I am wondering if anyone has used this oil additive?
I put a cup in my XJ650, and have been amazed at how it has reduced vibration! I put some into the FJ1100, but as I am still working on it, I have not had a chance to go for a major ride to see how it affects the engine. At the moment I do oil changes every 5000kms, but with the additive, can I now do a change every 8000kms?
As Morey's is american, I am hoping that people can tell me their experiences with the additive.
cheers, Gareth Blackstock
Never heard of it, or them..... never seen it for sale in AZ.
I'm more worried about my filter after 3000 miles, not the condition of the oil. Haven't seen an additive that cleans filters yet.
Good oil doesn't need to be 'stabilized'... :bomb:
Randy T
Indy
I've never heard of it either.... STP and Lucus additives i am familar with....but you dont need or want to put them in your FJ...... JMO
KOokaloo!
Quote from: rktmanfj on March 17, 2011, 08:56:20 PM
Good oil doesn't need to be 'stabilized'... :bomb:
Randy T
Indy
Randy hit this on the head:
Per Amsoil TSB: MO-2010-04-01
<snip>
Aftermarket engine oil supplements are "treatments" advertised
to enhance an oil's properties. Manufacturers
claim these treatments reduce friction, noise and wear;
maintain higher lubricity and break down sludge and varnish,
protecting the engine components. Many products
advertise materials like Tefl on, molybdenum or graphite;
however, most fail to mention that they contain chlorine,
which can be highly corrosive when mixed with water.
Chlorinated paraffins were once used as extreme pressure
(EP) additives in lubricants, but the practice has been
discontinued in most passenger vehicle lubricants due to
the corrosive side effects. These chlorinated compounds
are used due to their low cost and ability to provide EP
properties, but they readily react with water and combustion
by-products to form acidic materials that promote corrosion
of engine components and bearings.----
A recent AMSOIL Technical Services investigation on a
Cummins OTR ISX-485 engine failure revealed a high
amount of chlorine in the engine oil.
The Cummins parts analysis determined
the engine failure
was the result of a corrosive attack to the cam follower
pins, causing valve and injector camshaft lobe failures
(see Figures 1-2). Five injector lobes and four valve lobes
were significantly spalled, meaning the metal fl aked off
the surface of the lobes. Analysis of the injector pin and
valve pin showed corrosive attack in both the wear and
non-wear areas of the pins, while severe galling was observed
on the cams and cam follower pins. Galling is the
transference of material when moving parts are no longer
fully separated and protected. Furthermore, surface analysis
showed peaks of chlorine in the actual metal surface,
which is not normally present on a cam follower pin under
normal operating conditions ...
RECOMMENDATION:
Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use
with AMSOIL synthetic motor oils. AMSOIL synthetic motor
oils are fully formulated to provide superior protection
and performance; use of aftermarket additives will detract
from their performance and possibly lead to engine failure.
Use of aftermarket oil additives not approved by AMSOIL
INC. will void the AMSOIL Limited Warranty
====================
I think I'll pass ...
:shout: Get your Amsoil right here :shout:
I found this little blurb on the company's website, it seems to address the post concerning chlorine additives.
Morey's Oil Heavy Duty Engine Oil Stabilizer
Morey's Heavy Duty Engine Oil Stabilizer is 100% advanced petroleum base technology. It contains none of the potentially damaging elements such as PTFE, Molybdenum disulfide, graphite or chlorine which can cause build-up, clog filters, restrict or stop the flow of oil or potentially harm the environment.
• Stabilize engine oil • Eliminate dry starts • Improve fuel economy • Reduce internal friction & engine wear • Enhance oil oxidation inhibiting properties • Fight rust and corrosion • Increase power by improving cylinder compression
Also, the product might be known in the U.S as LEX'S Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer. Also the morey's additive is not thicker, just very sticky. When I do the next oil change it will be interesting to see if the oil has any "sticky" left in it. But considering the XJ is vibrating much less, and many classic car enthusiasts down under recommend it, I will continue using it, see how it goes.
wish me luck...
Gareth..... I've seen that Morey's in the local Repco store. Never used it though.
My only concern would be what it does to the clutch.
Harvy
G'day Harvey,
prior to using the morey's, the XJ clutch would occasionally stick a little, a tiny "shunt" when I came to a stop. As it was never really a problem, and the clutch was faultless in every other way, a decided not to remedy the problem. Since using morey's the tiny "shunt" has not disappeared, nor got worse. Nor has their been any clutch slipping. I have never been an "additive fan" but since putting it in the bike, I have to say I am pretty much converted! (until I read or hear otherwise)
I sent an email to "motorcycle trader" asking their staff mechanic for an opinion, no reply yet...
I was hoping someone on this board might have some prior experience on the product..
cheers, Gareth
A clutch not releasing 100% sounds like a slave cylinder that isn't right. May be worth a disassembly, clean and fill with fresh DOT 3/4/5 fluid.
If you're going to do that, flush the master before you refill the slave so it doesn't get filled with the old fluid.
Quote from: simi_ed on March 21, 2011, 11:53:40 PM
A clutch not releasing 100% sounds like a slave cylinder that isn't right. May be worth a disassembly, clean and fill with fresh DOT 3/4/5 fluid.
If you're going to do that, flush the master before you refill the slave so it doesn't get filled with the old fluid.
DOT 3/4/5.1
Don't combine DOT5 with anything else.
DOT 3/4/5.1 are glycol based. DOT5 is silicone based.
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: rktmanfj on March 22, 2011, 07:46:27 AM
Quote from: simi_ed on March 21, 2011, 11:53:40 PM
A clutch not releasing 100% sounds like a slave cylinder that isn't right. May be worth a disassembly, clean and fill with fresh DOT 3/4/5 fluid.
If you're going to do that, flush the master before you refill the slave so it doesn't get filled with the old fluid.
DOT 3/4/5.1
Don't combine DOT5 with anything else.
DOT 3/4/5.1 are glycol based. DOT5 is silicone based.
Randy T
Indy
Good call, I know Ed meant pick one and not mix them. Changing means flushing first.
What Mark said ...
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 22, 2011, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: rktmanfj on March 22, 2011, 07:46:27 AM
Quote from: simi_ed on March 21, 2011, 11:53:40 PM
A clutch not releasing 100% sounds like a slave cylinder that isn't right. May be worth a disassembly, clean and fill with fresh DOT 3/4/5 fluid.
If you're going to do that, flush the master before you refill the slave so it doesn't get filled with the old fluid.
DOT 3/4/5.1
Don't combine DOT5 with anything else.
DOT 3/4/5.1 are glycol based. DOT5 is silicone based.
Randy T
Indy
Good call, I know Ed meant pick one and not mix them. Changing means flushing first.
Yeah, but not everybody does, and not everyone knows that. :sorry:
Randy T
Indy