I'm pretty stoked. Last year when I was there, I just ran it 3 times during a testing session. My best reaction time was .296 which is pretty awesome for the first time on a track. It's funny to see the "high-rollers" with the heavily modded bikes sleeping at the light.
I'm spending the whole weekend there. Racing is on Sunday. Tomorrow I'll ride the 5+ hours to get there, the enter the testing session.
The bike is in VERY good shape - runs strong, new carb jets, pod filters and sync, oil change, no leaks, SCARY crisp throttle response. Should be a good contender for the guys on the new bikes.
Camera - check.
Video camera - check.
Extra underwear - check.
The track's website:
http://kunmadarasmotorsport.hu/jsite/welcome.html (http://kunmadarasmotorsport.hu/jsite/welcome.html)
Awesome!!!! Good Luck. :flag_of_truce:
Lotso, put an old school whooping on those boys! We will be cheering you on :dance:
1/4 mile Kookaloo!!!!
Joe
Best of luck Lotsokids! show em what the FJ can do!
I remember seeing a post where AndyB gets his FJ around the low 10s or 9s flat, you should get some tips from him :i_am_so_happy:
Otherwise knock em dead and came back good and not in lotsopieces :good2:
Quote from: Lotsokids on August 18, 2011, 04:35:08 PM
Camera - check.
Video camera - check.
Extra underwear - check.
Make sure you have em batteries charged :biggrin: Looking forward to all the pictures and vidoes
Just got back home. The race ended early for me as I qualified last and got eliminated today right out the gate.
The good news: By providing $20 and my mother's maiden name (used instead of social security number here in Hungary), I was able to run the old FJ down the track 7 times in 2 days.
Talk about consistency, check out these numbers...
Friday Practise
1st run - 12.03
2nd run - 12.03
3rd run - 11.97
4th run - 11.97
Saturday Qualification
1st run - 11.74 @ 116.74 MPH
2nd run - 11.75 @ 114.54 MPH
Elimination (I choked BAD on the start - I popped the clutch too quick & bogged the engine)
12.19 @ 114.64 MPH
Keep in mind I'm a novice at all this. I had BY FAR the oldest bike there. There was a pretty large crowd. They announced the "American on the Yamaha." I did a good burnout - mostly just for show. After I was eliminated, I rolled past the stands and there were a few people standing by the fence waving and clapping for me. The guy that beat me (GSX-R 1000) came over and as we rode side by side he gave me a "knuckle bump." That was cool. I sure had FUN. It's all over until next summer.
I have the video, but I'll need to post it later. :good:
Really nice job congratulation, I like to model 1/4 mile potential performance. I hate to be nosey but how much do you weigh with your gear. I like this calculator although I know it is no more than directionally correct. http://robrobinette.com/et.htm (http://robrobinette.com/et.htm)
I also run my bikes in the quarter, just got the FJ so have not run this bike yet. One of the guys at Auto Club Sppedway does run a FJ1200 and he is in the high 10's as I remember it from the last time he ran.
Here is a pass made on my Warrior, not a great pass, wandered in the lane way too much. The warrior is not as fast as an FJ, but tons of fun in the end.I mounted the camera on the left front turn signal. I like the Ultraclamp for a camera mount, solid piece.
Yamah XV1700PC warrior at Auto Club Speedway run 3.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuiMTmwzHI#)
Pictures!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0019.jpg)
The FJ with the new chin fairing:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0034.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0036.jpg)
My competition:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0039.jpg)
And the video. As mentioned earlier, I choked bad on the start. The camera angle was too far down, but you can see my opponent leaving me in the reflection on my windscreen.
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/?action=view¤t=Race_Elimination.mp4 (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/?action=view¤t=Race_Elimination.mp4)
Here's a guy who was a more serious racer. He was testing, but I'm not sure why he hesitated during the launch.
1/4 mile track, speed is displayed in KPH.
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/?action=view¤t=Racer_Testing.mp4 (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/?action=view¤t=Racer_Testing.mp4)
Fun, isn't it?
Did that track have incremental times as well? Guessing you had 60' numbers around 2.0s or so. Not bad for a pretty typical streeet setup though.
That said, I'm going to nag you a little :)
Launching hard is really terrifying to do. The goal is basically to snap the gas to WOT immediately and then use the clutch to control what rpm you're leaving at. Some confuse their staging rpm (waiting at the light) and their actual launching rpm (feeding it clutch). On my FJ when I was running at (nearly-)stock height in the back with the forks raised 10mm (I think, my notes don't say), I was staging around 2500-3500rpm--high enough to ensure crisp throttle response when I hit the gas--and actually launching around 4500-5000.
What's your weight and do you have weather information? It strikes me that your mph is really quite low (but appropriate for the run, not that you're riding badly, just that you're maybe down on power). Looking through my notes (139 runs logged on the FJ at the dragstrip with notes on setup and conditions), I found an 11.79 @ 115mph (at sea level correction... great air!), which seems comparable to your runs. It was a 1.90 60', 7.58 @ 94mph at half track. That was at a total weight of about 740lbs(336kg), with me being 215lbs(97kg) in leather. So, if you weigh comparably to that, and the air was comparable, you've got a bunch left in the bike :)
Best run in that state of tune was 11.44 @ 116mph, so you're pretty close to getting all of what your bike currently has to offer (1.84 60'). If you want to really get the numbers down, swap the dogbones to lower the rear about 2-2.5" and use a strap to tie the forks down fully--I'd bet you'd drop .3-.4 from your overall time in a heartbeat. Double check your plugs and state of tune also; again depending on your total weight and the air density, I think the bike could have a fair bit left in it, possibly even 10.9's with a strap, lowering, and some jetting tweaks.
Don't use ET to look for horsepower. MPH is a more accurate indicator as a rule, especially once you can consistently launch at WOT. I use a great big spreadsheet that I may or may not have posted at some point in the files section that allows me to pretty accurately predict my times. Throwing your numbers at it, it suggests (at 740lbs, again) that 11.3's are a nearly perfect run. It also suggests that you're making (uncorrected for altitude/DA) about 94rwhp currently--depending on the air quality, as much as 10-15hp down from what's possible (again that's only guessing about your weight). If the track has incremental timing (60', 330', 660', 1000', 1320' clocks) then the most accurate way to estimate power is by the back-half mph gain (between the 1/8th and 1/4 mph numbers).
Depending on the track prep, you can skip the burnout. If you really want to do it well (or if you definitely need the heat in the tire), try doing it in second gear. Just remember to go back to first before you launch!
Fun, isn't it? :)
What was that last bike? Sounded like a 2-stroke.
DavidR.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on August 21, 2011, 11:12:31 AM
What was that last bike? Sounded like a 2-stroke.
Heavily modded Suzuki with nitrus, etc. 4-stroke. WIDE OPEN exhaust.
Andy,
I weigh 224. No leathers. They seem to not be too strict on some rules here... or maybe they didn't know how to tell me in English. Every other rider I saw was in leathers.
Good tips, but a lot to digest. I qualified last at 11.74. The next guy above me (the one I raced in eliminations) qualified at 11.2. When I saw the stats, I reverted to "just having fun" mode. Great experience, but I have no intentions to race the FJ seriously. I'll probably go back next year... again just for the experience and thrill. The best $20 I've ever spent.
I forgot to share a picture of the FJ all loaded down for the trip. This was at Burger King in Budapest. The stuffed tank bag was really comfortable to lean on. I can't say enough about the plastic throttle-side "wrist saver" that I used also. It was more than a 5 hour ride to get to the track (and that's averaging about 90 MPH the whole way).
Great weather + solid bike + drag racing = 1 happy Lotsokids. I've been telling everyone at work that I've never had so much fun losing!
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0004.jpg)
I gotta ask, did you mount the belly pan at an angle?
It looks like it has a huge gap opening between the front edge and the pipes.
I love the red and black color scheme!
Leon
Lotsokids - this thread kept me entertained for quite a while tonight. Beats the heck out of the Little League World Series. Great pics and vids. BTW, my son is a SERE Specialist at Fairchild AFB in Spokane. He upgraded to an R1 and took the AF sport bike course last year. Must have done well - they asked him if he had any interest is becoming an instructor. Thanks again.
1tinindian - Yeah it runs into my frame sliders. I plan to cut it back and angle it up sometime soon.
cyclenutk75 - That's awesome about your son. The R1's were hard doing the Sport Bike course... seems they are geared kind of high or something. A couple of the corners were slow. I instructed at McChord AFB, but after the "hostile takeover" of the Army with the joint basing, the AF course seems to have dissolved and an Army program was set up.
AF Base Commander = Colonel
Army Base Commander = General
Guess who won?
Here are my scanned time slips. :boredom:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/TimeSlips.jpg)
Looking pretty good!
They're hard to read though, so...
reat .3988 .4365 .2934
.60 1.933 1.945 2.263
660 7.565 7.597 8.004
.mph 95.83 96.59 95.75
1/4 11.759 11.744 12.199
.mph 115.20 117.42 115.31
So a gain of 20-21mph on the back half.
Just comparing to my own "best of" runs with a comparable setup (pm me and I can give you all of the details), but in short I was lowered .25" or so at both ends, piped and pods. The best I'm seeing is a 1.83 60 time (an even tenth quicker) and 99mph at half track; 122mph at the line after 11.395s. Notice that I picked up 23mph from 660-1320 and that was while fighting more air resistance (higher speeds). That tells me your motor has more to give, just gotta tune for it! I use the back half mph gain as an indicator because functionally it's one shift at most and you should be easily able to leave the gas open, so it takes the rider out of the equation. For one of your earliest tries at racing, you did excellent!!
My first pass was a 12.80, by the end of that day (8 passes) I managed 11.84. Turns out my tune was a billion miles off, and with just adjusting the carbs and not really changing my riding style I ended up at 11.39. Leaving the tune there and adding a strap on the front (and incredibly great weather) I netted a 10.97. So while when you're running, it feels like a long ways off, it's actually pretty easy to go loads faster at the "slower" motorcycle speeds (sucks ass I understand to go from 8.90 to 8.50, but 11.90 to 11.50 is cake!)
I know a lot of folks look down their noses at dragracing, because "any idiot can go fast in a straight line" and I don't argue with them. But it takes a special kind of idiot to snap the gas fully open and abuse the clutch to go quickly in a straight line. :)
Thanks Andy. I'm not sure how to tune it any better. I think I'm at the end of my personal tuning skills. I don't have a dyno here, either.
For the record, I'm not offended by comments or improvements that could be made. No worries there. I admit I'm not the best... in fact, Saturday I was the worst, but I sure had FUN. Can anyone race for a couple days in the U.S. for only $20?
Very impressive that you got into the 10's. My goal last weekend was just to get into the 11's.
According to internet stats the bike does(can) a standing quarter mile in 10.7sec at 200kph...
So im pretty sure you will be able to do it lotsokids.
Im lucky in a way that I only weigh 70kg with riding kit(154pounds) yeah I know Im a skinny shit, difference is I have no drag experience other than on my 125 and theres not much difficulty at launching a 110kg bike at max throttle, the FJ on the other hand is something I would have to get my hands on and really knuckle down, so from the race virgins like me, you, Andy and a bunch of the other guys here are great inspiration :good2:
Quote from: FJt!llD3@th on August 25, 2011, 07:57:06 AM
According to internet stats the bike does(can) a standing quarter mile in 10.7sec at 200kph...
So im pretty sure you will be able to do it lotsokids.
Im lucky in a way that I only weigh 70kg with riding kit(154pounds) yeah I know Im a skinny shit, difference is I have no drag experience other than on my 125 and theres not much difficulty at launching a 110kg bike at max throttle, the FJ on the other hand is something I would have to get my hands on and really knuckle down, so from the race virgins like me, you, Andy and a bunch of the other guys here are great inspiration :good2:
Depending on which year and who tested it. That's also an altitude corrected time. For comparison, on a particularly nasty day at the track I managed a 10.58 on my ZX9 (with a gentle help from a nitrous bottle), so that's what the timeslip said. Had I been writing for a magazine, it'd have been written as a 10.17! I think fj1289 (on this forum) went mid 10's with his FJ (big overbore, headwork, cams, but it wasn't running properly), yet with the air he was running in a corrected number would have been well into the 9 second range! Assume that the magazines are testing with a very competent, lightweight jockey (130-150lbs in gear, typically), and their idea of "stock" isn't always what came out of the showroom. For example, Rickey Gadson ran an R6 down the track and posted a 9 second run, but it was lowered, strapped, geared, and on race gas.
If you can get an internally stock FJ to run mid-low 11's at stock height, you're doing very, very well indeed.
Great thread! Loving the photos & stories.
Excellent bike. Nice color scheme.
Quote from: andyb on August 25, 2011, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: FJt!llD3@th on August 25, 2011, 07:57:06 AM
If you can get an internally stock FJ to run mid-low 11's at stock height, you're doing very, very well indeed.
I understand that, but now my friend, 60kg heavier than me, who has a zx14(if you may remember me saying loong long ago) beat my bike just barely while my other friend 20 kg heavier than me (much more experienced than I) was riding it. If I learnt and practised would I be able to beat this zx14 with my wieght advantage and some good tuning?
Quote from: Lotsokids on August 21, 2011, 02:46:38 AM
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/SANY0019.jpg)
^^^^^^^^ I see that your right controls include the option for OFF/PO/ON for your lights. Do you also have the high beam trigger on your left controls, up by your index finger?
Quote from: Steve_in_Florida on August 25, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
Quote from: Lotsokids on August 21, 2011, 02:46:38 AM
^^^^^^^^ I see that your right controls include the option for OFF/PO/ON for your lights. Do you also have the high beam trigger on your left controls, up by your index finger?
My bike has that I thought all FJs did - otherwise what significance is this?
Quote from: FJt!llD3@th on August 25, 2011, 08:36:39 AM
I understand that, but now my friend, 60kg heavier than me, who has a zx14(if you may remember me saying loong long ago) beat my bike just barely while my other friend 20 kg heavier than me (much more experienced than I) was riding it. If I learnt and practised would I be able to beat this zx14 with my wieght advantage and some good tuning?
He should slaughter you if he's a good rider.
The non-US market FJ's have the switch to turn off the headlamp. It's blanked for the US market.
Quote from: andyb on August 25, 2011, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: FJt!llD3@th on August 25, 2011, 08:36:39 AM
I understand that, but now my friend, 60kg heavier than me, who has a zx14(if you may remember me saying loong long ago) beat my bike just barely while my other friend 20 kg heavier than me (much more experienced than I) was riding it. If I learnt and practised would I be able to beat this zx14 with my wieght advantage and some good tuning?
He should slaughter you if he's a good rider.
The non-US market FJ's have the switch to turn off the headlamp. It's blanked for the US market.
Bummer, Il make sure hes drunk if I challenge him again :hang1:not too drunk though - he still needs to ride in a straight line. Just for interest sake Andy how would the FJR1300 fair against the zx14 in a drag race?
As for the switch I didnt even realise there was that much of a difference between different country models
Never seen an FJR at the dragstrip. I'd have to guess that it would lose to a ZX14 though, it's down on power and a pinch heavier by comparison but more importantly can't be geared. I'd also guess that most 14 owners go for more power mods, and more FJR owners look into comfort and usefulness mods.
But it's hugely down to the rider. I've lost badly to stupid crap that I should have smoked because of mistakes before.. and beaten guys I should have been destroyed by for the same reason!
Quote from: andyb on August 25, 2011, 09:28:38 AM
Never seen an FJR at the dragstrip. I'd have to guess that it would lose to a ZX14 though, it's down on power and a pinch heavier by comparison but more importantly can't be geared. I'd also guess that most 14 owners go for more power mods, and more FJR owners look into comfort and usefulness mods.
But it's hugely down to the rider. I've lost badly to stupid crap that I should have smoked because of mistakes before.. and beaten guys I should have been destroyed by for the same reason!
Oh okay thanks for clearing that up, I merely asked because as again internet stats showed the FJR at quite the equivalent to the 1100 with the standing quarter mile. 1 last stupid question, since the 1100 beats the 1200s(usually) is that the same for the FJR1300 and 1100?
Here's some interesting info about my race video. My landlord's brother came over and translated the announcer's comments. He said the announcer said that I had no chance against the other racer in the right lane. He also said this is an international race - an American against a Hungarian. I'm sure the announcer knew I didn't speak much Hungarian. I didn't know he was talkin' smack before I even got to the line.
Do I need to go back next year with a vengeance?
Andy, want to come over and tune this thing for me?
You can do it, but the biggest tunup is in your right wrist :)
A couple pictures taken at the track. :good2:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/Race.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/Lotsokids/Kunmadaras%20Drag%20Races/Race2.jpg)
This thread has me wanting to hit the local 1/8 mile track.
Seat of the pants, seems the FJ should run in the low 7's.
I had a 2002 Honda 919 that ran 7:40's and the FJ sure feels quicker.
Maybe Wednesday, maybe Wednesday.....
Plan is to head to the drag strip tomorrow night.
Have a buddy with a FZ1 going as well, should be interesting.
Wife is going to take pics and video, if all works out.
Wish us luck!
Quote from: motohorseman on September 06, 2011, 07:06:42 PM
Wife is going to take pics and video, if all works out.
That's awesome! We can't wait to see the pics and vids. HAVE FUN!!!
Quote from: motohorseman on September 03, 2011, 06:10:42 PM
This thread has me wanting to hit the local 1/8 mile track.
Seat of the pants, seems the FJ should run in the low 7's.
I had a 2002 Honda 919 that ran 7:40's and the FJ sure feels quicker.
Maybe Wednesday, maybe Wednesday.....
Did you ever go?
With the suspension at stock height, 7.2's was the best I could muster in the 1/8, at about 220lbs myself.
Lowering the bike at both ends (strap and adjustable dogbones) and with a bit more practice, it just broke into the 6's through the 1/8, running just slightly into the triple digits at the top of third gear.