so i guess i put the spark wires on backward on cylinder 3 and 4 of my 87 fj1200
went to turn it over, heard bigging popping noise, and now it wont start, cranbks but no start.
My guess is it snapped a cam shaft or jumped timing, anyone give me any advice?
heard big popping noise***
If there's no nasty noises when turning it over, start with a compression test.
If that is flunked, pull the valve cover and start lookin for issues.
ya not gona do a compression test cause it pops
i really think i just threw the timing.
Possibly, take it apart and look.
well i did take the head cover off and when we looked at it we couldn't tell much difference but think i jumped one tooth. How do i possible turn the crank to line the cams up to make sure there timed?
Degree wheel, pointer, positive stop. Or line up the marks and see where they're at. Didn't you just have this thing apart?
You'll have to pull the cams to realign things.
oh no the engine, i mean i pulled the engine out yes to clean and paint the outside and to reaplce wheel bearing and uh paint the frame and such too, never dissasembled the engine... but now i guess i do ha.
so as fasr as i know ill have to loosen the chain which is the one thing idk how to do, then just line the cams up and put the chain back on right?
i guess in lamest terms
Get a service manual, and make your life a zillionty times easier. That'll show where the timing marks are and explain how to do things in a much easier format.
oh i got one, i just thought someone could explain it a little better and a easier way to do it, and i dont mean by cutting corners, i mean by just explaing it easier than the book can
Irish,
You would be very well served by taking a course in basic automotive servicing. One that starts with how to change a tire and goes from there.
All the manuals for the FJ presume a basic knowledge of maintenance procedures which you seem to lack.
Knowing that you want to have your bike available to ride this season, I think your best bet is to take it to a dealer.
Sorry to make this suggestion, but it might be the best way.
Best of luck,
Arnie
Quote from: irishluck on April 18, 2011, 10:23:23 PM
oh i got one, i just thought someone could explain it a little better and a easier way to do it, and i dont mean by cutting corners, i mean by just explaing it easier than the book can
well let me ask this question, I know everything about cars and repair. I can rebuild a car in 6 months. My last one i rebuilt was a 1973 dodge charger. I can do anything with mechanics, my deal is I guess are they the same as bikes?
I guess i should have asked this question in the first place=/
But I just have no idea how bike engines are and what not, I mean I understand that there the same concept, but I'm pretty sure there is many differences from a car and bike.
(popcorn) (popcorn)
Quote from: irishluck on April 18, 2011, 08:18:50 PM
okay boss let me explain this a little easier for ya.
yes i work for a motorcycle shop, IM A WEBSITE DESIGHNER. not a mechanic. better? good
Quote from: irishluck on April 19, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
I know everything about cars and repair. I can do anything with mechanics,
I sometimes wonder if you are actually Klavdy or someone else just trolling here...but sadly that is not the case. Apparently you are real.
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(popcorn) (popcorn)
i dont think the engine could jump timing by backfiring unless the cam chain tensioner was out of the engine.
put the plug wires back on correctly and start looking at cleaning out the carb float bowls and jets.
KOokaloo!
I agree with Frank, I find it hard to believe you could jump the timing by mixing up the plug leads. But it wouldn't be hard to check. Line the crank shaft mark to TDC and check the cam alignment marks. (the holes in the cam caps) It's really not any harder than a car with over head cams and a timing chain or belt. In fact it is probably easier.
Quote from: Travis398 on April 19, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
It's really not any harder than a car with over head cams and a timing chain or belt. In fact it is probably easier.
Speaking as a recovering ASE master tech, yup the FJ is quite a bit easier! Don't have to remove the belts, alternator, AC, PS, cruise control, fuel lines, vacuum hoses, motor mounts, assorted bracketage, wheel, ABS wheel speed sensor, inner fender, coolant, radiator hoses, upper and lower timing covers, and crank pulley. Note that I didn't mention the easy to remove valve cover, because the marks are only on the belt pullies for many.
well let me explain the situation of what happened a little better and see if it makes since any more.
Got the whole bike back together and it started up fine(this kinda pertains to the second post i have about the running problem) but then it would die and so forth.
So i thought that the 3 and 4 wires were mixed up, so i reversed the two, tried to starting it and then heard big pop noise, tried to crank again and some weird noises came from inside. Tore the head cover off and the cams aren't broke, still cranks, i know the crank is fine, and bearing sound fine, From the looking off the cams and the timing chain it does look like it had to of jumped timing, the tensioner was tight and all on the engine.
And from knowledge working on cars, usually if something has jumped timing it wont start right, But cars and bikes are a little different, so after reading this what do ya guys think
Quote from: racerman_27410 on April 19, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
i dont think the engine could jump timing by backfiring unless the cam chain tensioner was out of the engine.
put the plug wires back on correctly and start looking at cleaning out the carb float bowls and jets.
KOokaloo!
Oh forgot to ad, the carbs are freshly rebuilt, cleaned with new jets and all
Maybe i've missed something but, have you tried to run the engine since all this happened?
yes and no, ive tried to crank and after cranking for maybe 10 seconds it makes a weird noise.
Im kinda afraid to keep cranking until i find out whats going on
So this weird noise, is it a popping or something different like a fizz-click or crunch or clatter? :wacko3:
its been 2 days since ive messed with it so if I member right id say a popping noise
Quote from: irishluck on April 20, 2011, 09:52:51 AM
Got the whole bike back together and it started up fine
So i thought that the 3 and 4 wires were mixed up, so i reversed the two, tried to starting it and then heard big pop noise,
It sounds like it was running fine before you changed the plug wires. maybe you should change them back, and the noise will go away.
it will pop if the timing is 180 off. remember one coil does 1-4. and the other does 2-3.
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It sounds like it was running fine before you changed the plug wires. maybe you should change them back, and the noise will go away.
it will pop if the timing is 180 off. remember one coil does 1-4. and the other does 2-3.
well i did that and it wont start now and still pops ha
and as you say, 1-4 and other does 2-3, welll we might have another problem then....
and the reason why i switched them in the first place was cause it sounded like it was getting enough power like it really wouldnt rev up
Quick visual check time.
Did it backfire through the carbs and pop them off their mounts?
Cam timing is super easy if you don't have slotted sprockets. The dots line up, or they don't.
Original problem was dirty carbs, dirty plugs, bad HT leads, or the like, most likely the first.
no did not backfire through the carbs cause thats an easy issue, it didnt backfire at all, it just made a big popping noise, like something snapping
now heres another issue ive came across checking the cams and the timing chain.
book says to line the crank up to position number 1, ive done that.
Its says that cylinder one, which im assuming is when your sitting on the bike its on the far left of the engine, if so then i have an issue, the book says that the cam lobes should both be pointing outwards, mine are both inwards and the far right cylinder which im assuming is number 4 is pointing outwards.
2nd when i align the crank into position number 1 it says in the book that the in and the ex will align with the top of the cylinder head well in in is actually a tooth or 2 higher than the head and the cam is about 1 or 2 teeth lower than the cylinder head
any advice would be great here
edit:
the book also states that on the top of the cam there are 2 holes in the right side on the engine, and when in position 1 that the cams have a punch in them that line up to those holes, the EX cam lines up fine but the IN cam looks like also a tooth off or so.
If you are at TDC on the compression stroke, the lobes should point up, away from the piston. Sounds to me like you're on the exhaust stroke..... And you are correct in cyl numbering, left-most cyl is #1.
Quote from: RichBaker on April 21, 2011, 12:56:47 AM
If you are at TDC on the compression stroke, the lobes should point up, away from the piston. Sounds to me like you're on the exhaust stroke..... And you are correct in cyl numbering, left-most cyl is #1.
okay yea i guess i did it backwards so now the lobes are pointing outwards, mine don't point up though and the book says that that are suppose to point outwards, not up.
Also someone mentioned that the coils are suppose to be that the first one is 1-4 and the 2nd coil is 2-3.
Well my coils are that the first one is 1-2 and the 2nd one is 3-4.
And before i was having these problems taking it all part and what not the bike ran just fine, i mean i rode it for a couple of days just fine.
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
Also someone mentioned that the coils are suppose to be that the first one is 1-4 and the 2nd coil is 2-3.
****Well, my coils are that the first one is 1-2 and the 2nd one is 3-4.****
There is at least one of you problems right there. I doubt the bike would run at all wired this way, and in fact, may well make 'loud poping noises in the engine' when you try to run it. [1-4 / 2-3] is correct. [1-2 / 3-4] is decidedly incorrect.
Dan
My god a real racer, he can create his own firring order. Guys that's what we've been doing wrong all these years. :dash2: :dash2:
He has a crossplane crank....
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 21, 2011, 10:58:50 AM
He has a crossplane crank....
That's right I forgot the RACERS got the crossplane :lol: :lol: :wacko3:
And that also explanes the fuel system that he has. :biggrin:
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 21, 2011, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
****Well, my coils are that the first one is 1-2 and the 2nd one is 3-4.****
There is at least one of you problems right there. I doubt the bike would run at all wired this way, and in fact, may well make 'loud poping noises in the engine' when you try to run it. [1-4 / 2-3] is correct. [1-2 / 3-4] is decidedly incorrect.
Dan
Listen to Dan. The firing order on the FJ motor is 1-2-4-3. Sitting on the bike, looking down, the left hand coil goes to cylinders 1 and 4; the right hand coil goes to cylinders 2 and 3.......Unless you have the crossplane crank motor.
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
Two bags is not enough for this... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: rktmanfj on April 21, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
Two bags is not enough for this... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
I heard that with my bad ear. :wacko1:
well then I have a cross plane motor or what ever, cause my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
Hooked it all back up how it was when tore apart, started just fine, but after couple minutes shut off, switched plug wires, tried to start and it popped and now wont start.
and now the even weirder thing about it is when i crank it over now, there is no popping noise or nothing
So what exactly is a crossplane motor
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
well then I have a cross plane motor or what ever,
No you don't. You are just confused, ignorant and arrogant. Why do you continue to ask for advice when you won't take ANY of it?
Quote from: rktmanfj on April 21, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
Two bags is not enough for this... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
+1
look man I'm telling you my left coil is on cylinder 1 and 2 and my right on is on 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine, I know how cylinders fire. why the hell would i make that up. I'm trying to take back as much advice as I can get but when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here. Hell i can even plug the wires back up and start it and send you a picture and video, would that prove my point to yea that i know what I'm talking about
Quote from: Marsh White on April 21, 2011, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
well then I have a cross plane motor or what ever,
No you don't. You are just confused, ignorant and arrogant. Why do you continue to ask for advice when you won't take ANY of it?
(popcorn) (popcorn) :crazy: :rofl:
I reckon the engine is one tooth out on the camshaft.
I did this ONCE, and the bike ran but very strangely, but did actally run, luckily didn't valve versus piston interaction didn't occur.
Two teeth out on the cam and it's tit's up.
But i am beginning to think irishluck seems fullo'shit!
Come on son :drinks:
alright you all think what ya want, since im the irish guy full of shit and dont know jack
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
look man I'm telling you my left coil is on cylinder 1 and 2 and my right on is on 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine, I know how cylinders fire. why the hell would i make that up. I'm trying to take back as much advice as I can get but when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here. Hell i can even plug the wires back up and start it and send you a picture and video, would that prove my point to yea that i know what I'm talking about
Well , now you know why it ran like shit. you where only running on two cylinders.
A motorcycle engine uses a different ign firing than a car. the coil fires one of the cylinders on compression and the other on exhaust as it rotates 180 degrees and does it again for the one that fired on exhaust now fires on compression.
A simple check is to touch the exhaust pipes next to the head one at a time while the engine is running , the ones that are hot are firing, cool ones are not.
wire it back up as the group has suggested left coil 1-4 right 2-3 or do it your way as you have the only fj on the planet with this weirdo wiring, and do the test.
I would recommend new spark plugs to be sure they are good.
perhaps you should read the tune up section of your manual and then proceed.
All you have to do is listen.
My coil wires have #s on them dont yours.Coil 1 is 1 and 4 plugs.Coil 2 is 2 and 3 plugs.You have it wrong if you have coil 1 on 1 and 2 plugs and coil 2 on 3 and 4 plugs.
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:16:17 PMbut when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here.
Shame on you guys! :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
no there are no numbers
perhaps you should read the tune up section of your manual and then proceed.
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:dash2:
:crazy: Irish..... not trying to be a dick but........
you would be well advised to pay attention and not be so combative since we all have great running FJ's and you WANT yours to run great (which it presently does not.)
Obviously we know some things that you dont eh ?
KOokaloo!
this thread needs to go to the humor section because I am lmao!
:lol:
Quote from: racerman_27410 on April 21, 2011, 03:23:49 PM
:crazy: Irish..... not trying to be a dick but........
you would be well advised to pay attention and not be so combative since we all have great running FJ's and you WANT yours to run great (which it presently does not.)
Obviously we know some things that you dont eh ?
KOokaloo!
Frank, unfortunatley we already covered all of this in one of his many other posts...
Quote from: racerrad8 on April 18, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on April 18, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
Marsh, I think he is stressed, getting bashed by us when the PO did the super quality work and left him with a sub standard bike. That would drive me batty (homicidal) . The older the bike, the more crazy and numerous the PO's are found. Bugger the PO's!!!!
That's all fine and dandy that he is "stressed", but I think he has turned/pissed off those that have a great amount of experience by his reply posts of those offering assistance.
His posts are condescending, rude and basically tell those who have tried to help him to date: Nope, you don't know what you're talking about.
The ironic part of it all is the fact I look at the picture, after reading all of his posts, for just a few seconds and it appears the in-line valve the "PO" installed is closed. It might let a little bit of fuel by, but it would likely run out causing the bike to "die"...
This website is a great source of information and people willing to help, but 99% of the time the answers are "spitball" answers trying to narrow the problem because no one explains things the same way.
From there the receiver of that "help" should not be condescending telling someone "it's common sense", "okay boss let me explain this a little easier for ya", and finally "better? good".
And now after I respond there is a valve in line; "hold on, there is a valve on it and it does shut the fuel off when needed."
Maybe, he can turn around the many he has alienated and get the assistance he needs, but again, by the tone of his replies; we'll have to see what happens.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
alright you all think what ya want, since im the irish guy full of shit and dont know jack
The truth finally comes out from the person who knows him the best.
Quote from: Mark Olson on April 21, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
.....wire it back up as the group has suggested left coil 1-4 right 2-3 or do it your way as you have the only fj on the planet with this weirdo wiring, and do the test. I would recommend new spark plugs to be sure they are good.
Irish, listen to Mark. Try it. What do you have to lose?
However, if you do HAPPEN to have a rare crossplane crank Yamaha motor, you could do some serious damage to the valves if you followed Mark's advice....
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 21, 2011, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Mark Olson on April 21, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
.....wire it back up as the group has suggested left coil 1-4 right 2-3 or do it your way as you have the only fj on the planet with this weirdo wiring, and do the test. I would recommend new spark plugs to be sure they are good.
Irish, listen to Mark. Try it. What do you have to lose?
However, if you do HAPPEN to have a rare crossplane crank Yamaha motor, you could do some serious damage to the valves if you followed Mark's advice....
possibly busted valves, im guessing the only way to actually check this would be to look at the crank
look i wire it ur guys way and see what happens and let ya all know tonight around 8
Quote from: irishluck on April 20, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
book says to line the crank up to position number 1, ive done that.
Its says that cylinder one, which im assuming is when your sitting on the bike its on the far left of the engine, if so then i have an issue, the book says that the cam lobes should both be pointing outwards, mine are both inwards and the far right cylinder which im assuming is number 4 is pointing outward.
Am I just wasting my time here? notice #4 was outward and #1 inward. Then you rotate the crank one more revolution and this time #1 outward and #4 inward.
A quick check would tell you that cylinders 1 and 4 are at TDC at the same time. (just a different stroke)
Turn the crank half a turn and cylinders 2 and 3 will be at TDC.
since cylinders 1 and 4 are going up and down at the same time the same coil needs to fire them.
if you put the coil on 1 and 2 cylinder 2 will fire when the piston is all the way down.
It's okay if you have no clue about motors. but still you should know the coil needs to fire on the compression stroke near the top.
So check your motor and tell me is cylinders 1 and 4 at the top at the same time or 1 and 2 at the top at the same time?
Quote from: Travis398 on April 21, 2011, 04:06:54 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 20, 2011, 07:39:05 PM
book says to line the crank up to position number 1, ive done that.
Its says that cylinder one, which im assuming is when your sitting on the bike its on the far left of the engine, if so then i have an issue, the book says that the cam lobes should both be pointing outwards, mine are both inwards and the far right cylinder which im assuming is number 4 is pointing outward.
Am I just wasting my time here? notice #4 was outward and #1 inward. Then you rotate the crank one more revolution and this time #1 outward and #4 inward.
A quick check would tell you that cylinders 1 and 4 are at TDC at the same time. (just a different stroke)
Turn the crank half a turn and cylinders 2 and 3 will be at TDC.
since cylinders 1 and 4 are going up and down at the same time the same coil needs to fire them.
if you put the coil on 1 and 2 cylinder 2 will fire when the piston is all the way down.
It's okay if you have no clue about motors. but still you should know the coil needs to fire on the compression stroke near the top.
So check your motor and tell me is cylinders 1 and 4 at the top at the same time or 1 and 2 at the top at the same time?
:shok: :shout: :mad: :ireful::empathy3: :flag_of_truce: (popcorn)
ok
Quote from: Travis398 on April 21, 2011, 04:06:54 PM
Am I just wasting my time here?
Survey says...
YES! :biggrin:
Randy T
Indy
And by the way the FJ of any type NEVER had a CROSS PLANE CRANK!!!
Man You bot HOOK LINE AND SINKER :sarcastic:
Let me pile on here.
Yes, your coils are wired just fine. Don't rewire your coils, just swap the spark plug wires between cylinders #2 and #4.
DavidR.
:dash2:You can lead a horse to drink but you can't make him water I have found after 65 years. (popcorn)
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 21, 2011, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Mark Olson on April 21, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
.....wire it back up as the group has suggested left coil 1-4 right 2-3 or do it your way as you have the only fj on the planet with this weirdo wiring, and do the test. I would recommend new spark plugs to be sure they are good.
Irish, listen to Mark. Try it. What do you have to lose?
However, if you do HAPPEN to have a rare crossplane crank Yamaha motor, you could do some serious damage to the valves if you followed Mark's advice....
OK, I'm going to take a wild guess here on the popping sound.
The plug wires are wrong and when you cranked it over there was an air/fuel in the cylinders that sparked out of time.....you heard this as the popping sound.........now its cleared the cylinders and you don't hear it any more.
You DO NOT have a cross plane engine, just mixed up plug wires. If it was a cross plane engine, the lobes on the cams would be phased differently too.
Take the plugs out and turn the engine over by hand........ you will find that pistons 1 and 4 are at the top at the same time, then 2 and 3 will rise together and 1 & 4 will descend. Just stick a screwdriver down the plug holes to confirm this.....its easy. BUT don't let the screwdriver bind on the plug threads or cock sideways or you'll break something.
Now that you have found that you do have a standard FJ engine, put the plugs back and wire them correctly.
Is the bolt on the end of the crank tight and are the screws that holds the ignition module tight? May be your ignition timing has slipped. You have check that you are getting a spark - correct?
These engines are not different to car engines mechanically, just electrically. A straight 6 car engine is usually 1-5-3-6-2-4, with pistons 1 & 6, 5 &2, and 3 & 4 working as pairs, one of the pair on the compression stroke and the other on the exhaust stroke. Same on the FJ - 1 @ 4 paired and 2 & 3 paired. The only difference is that a car will have a distributor and only fires 1 plug at a time, while the FJ fires 2 plugs at the same time - one plug for the cylinder on the compression stroke and the other plug for the cylinder on the exhaust stroke........ its called a lost spark ignition system.
Happy Easter everyone!
Harvy
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
look man I'm telling you my left coil is on cylinder 1 and 2 and my right on is on 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine, I know how cylinders fire. why the hell would i make that up. I'm trying to take back as much advice as I can get but when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here. Hell i can even plug the wires back up and start it and send you a picture and video, would that prove my point to yea that i know what I'm talking about
So your FJ is totally different from every other FJ out there???? Get a clue and quit arguing..... :dash2:
I know there's FJ's out there with crossplane cranks. In fact, they occasionally develop multi-piece crossplane cranks.
And around the same time, they develop big jagged lightening holes in the cases, and proceed to not run very well afterwards. New cases, crank, rods, pistons, and heads are often required to retune them to a running condition. :rofl2:
I've had a few of those kinds of motors before, I didn't realize that they were so rare. :sarcastic:
I can show you pics of where a lot of them go to rest, it's a sad sight. :bad:
They ooze dollar bills out for a LONG time. :empathy3:
Bob W
Quote from: andyb on April 21, 2011, 07:35:41 PM
I know there's FJ's out there with crossplane cranks. In fact, they occasionally develop multi-piece crossplane cranks.
And around the same time, they develop big jagged lightening holes in the cases, and proceed to not run very well afterwards. New cases, crank, rods, pistons, and heads are often required to retune them to a running condition. :rofl2:
Andy....... I've got one of them....its not an FJ, its a 2.5 diesel - and its buried under the concrete floor of my garage....... :biggrin:
Harvy
You said:
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
look man I'm telling you my left coil is on cylinder 1 and 2 and my right on is on 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine, I know how cylinders fire. why the hell would i make that up. I'm trying to take back as much advice as I can get but when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here. Hell i can even plug the wires back up and start it and send you a picture and video, would that prove my point to yea that i know what I'm talking about
and you also said:
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
...my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
Hooked it all back up how it was when tore apart, started just fine, but after couple minutes shut off, switched plug wires, tried to start and it popped and now wont start....
So, if you're so damn SURE it ran FINE with 1-2-3-4 wiring... wait for it... then why did you, by your own admission
"switched plug wires"??!! Maybe, just maybe, because you were not sure?
Dude, I'm not really one for piling on or flaming but you are just sooo out of line it's not even funny. You're asking for help, in the most belligerent way I've seen in quite a while. Worse, you are not even listening to the good advice you're being given.
There are lots of forums out there that roll like that, all ignorant and rude, maybe that's where you should go?
Just a thought,
Dan
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
...my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
If it "ran perfectly fine" then why did you "[tear] it apart"
This sure seems like you're contradicting yourself [again].
Marsh, are you SURE this is not actually Klavdy?
Dan
:bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :bad:
Too much popcorn!
Randy T
Indy
look i wire it ur guys way and see what happens and let ya all know tonight around 8
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What time is it , is it 8 yet :drinks: (popcorn)
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 21, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
...my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
If it "ran perfectly fine" then why did you "[tear] it apart"
This sure seems like you're contradicting yourself [again].
Marsh, are you SURE this is not actually Klavdy?
Dan
as stated before dan, i tore it apart to replace bearing and seals, i never tore the engine part. read.
Quote from: Harvy on April 21, 2011, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 21, 2011, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Mark Olson on April 21, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
.....wire it back up as the group has suggested left coil 1-4 right 2-3 or do it your way as you have the only fj on the planet with this weirdo wiring, and do the test. I would recommend new spark plugs to be sure they are good.
Irish, listen to Mark. Try it. What do you have to lose?
However, if you do HAPPEN to have a rare crossplane crank Yamaha motor, you could do some serious damage to the valves if you followed Mark's advice....
OK, I'm going to take a wild guess here on the popping sound.
The plug wires are wrong and when you cranked it over there was an air/fuel in the cylinders that sparked out of time.....you heard this as the popping sound.........now its cleared the cylinders and you don't hear it any more.
You DO NOT have a cross plane engine, just mixed up plug wires. If it was a cross plane engine, the lobes on the cams would be phased differently too.
Take the plugs out and turn the engine over by hand........ you will find that pistons 1 and 4 are at the top at the same time, then 2 and 3 will rise together and 1 & 4 will descend. Just stick a screwdriver down the plug holes to confirm this.....its easy. BUT don't let the screwdriver bind on the plug threads or cock sideways or you'll break something.
Now that you have found that you do have a standard FJ engine, put the plugs back and wire them correctly.
Is the bolt on the end of the crank tight and are the screws that holds the ignition module tight? May be your ignition timing has slipped. You have check that you are getting a spark - correct?
These engines are not different to car engines mechanically, just electrically. A straight 6 car engine is usually 1-5-3-6-2-4, with pistons 1 & 6, 5 &2, and 3 & 4 working as pairs, one of the pair on the compression stroke and the other on the exhaust stroke. Same on the FJ - 1 @ 4 paired and 2 & 3 paired. The only difference is that a car will have a distributor and only fires 1 plug at a time, while the FJ fires 2 plugs at the same time - one plug for the cylinder on the compression stroke and the other plug for the cylinder on the exhaust stroke........ its called a lost spark ignition system.
Happy Easter everyone!
Harvy
i never said i had a crossplane, someone else stated i did so i said ok then i have one.
Quote from: RichBaker on April 21, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 02:16:17 PM
look man I'm telling you my left coil is on cylinder 1 and 2 and my right on is on 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine, I know how cylinders fire. why the hell would i make that up. I'm trying to take back as much advice as I can get but when yea don't listen to how I know my bike is set-up then nothing gets accomplished here. Hell i can even plug the wires back up and start it and send you a picture and video, would that prove my point to yea that i know what I'm talking about
So your FJ is totally different from every other FJ out there???? Get a clue and quit arguing..... :dash2:
yes rich, my Fj is SOOOO different cause thats exactly what i stated, you get a clue
Quote from: tqmx1 on April 21, 2011, 06:14:09 PM
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And by the way the FJ of any type NEVER had a CROSS PLANE CRANK!!!
Man You bot HOOK LINE AND SINKER :sarcastic:
well sounds a little differnt than what others are saying
i smell troll ....... the OP is way more interested in arguing than in repairing a motorcycle.
time to nip it.
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Marsh, we need a smiley waving a bullshit flag... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
ha okay ill take a picture for ya, i had my co workers come over after work and we worked on yesterday and today and thanks to them it works fine now
Quote from: racerman_27410 on April 21, 2011, 10:07:46 PM
i smell troll ....... the OP is way more interested in arguing than in repairing a motorcycle.
time to nip it.
Is that what that smell is?
And all along I thought I had been eating corn! LOL!
:i_am_so_happy: :shok: :scratch_one-s_head: :nea: :negative: :bye: :bye2:
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 21, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Marsh, are you SURE this is not actually Klavdy?
Dan
Yeah, he seems to be real - trust me - I've checked. No one else that has ever accessed this forum has used his IP address - which does check out to Kansas City (which he did say).
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yup, thats where im from, suburbs of kansas city, missouri
Quote from: rktmanfj on April 21, 2011, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Marsh, we need a smiley waving a bullshit flag... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
Here ya go Randy!
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Marsh, Why don't you lock this thread also the frame changing and also the bike won't stay running. Seeing that his buddies have it all figured out.
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
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Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Well, good for you, what did you find out on the coils? Still say that #1 and #2 on one coil, and #3 and #4 on the other coil?
No, don't lock it, I really want to know. I might learn something. How hard was putting the 2 gen. fairing on the '91 frame?
guess i did have them backwards
now i got a 87 frame left over to build on and 86 parts i gota find a frame for, i know they will both work for each other but id rather build 2 bikes
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
ha okay ill take a picture for ya, i had my co workers come over after work and we worked on yesterday and today and thanks to them it works fine now
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
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Dude - help me out here. Did you just say that today (while you were still trying to argue with us about your cylinder firing order on this forum) you swapped your 86 FJ (was that the year? I don't give a fuck enough to go back and look) over to a 91 frame? And fixed everything? And it is running great now? And you are a professional web designer and that is the largest picture you can post?
Anyway – you were entertaining for a little bit – but I'm about over you...
it actually wasnt that hard, the big difference from the 87 and 91 was the frame moutns of coarse, also the foot rest are close but diffrent
the swing arms are almost exactly the same, except for the center suppose, one is straight across(87) and the 91 has a slite curve, bolts up fine though, which mean my rear wheel, brakes and everything for rear end work perfectly. rear shock a little differnt but still worked. The front end, forks, tri clamp and steering bolted right up. the head light mount is different. wiring works all the same. same gas tank. The frames are pretty much exactly the same except for the engine mounts, and the fairing worked fine too.
Quote from: Marsh White on April 21, 2011, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
well just for your info, i already have the whole bike switched over to the 91 and running, so its already repaired mr racer
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
ha okay ill take a picture for ya, i had my co workers come over after work and we worked on yesterday and today and thanks to them it works fine now
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 10:24:47 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/ab4f8g.jpg)
Dude - help me out here. Did you just say that today (while you were still trying to argue with us about your cylinder firing order on this forum) you swapped your 86 FJ (was that the year? I don't give a fuck enough to go back and look) over to a 91 frame? And fixed everything? And it is running great now? And you are a professional web designer and that is the largest picture you can post?
Anyway – you were entertaining for a little bit – but I'm about over you...
ok um hm, the engine was out of the bike while i was switching everything over from the 87 to the 91, i had been switching things over for the past 3 days. today i had my coworkers come over, who have been rebuilding bikes for over 10 years come help me work on the bike finish it up and put the engine back in, hooked everything up and it runs
is that so hard to believe oh and im sorry, heres a bigger picture for ya
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maybe thats big enough
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 11:00:47 PM
guess i did have them backwards
Seriously?!?! Honestly?!?! After all of that shit - that is the best way you can say that you were wrong and our advice was right???? That is your way of saying "thanks!"????? Dude - you have wasted the time of some extremely awesome people who have gone out of their way to help you. I almost feel like apologizing to them for letting such an ungrateful and ignorant prick waste their time. Granted it was a show for a while - but I have zero respect for you. Zero. I really feel like removing you from this forum so that you don't take advantage of the good people here any longer.
so is that suppose to offend me cause i don't need respect
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 11:15:40 PM
so is that suppose to offend me cause i don't need respect
You have been banned from viewing this forum for 15 days. (this message was sent to him prior to the ban as well - so he can see it)
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 11:12:37 PM
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maybe thats big enough
Hmmm, that does not look like the lower rails of a '91 frame. I know the subframe is not a '91.
look close it's a 89/90
Quote from: tqmx1 on April 21, 2011, 11:28:35 PM
look close it's a 89/90
Yea, thanks Kim, I thought so....I had to go out to the garage and look at my '92 to be sure...yep the BS flag is up.
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Marsh, you should never have to feel like you need to apologize to us for Mr Irish....Actually (in a sick way) I had some fun today.
It was a crossplane crank sort of a day...... Tomorrow, I'll go out and look for a job, I promise.....
Oh wait, tomorrow's Friday. Job searching on Friday is futile, this will have to wait until next week..... :crazy:
Thanks Marsh! It was like reading about a train wreck, in progress. Kinda interesting for a while, but ... This guy provided plenty of irritainement, but it's time for a new tune.
Quote from: 1tinindian on April 21, 2011, 10:46:57 PM
Quote from: rktmanfj on April 21, 2011, 10:12:24 PM
Marsh, we need a smiley waving a bullshit flag... :rofl:
Randy T
Indy
Here ya go Randy!
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Thanks, Leon! heh...
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: Dan Filetti on April 21, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
...my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
If it "ran perfectly fine" then why did you "[tear] it apart"
This sure seems like you're contradicting yourself [again].
Marsh, are you SURE this is not actually Klavdy?
Dan
Heaven forfend!
It's not me.
Quote from: simi_ed on April 22, 2011, 12:10:38 AM
Thanks Marsh! It was like reading about a train wreck, in progress. Kinda interesting for a while, but ... This guy provided plenty of irritainement, but it's time for a new tune.
Irritainment.. you nailed it! :good2:
It's a testament to the good folks of the FJ world that they continued to try to help this knucklehead even when it was obvious that he was a.. knucklehead.
Quote from: Marsh White on April 21, 2011, 11:20:23 PM
Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 11:15:40 PM
so is that suppose to offend me cause i don't need respect
You have been banned from viewing this forum for 15 days. (this message was sent to him prior to the ban as well - so he can see it)
Way to go Marsh put him in a time out. :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
He don't need respect , parts , or advise it seems .
In the end he sought professional help. :wacko3: :wacko3: :wacko3: :wacko3:
thanks to all the people who tried to help, perhaps it helped a few lurkers. :good2:
we now return to our regular program of tires and oil threads. :dash2: :dash2: :dash2:
I think his Irishluck just ran out. :rofl2: :rofl2: :lol:
Quote from: irishluck on April 19, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
I know everything about cars and repair. I can rebuild a car in 6 months. I can do anything with mechanics,
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Quote from: irishluck on April 11, 2011, 09:46:48 AM
i actually work for a motorcycle shop
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Quote from: irishluck on April 21, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
well then I have a cross plane motor or what ever, cause my coils are set up as 1 and 2 for the left and the right one is 3 and 4 and it ran perfectly fine before I tore it apart, I rode it for a week with no problems, no gas problems no popping problems nothing.
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Trav, you forgot:
I AM A WEB DESIGNER, BITCHES
Get it right ya convict.
He's a WEBSITE DESIGHNER!
Sheesh,
DavidR.
Come on guys lets let this thing disappear just like Irishluck (at least for a fey more days) :biggrin:
back again
Welcome Back :good:
I assume you spent the last 15 days working on the fj?
well had to take it apart a little again cause the subframe didnt bolt on right, but i got it all running and what not. just finishing up some customizing. Mostly been working on my other 2 bikes alot to so.
but its nice to finally ride again in the nice weather