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WTF kind of non sequitur post is this?
Just avoiding a long winded boring uninteresting first post. :boredom:
seems like the gsxr love affair is growing :bad:
someone needs to put a Kawasaki wheel on....................................
So long as it isn't green :rofl2:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: craigo on January 30, 2011, 11:06:39 PM
So long as it isn't green :rofl2:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Only the pin striping
(http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2008%5C01%5C27%5Cbikepics-1162129-full.jpg)
wouldn't this look good on an FJ :scratch_one-s_head:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170481435620&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170481435620&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en)
Almost as good as this-
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/574_31_01_11_10_25_37.jpeg)
no one spoke up and said it can't be done, so I am assuming it will bolt right on. :good:
I'll be back once I buy a wheel.
(popcorn)
Dunno :pardon:
Are you going to use the ZX brake hardware?
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Quote from: craigo on February 01, 2011, 03:08:12 PM
Dunno :pardon:
Are you going to use the ZX brake hardware?
(popcorn)
not sure I may look into using the stock brakes, but expect an issue or two along the way.
"Can't just stick your toe in the water"
"You gotta jump in feet first"
Looks like the same size rotor as the GSXR. I wonder if the wheel is from the same manufacturer? Are you taking a FJ axel with you to see if you will need to change out the bearings?
Good luck with that,
CraigO
90FJ1200
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Got my zx7r wheel.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_12_02_11_10_42_50.jpeg)
I'm not 100% sure but I think 93-95 wheels have the same 20mm axle size as the FJ.
here is the (I assume) date code Sep. 23 1993
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_12_02_11_10_45_01.jpeg)
I think the 96-03? went with the 6" wheel and a bigger axle.
maybe changing the wheel bearings is an option.
Don't want to be too greedy so 5.5 will be good for now.
The 180/55/17 is pretty much the same overall height as my old 16" tire
so I am not anticipating any gearing change needed.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_12_02_11_10_46_34.jpeg)
Cool Travis,
But note the markings on the wheel, specifically the JW or JU looking symbol above the made in Japan mark. I looked at my old 16" FJ wheel and the GSXR wheel. They both have that same mark on them. And now I see it on your Kawi wheel.
I wonder if that is the manufacturer's stamp or is some universal specification mark. Anyone got more info on that?
Cheers,
CraigO
90FJ1200
I think I found it, Japan Light Alloy Wheel testing council
A１: We will provide descriptions and the background of each mark and its related organization.
(1) The JWL mark
Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism established the quality and performance criteria of light alloy wheels. There are standards "Technical standards for Light Alloy Disc Wheels for Passenger Cars" and "Technical standards for Light Alloy Disc Wheels for Trucks and Buses," and products that have passed these Standards, by voluntary inspection, should have JWL (for passenger cars) and JWL-T (for tracks and buses) engraved on them.
Incidentally JWL comes from "Japan Light Alloy Wheel".
(2) VIA mark
As a light alloy wheel is an important safety part for vehicles and its safety quality can affect human lives, any organizations that manufacture and sell light alloy wheels or testing organizations that inspect and check aftermarket wheels need to do so based upon the technical standards approved by MLIT, and to have them registered accordingly. This is known as VIA registration.
Registration is performed by the Japan Light Alloy Automotive Wheel Testing Council (hereafter referred to as "the Council") and testing and registration are performed by the Japan Vehicle Inspection Association (hereafter referred to as Vehicle Inspection).
VIA is a registered trademark of the Japan Vehicle Inspection Association.
The JWL mark and VIA mark are applied in Japan.
The council is made up of the Nippon Auto Parts Aftermarket Committee (NAPAC) JAWA Division and the Japan Aluminum Association (JAA) along with the Japan Vehicle Inspection Association.
I found it here
Registration of Aluminum wheels
http://www.jwtc.jp/open/html/e/situmon1.html#a01 (http://www.jwtc.jp/open/html/e/situmon1.html#a01)
I just did some research and found this:
"JWL" (Japan Light Wheel Alloy) is a compilation of standards defined by the Japanese Government to ensure the vehicle's safety for aluminum road wheels. Every wheel put to market must be tested to meet JWL standards before a wheel can be put out to market in Japan.
These standards are generally accepted worldwide as acceptable for most road conditions. That is why you will see these marks on European and other Asian country wheels.
http://www.cartype.com/pages/2101/jwl_stamp_on_alloy_wheels (http://www.cartype.com/pages/2101/jwl_stamp_on_alloy_wheels)
So these wheels may or may not come from the same manufacture.
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: craigo on February 12, 2011, 12:03:20 PM
So these wheels may or may not come from the same manufacture.
CraigO
90FJ1200
I agree looks like it is just some kind of safety rating
So do you have all the brake and sprocket hardware necessary to do the mod? Are you going to have to do any machine work to make it fit? As you can tell, I am pretty interested in how this turns out. It would be nice to know that there are other options out there that are viable alternatives to the Gixxer wheel.
CraigO
90FJ1200
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Quote from: craigo on February 12, 2011, 12:25:48 PM
So do you have all the brake and sprocket hardware necessary to do the mod? Are you going to have to do any machine work to make it fit?
CraigO
90FJ1200
I don't know if I have the necessary hardware but I did get the cush drive, brake caliper and bracket. I was hoping to keep
stock brakes but we will see. I didn't get any axle spacers though.
Not sure about the machine work either, not many people talking about the Kawasaki wheel upgrade around here.
I did find out that the zx7 had a 530 chain till 96' and then switched to a 525. So sprockets should be easy to find.
Quote from: weymouth399 on February 12, 2011, 01:33:27 PM
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People seem to be spilling popcorn all over the floor and trashing the place out, I may have to ban popcorn from this thread.
(popcorn) :drinks:
Another bike needed some attention this week so I didn't get a lot of time to work on the FJ.
But I did put the wheel on :yahoo:
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_19_02_11_7_10_05.jpeg)
I think the chain moved over a little but it is still in the middle of the chain guard so it should work fine.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_19_02_11_7_09_15.jpeg)
Looks promising! I am having trouble locating a GSXR rear wheel and have thought this may be the next easiest swap. ...for what its worth,if you go to our "modifications for your FJ" file and then down to the wheel swap section under GSXR ,Bob shammus (?) covers some info on the ZX7 wheel swap. Update us when you can on the brake side and overall fitment please. thanks.
:good: way to go, Travis!!!! :good2:
Now, what about the brake? Keep us updated on that.
Cheers,
CraigO
90FJ1200
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220739727726&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_500wt_975 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220739727726&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_500wt_975)
Take a look at this mod!!! How cool would your FJ be having this hanging on the back? Any of our more affluent members want to try this on for size?
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: turbocamino on February 19, 2011, 09:13:12 AM
go to our "modifications for your FJ" file and then down to the wheel swap section under GSXR ,Bob shammus (?) covers some info on the ZX7 wheel swap.
you may have to post a link, I seem to be having a hard time finding that.
As far as the brakes, I was hoping to use stock, but there is no way that brake caliper bracket will fit in there.
so I'll have to use the Kawasaki caliper and caliper bracket. It looks like the bracket lines up with the disc
perfectly when resting against the swing arm. so a spacer in between should work perfectly.
I think I will get a measurement and stop in at the local machine shop and have one made.
plenty of room near the swing arm.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_19_02_11_7_10_53.jpeg)
Sorry, brain cramp.....at our homepage go to>Troubleshooting/FAQ...then to>Modifications for your FJ ....scroll down to> Rear susp. click on GSXR1100..(which takes you to linked site) half way down page is the ZX7 info....not much there but he did say he machined sprocket carrier?.... what tire size are going with?
Quote from: turbocamino on February 19, 2011, 05:03:21 PM
what tire size are going with?
the tire that came with the rim has very little wear on it, so I think I will use that for a while.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_19_02_11_5_33_30.jpeg)
Hey Travis,
Did you have to shim the wheel on the swingarm with any spacers? I was looking at your pics and couldn't tell.
Thanks,
CraigO
90FJ1200
No spacers needed on the left, Except for the bushing that sits in the seal. Just moved it against the swing arm and everything looked good.
The studs for the sprocket nuts cleared the swing arm by about 2mm. That was a little closer than I liked. so I did grind off 1 or 2mm from the studs.
so I have 3 or 4mm clearance just for peace of mind.
It looked like the studs were a lot longer than they needed to be anyhow.
The right side is the one I need a spacer for. Probably if I had the stock spacer I could just shorten it to fit. But not sure.
There must be a bushing that fits into the brake caliper bracket that I don't have either.
So I am going to get some measurements and have a wheel spacer made that will taper down for the brake bracket.
I would rather have just a one piece spacer as opposed to 6 big washers, making changing the wheel a pain the butt.
Quote from: Travis398 on February 21, 2011, 05:55:55 PM
I would rather have just a one piece spacer as opposed to 6 big washers, making changing the wheel a pain the butt.
A +1 and a Amen on that one Travis. The less complicated, the better.
CraigO
90FJ1200
Yea, why have 6 when you can have 1....Isn't that why JB Weld was created?
Quote from: craigo on February 21, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: Travis398 on February 21, 2011, 05:55:55 PM
I would rather have just a one piece spacer as opposed to 6 big washers, making changing the wheel a pain the butt.
A +1 and a Amen on that one Travis. The less complicated, the better.
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 21, 2011, 08:16:46 PM
Yea, why have 6 when you can have 1....Isn't that why JB Weld was created?
No that's why the wife was created, Or so she says
Travis. If it helps any, there are several zx7 axles that include the spacers/bushings on e-bay... i saw a couple for under 30.00. And yes,there is an axle bushing for the caliper mount bracket. I was wondering what you where doing for the brake stay/torque arm? .....and if the FJ axle fit ok. thanks Brian.T.
Quote from: turbocamino on February 22, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
Travis. If it helps any, there are several zx7 axles that include the spacers/bushings on e-bay... i saw a couple for under 30.00. And yes,there is an axle bushing for the caliper mount bracket. I was wondering what you where doing for the brake stay/torque arm? .....and if the FJ axle fit ok. thanks Brian.T.
Yeah I looked on ebay, Like you said, if I am going to pay $30+ for a couple spacers that will need to be customized anyways, why don't I just go to the local machine shop and have the perfect spacer made for me?
The axle fit perfectly, didn't change the swing arm so the overall width is the same.
I looked at the back side of the foot peg bracket and it looks like there is quite a few threads in the frame on the other side.
I'm tempted to just put a bolt in there.
quick and easy.
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Ive fitted a kawasaki 5.50 wide wheel to my fj1200,remembering exactly what i did is a bit hazy at the moment,but,im about to start getting the bike ready for the road very soon,and will post a bit more info when i take a better look at the bike. From memory,i think ive used an fzr1000 brake and carrier,which i machined to fit,ive used the standard fj12 wheel spindle,with machined spacers and a machined kawasaki sprocket carrier. Pics and more info soon.
Quote from: dixiethedog on February 25, 2011, 06:08:41 AM
Ive fitted a kawasaki 5.50 wide wheel to my fj1200
What year and bike did it come from?
Here is the spacer, I decided to remove the seal bushing and have the spacer made to fit into the seal.
this should make lining everything up a lot easier when installing the wheel.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_27_02_11_7_41_29.jpeg)
Travis,checking to see if any updates from your project.....i just received all my zx7 parts and have been sizing things up today...I had "sprocket specialties" make me a 39T ($69) and with the 180/55/17 Michelin Pilot CT ($122) that puts gearing back to stock (within 0.4 ) .....I was lucky to find a 94zx7 wheel, already stripped, for $35!.(most where $100)..the cush rubber was junk,but found a new one on e-bay for $9. All other hardware,..caliper with brake line,caliper bracket, brake stay and sprocket carrier from e-bay about $145. I was wondering where you put the brake stay arm? ... it looks like a longer bolt in the front foot peg mount lines up..but not too happy that the one end of the bolt,for the brake stay,wont be supported? I did get all the zx7 spacers too..i also have a stash of other spacers, so..hoping for the best there. Then used some 400 then 1000 grit s/paper on the outside 2" of the wheel and the lip ...then went to Harbor Freight and got some buff pad/wheels for my drill and went to work...came out nice! Then to Tractor Supply for some "Valspar -Tractor and Implement" paint (like epoy paint) will get some pics when done... cant wait to ride it!!
No real updates lately, I have been a little lazy. But I did put the wheel back on with the new spacer. It went on easier than the FJ wheel.
The brake stay is about 2 1/2 inches too long so I'll have to shorten it and find someone to weld it back together.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/1/486_06_03_11_7_17_59.jpeg)
Nice work Travis, definitely an inspiration for next year, the front end rebuild/upgrade cleaned me this year...
Quote from: Travis398 on February 27, 2011, 07:25:05 AM
Quote from: dixiethedog on February 25, 2011, 06:08:41 AM
Ive fitted a kawasaki 5.50 wide wheel to my fj1200
What year and bike did it come from?
Hi Travis I'm sorry,ive no idea of the year of the wheel?? You look like youve gone down the same path as myself with the spacer idea,it looks good!
Im very busy with other bikes at the moment,but i plan to have my fj up and running for late April,definately for the begining of May,so i do promise i'll post some pics,for comparison. :good2:
5.5x17 and by the look of it, that's from a 94-97 ZX9R or a ZX7 (/ZXR750).
Quote from: Travis398 on February 12, 2011, 11:03:42 AM
Got my zx7r wheel.
I'm not 100% sure but I think 93-95 wheels have the same 20mm axle size as the FJ.
I think the 96-03? went with the 6" wheel and a bigger axle.
As I said I am not 100% sure, I wouldn't recommend buying a wheel unless, you can confirm it uses a 20mm axle
or you just want to open a great big can of worms.
:shok: (popcorn)
I have been having a little bit of a set back here.
A couple weeks ago a member of the forum informed me that he bought the same wheel but it does in fact not have a 20mm axle. So that got me thinking something isn't right. Especially since there was a bushing pressed into the wheel bearing that looked out of place to me. Since I have never seen a Kawi wheel I just assumed it was the way it is supposed to be. Until I heard from the other FJ member.
So It was starting to bug me, I had to take the wheel apart and have a closer look. Sure enough this bushing/spacer doesn't even make contact with the cush drive bearing, good to know before I start riding it.
So now I know something is wrong. I pressed the bushing out and the bearing to have a closer look. The bearing does appear to be the stock Kawi bearing.
#6205 which is a 25x52x15. So now I assume the stock Kawi axle is in fact a 25mm.
I did some searching to see if I could find the same bearing with an ID of 20mm, sure enough they are very common. Even Amazon sells them
http://www.amazon.com/VXB-6304-2RS-Bearing-20x52x15-Sealed/dp/B002BBI8P0/ref=sr_1_3?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1301851880&sr=1-3 (http://www.amazon.com/VXB-6304-2RS-Bearing-20x52x15-Sealed/dp/B002BBI8P0/ref=sr_1_3?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1301851880&sr=1-3)
and as luck would have it, this is the same bearing the FJ uses in the rear wheel. #6304 20x52x15
I dodged a bullet there. However I do need to come up with the right size collar to fit in between the bearings in the wheel. I can use the FJ collar but it is aprox. 6 or 7mm too short. Shouldn't be that hard to fix.
However, I still need a spacer/bushing to fit the cush drive bearing, so it looks like another trip to the machine shop for that. I will have to take a closer look at it and get some accurate measurements.
Hopefully I can still use the spacer I had machined for the other side as that machine shop work isn't cheap.
Looks like this will hold me up for a little while but will check back in when I start making progress again.
wow good save.
you would have noticed when the rear wheel did not turn after you torqued to specs anyway.
Finally got this POS on the road again, I haven't rode it since November. It sure did feel good to ride it again.
I was able to make/find the remaining spacers I needed to make it rideable laying around the shop.
It sounds like the GSX wheel is an easier mod............. for what it's worth.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/2/486_30_06_11_1_01_58.jpeg)
Are the brakes better than the FJ? :rofl:
But Yama-saki sounds better than Yama-zuki.
It looks real nice in person too.
Bob W
The brake stay was a little longer than I liked so I cut a couple inches off of it and had it welded back together.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/2/486_04_07_11_6_21_50.jpeg)
I then gave it a polish job that even Pat would be proud of.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/2/486_04_07_11_6_24_05.jpeg)
looks so good i think im gonna have to do it as well. by any chance do you have the dimensions of the right hand spacer you got made? I have a ratty 89 zxr 750 h1 with a blown engine so i already have most of whats needed already, unfortunately the disc is cracked and the caliper is siezed so i might have to play around with what i can find.
Quote from: conordylan1 on July 17, 2011, 03:43:48 PM
by any chance do you have the dimensions of the right hand spacer you got made?
I do, although I don't have it here (at home) give me a couple of days to get my notes and I will give you a shout.
thanks, look forward to it :good2: