signals, installed them. but now nothing blinks. the fronts are dual filament so they come on, but nothing with blink, and all bulbs are installed right. i even put the old turn signals back on and they wont even blink
Dude, is English your first language?
Just asking.
Dan
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Dude, is English your first language?
Just asking.
Dan
ya im pretty positive it is my first language
the stock bulb on my FJ is an 1156 do you know what that is?
here
(http://www.bulbdan.com/images/big/1156.jpg)
Quote from: Travis398 on September 06, 2011, 08:03:03 PM
the stock bulb on my FJ is an 1156 do you know what that is?
here
(http://www.bulbdan.com/images/big/1156.jpg)
there is something called OE replacement turn signals, which means they will work on my bike
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
there is something called OE replacement turn signals, which means they will work on my bike
really? hmm how are those working for ya?
Quote from: Travis398 on September 06, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
there is something called OE replacement turn signals, which means they will work on my bike
really? hmm how are those working for ya?
i would say they work fine. cause i still think its the flasher relay.
I dont understand how it cant be, everything pionts to it. I dont see why you guys cant see that but insist on it being the turn signals.
so lets throw this out there, i have my original handle bar switch and front turn signals on the bike(which worked fine before i installed the new handlebar switch, but it has the old one back on it now), they turn on when the bike is turned on, but wont blink when i turn the turn signal switch button on.
You guys still dont think the flasher relay is the problem?
Travis, that would be correct for the rear flasher bulbs [1156] and for the fronts [1157s] would be the ticket.
What year is your bike. My '86 has self cancelling signals witch have more wires than the newer R1 handle bar switch has. I ended up using an automotive flasher unit to make everything work. I never used the self cancelling feature anyway. I was already in the habit of pushing the button after turning.
Quote from: RACER111V on September 06, 2011, 10:32:23 PM
What year is your bike. My '86 has self cancelling signals witch have more wires than the newer R1 handle bar switch has. I ended up using an automotive flasher unit to make everything work. I never used the self cancelling feature anyway. I was already in the habit of pushing the button after turning.
i have an 87 fj1200, on a 91 frame. BUT when i was looking in the manual on the wiring diagrams it shows the 86 and 87 models have 2 wires to the front two turn signals, mine has 3. Which in the books looks like a 89-90 wiring harness
my stock switch has a self cancelling switch also and so does the new universal switch
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
The rear signals are LED, i had them installed before i messed around with the fronts. And they worked perfectly fine with the system, but once the front was installed(which are normal standard light bulbs) they wouldn't work either way with the new or old handlebar switch, then i tried putting all the old turn signals back on and still nothing with the new or old handle bar switch, except that the front would light up but not blink, that's why i have a feeling its the flasher relay.
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The LED bulbs were probably marginally enough draw to make the flasher flash...... the new combination does NOT draw enough for it. Put regular bulbs back in the rear and tell us what happens.....
Quote from: RichBaker on September 07, 2011, 02:30:24 AM
Quote from: irishluck on September 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
The rear signals are LED, i had them installed before i messed around with the fronts. And they worked perfectly fine with the system, but once the front was installed(which are normal standard light bulbs) they wouldn't work either way with the new or old handlebar switch, then i tried putting all the old turn signals back on and still nothing with the new or old handle bar switch, except that the front would light up but not blink, that's why i have a feeling its the flasher relay.
The LED bulbs were probably marginally enough draw to make the flasher flash...... the new combination does NOT draw enough for it. Put regular bulbs back in the rear and tell us what happens.....
When i installed the Rear LED signals it still had the front stock ones on it. Worked perfectly fine, that's how it is right now with the old handle bar switch and still wont work....
before i changed out the handlebar switch with a new one they worked perfectly fine. But yes i did stick the old ones back in the rear and still no flash.
Maybe you should clean the carbs......
DavidR.
If you've got the turnsignals plugged into the carbs, well uh erm ah....
Wouldn't surprise me, I don't think.
I don't get why you guys think I'm that dumb here to not know how to wire something up, I may be young but I know how to wire something up. I've been working on bikes and cars and trucks since I was 14, dad was an air force mechanic so I know how to work on these things and trouble shoot something. Mechanics are pretty standard throughout everything besides some exception here and there. Turn signals take a hot and a ground, not that hard, and the flasher makes the connection for the blinkers which makes the lights blink.
yea I had a bad experience on here before but I've tried to change that and have but i still get bashed every time I put a post on here. every time!
I mean yea guys say its the dual filament front turn signals, but I know its not cause the stock ones are dual filament also. they pull the same amount of power, then you say its the LED rear ones cause they wouldn't work on your bike, but they work on mine just fine, even when I got this bike 6 months ago it had rear LED signals and has had them ever since until the stems broke and I just replaced them with new LED signals, they work fine.
My original post stated on how can I test the flasher to check and see if its bad.
And ive done everything you guys have told me to to test this.
So I don't understand why yea guys still think I'm so dumb here, yea I may not know everything, that's why were here right?
Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 09:10:56 AM
I don't get why you guys think I'm that dumb here to not know how to wire something up, I may be young but I know how to wire something up. I've been working on bikes and cars and trucks since I was 14, dad was an air force mechanic so I know how to work on these things and trouble shoot something. Mechanics are pretty standard throughout everything besides some exception here and there. Turn signals take a hot and a ground, not that hard, and the flasher makes the connection for the blinkers which makes the lights blink.
yea I had a bad experience on here before but I've tried to change that and have but i still get bashed every time I put a post on here. every time!
I mean yea guys say its the dual filament front turn signals, but I know its not cause the stock ones are dual filament also. they pull the same amount of power, then you say its the LED rear ones cause they wouldn't work on your bike, but they work on mine just fine, even when I got this bike 6 months ago it had rear LED signals and has had them ever since until the stems broke and I just replaced them with new LED signals, they work fine.
My original post stated on how can I test the flasher to check and see if its bad.
And ive done everything you guys have told me to to test this.
So I don't understand why yea guys still think I'm so dumb here, yea I may not know everything, that's why were here right?
Possibly because you reject good advice EVERY F'ING TIME it is offered to you... :dash2:
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Possibly because you reject good advice EVERY F'ING TIME it is offered to you... :dash2:
and ive done everything you guys have told me to and the blinkers still don't flash
Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 09:10:56 AM
I don't get why you guys think I'm that dumb here to not know how to wire something up,
So I don't understand why yea guys still think I'm so dumb here, yea I may not know everything, that's why were here right?
Irish.... you joined in March of this year and you are at nearly 300 posts.... Sr. Member ...... No contribution in 300 posts all questions.
I have been here twice as long and have only 100 or so posts.... I heavily modded my FJ within those 100 posts.
So that is a pretty strong indicator dude.....
Quote from: irishluck on September 08, 2011, 09:37:17 AMQuote
Possibly because you reject good advice EVERY F'ING TIME it is offered to you... :dash2:
and ive done everything you guys have told me to and the blinkers still don't flash
The problems you are having are directly related to the mix-matched bike
you are "building". The problems are unique and the answers are best found in your own garage. A guy that
could solve your problem gives you good advice and it doesn't work because you have done things he is unaware of. You can't expect someone a thousand miles away to have an answer for you when you are creating unknown unique circumstances. ("its an 87 in a 91 with 89-90 harness and blah blah blah"). If you are going to build a Frankenstein you should expect that you will have to figure it out right there in your garage. I did.
Get a meter and trace the power-
figure out what you changed to stop it from working because it seems obvious to me that is the problem- you changed stuff. 50 comments later you reveal some new info that matters.... that is frustrating and these threads are exhausting.... imagine how much reading is required before a guy can give you decent advice only to get a one liner response "no I tried that", "you guys said...."
tim
im just going to change the flasher relay like i should have done from the beginning, cause if I put the original handle bar switch back on with the original turn signals, it still dont work. to me it sounds like that flasher relay cause the fuses and everything are fine.
and its an entire 87 bike just on a 91 frame. no difference in components
Like I said before, all I was wondering was if there was a way to test the relay its self, cause the book didn't show anything.