I ran out of time getting the bike ready for the WCR, so since it was oil change time, I decided now would be a good time to put this on the bike.......
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So, I was faced with 3 decisions........Where to mount the sender.........Where to mount the guage..........and what to do with the wiring.
I chose this location for the sender for a few reasons. One being there is plenty of room around the sender here. Another being not much chance of knocking the sender off if the bike accidentally got tipped over, and the other being there is plenty of stuff to zip-tie the sender wire to.(Anyone with knowledge of the insides of an FJ engine know where the oil in this galley goes to, or comes from? Might help with understanding of the oil temp readings I am getting)
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Next came choosing where to mount the gauge........Really a no-brainer because there is really only one place you can mount a gauge on an FJ without using some sort of add-on gauge pod thingy(I didn't want one of those).
I found the only place on the inner fairing panel that is flat enough to mount the gauge, and has enough depth behind it, and marked it with a 2" circle.
A 2" hole-saw made super quick work of it. And then a quick touch-up with a sanding drum on my Dremel.
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After some test-fitting, I found that I had to modify the bulb-holder slightly by shortening it to clear the frame. I used a cut-off wheel on my Dremel, and bent the tabs outward. I also bent the connectors for the gauge outward to ensure that no wires would touch the frame.
I wired everything up using a flat 4-wire trailer plug so I could quick-disconnect it whenever I remove my fairing panels.
I ended up tying the power wires for both the gauge, and the bulb into the right hand "running light" power wire since it was right nearby(and key-switched), and the ground wires to the bolt that holds the fairing stay to the frame.
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Installation was fairly simple, and the placement is easy to read with a quick glance down while riding(it is well-lit enough to see at night also).
Everything appears to work as it is supposed to, and after riding it to, and from work this week, these are the temperature readings I get.
In the morning, my commute is stop-and-go on surface streets. Get up to about 45mph for a mile, then come to a stoplight.
It takes me roughly 25 minutes to get to work this way.
This week, the ambient temps have been around 70 during my morning ride, and it takes my whole commute for the oil to get up to 210* F.
For my commute home, I ride about 3 miles on surface streets over to the freeway, where I ride for about 12 miles at a steady 70-75mph, then take surface streets another 3 miles.
This way also takes me about 25 minutes to get home.
This week, the ambient temps were around 95 for my afternoon commute.
After a few miles down the freeway, the oil temp reaches approx 235-240* F and stays there the rest of the way home.
Yesterday, I took a 45 minute ride during lunch break during the mid-day heat all freeway riding, and the oil stayed at 250* F.
Ambient temps during the ride were probably around 100.
My '90 has the factory oil cooler(wich could probably use a good scrubbing, and fin-straightening)
Anyway, these are my findings so far in case anyone was curious.
This is exactly how I did mide except for the fact that I used a port on the right side.
In hindsight, your location is better.
thats where i put my sending unit also and IIRC that is the oil temp going to the cooler from the engine.
amazing how long it really takes the FJ to come up to operating temps isnt it ?
a Setrab 10 row oil cooler will drop those temps about 30 degrees
Kookaloo!
Frank
Quote from: racerman_27410 on October 17, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
thats where i put my sending unit also and IIRC that is the oil temp going to the cooler from the engine.
That is the oil that has been drawn from the pan, filtered and is in the galley to lubricate the main bearings.
The only way to check the after cooler oil temp is to add a fitting into the left oil cooler return line.
Randy - RPM
Way to go Alan, :good2:
thanks for the great write up and pics.
makes it easy for the rest of us to follow.
Racerman is right, and its a fairly easy mod.
Nice Job Alan, thanks for the write up and picts.
Question: Does anyone foresee any heat problems with the wire and/or connector going to the temp. probe?
Those header tubes are awfully close........
Pat
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 17, 2010, 07:24:14 PM
Nice Job Alan, thanks for the write up and picts.
Question: Does anyone foresee any heat problems with the wire and/or connector going to the temp. probe?
Those header tubes are awfully close........
Pat
I was wondering that too.......which was why I used the rhs crank galley plug as my location.
Harvy
Nothing has happened to my wiring in 6 years so i guess its not an issue :good2:
KOokaloo!
Frank
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 17, 2010, 07:24:14 PM
Nice Job Alan, thanks for the write up and picts.
Question: Does anyone foresee any heat problems with the wire and/or connector going to the temp. probe?
Those header tubes are awfully close........
Pat
I checked my intended routing of the wire before I took the exhaust off, and again after i put it back on to make sure it wasn't going to be too close to the header pipes......
Seems like enough clearance to me....(there is factory wiring on my car that is just as close to the exhaust downpipes)
I'll just keep an eye on my zip-ties periodically to make sure none have broken...
I also made sure to run the wire behind the frame, front motor mount bolt tube, and oil cooler pipe to make sure it doesn't get hit with any road debris/rocks/etc.....
Doesn't appear like it would be an issue.
I'm digging this topic up as I'm about to do the same thing.
** EDIT **
I found the adapter! Randy, You'll be hearing from me (again)... :good:
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMGP&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMGP&cat=39)
I think Oil Temp is a valuable piece of information. For me, Oil Pressure is higher on the list. Where would I have to install one of these adapters to read said OP?
Quote from: nvmike24 on September 07, 2011, 10:29:40 PM
I think Oil Temp is a valuable piece of information. For me, Oil Pressure is higher on the list. Where would I have to install one of these adapters to read said OP?
Same location would work just fine.
Quote from: nvmike24 on September 07, 2011, 10:29:40 PM
I think Oil Temp is a valuable piece of information. For me, Oil Pressure is higher on the list. Where would I have to install one of these adapters to read said OP?
Oil pressure gauges mostly monitor the wear and condition of the bottom end of your motor. On modern road use engines this is probably the last thing to wear out and in the case of a component failure or loss of pressure for some other reason, the damage will be done long before your eyes get to the gauge. However, oil temp. on an air/oil cooled motor is critical because overheating can seriously shorten engine life, eg rings, and a severe overheating ( I know!) can kill your motor in one episode. It also allows you to check the efficiency of your current cooler for your particular riding conditions and to evaluate the benefits of different oils or if riding in traffic on hot day, know when you need to find a bit of air or when to pull over for while. And, if you really want to look after your motor, it will also tell you when it's safe to thrash it. Most people don't realise just how long it takes for engine oil to get up to temp. In an earlier time pressure gauges were a great indicator of engine condition but with modern engines, no longer necessary, particularly if it's one or the other.
Noel
What is the normal temp range for the oil? What would the safe maximum temp be? I've just fitted an oil temp gauge and really have had no experience with oil temps. The first couple of rides have shown temps at around 85-95 C (185-205 F), normal hwy speeds and warm ambient temps, no traffic problems. Pete.
Quote from: nvmike24 on September 07, 2011, 10:29:40 PM
I think Oil Temp is a valuable piece of information. For me, Oil Pressure is higher on the list. Where would I have to install one of these adapters to read said OP?
I have mentioned the same thing before. The FJ's, VMax etc oil level light is crap IMO. I can have it lite for 3 gears under hard acceleration and a mild incline. I have no idea what the actual pressure at that point and it would be reassuring to know.
I will be installing a mechanical unit on my bike (in my spare time :scratch_one-s_head:). It will be running off the right main galley.
I have run a Shindy digital oil temp guage for a number of years now. It works very well and is easy to hook up. I have it installed in the oil pan replacing the drain bolt.
(http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action-gallery;sa=view;id=2504)
...... the top left corner... Vapor Gauge.. oil temp.(http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action-gallery;sa=view;id=2530)
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...... Thanks andyb, I was also, trying to put up the pic, of the the oil sensor, that is on the right side.
thanks,
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edit: Fixed it for ya Brook. Look for the picture link that ends in "jpeg" That's the link you want to copy and paste between the [img] brackets. Pat
Great info on the oil gauge, but just wanted to say I love what you have done with your Fj ,that is one wicked bike (popcorn)
Brook, I was going to ask you where you got those nice little front shock slider protectors?
Besides being very practical they look pretty smart too, as does your whole bike.
You must be turning heads everywhere go.
...... I tryed to take the pic of the oil sensor, from my members gallery, did not work.
thanks fj11.5........ I can honestly say, I got very lucky with the nose and tail sections. One of the guys that I use to work with has a neighbor that had the R1nose for sale. I bought it, on site. before taking any measurements.
grannyknot thanks also,.... the slider protectors on the forks came with the FZ1[parts] bike that I have..
On Wednesday nights, I go to Quacker Steak and Lube and Biff Burger[bike night] in St Pete Fl.
And every Wed. night, around 2000 bikes show-up. So yes, it does get a little bit of attention. most comes from
the older guys. they see that it is an FJ [and I am not kidding, almost everyone tells me, that the FJ was..... THE BIKE.....back in the day.
On Saturday nights, I go to the LOT, that is in Clearwater Fl. and there, I get a lot of questions from the younger guys about the R1nose and the R6tail, and they do ask ........ what year is it!!
......... Pat, I just notice that you fix the pic. again. ........ thanks again.
I have tryed many times, coping the > direct link < and pasting it in between the (http://)'s.
also, copied the URL that is in the grey bar that is at the top of the screen.
I have the feeling, that I am not allowed to place pic's in the post area's. but, I will be the first to admit, that I am not very good, with this computer.
your welcome , credit where credit is due, :good:
Quote from: Brook on December 10, 2011, 12:43:02 AM
I have the feeling, that I am not allowed to place pic's in the post area's. but, I will be the first to admit, that I am not very good, with this computer.
There is no conspiracy against you Brook - you just need to read the directions through again:
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=341.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=341.0)
Well. Ill take a chance. Randys site has no adapters. Anyone know the dimensions or where to buy a similar same size adapter.Please??
Are you looking for these?
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMMGP&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMMGP&cat=39)
Shows them in stock
I even have the smaller one for the oil pan galley as well. It looks the same, but I just have not had time to get it loaded to the website.
It is the same price as the one already listed. If you want that one instead, buy the large one and put in the additional information filed you want the one for the oil pan instead.
I doubt I will have time to get it post on line in the next couple of weeks. The WCR rush is on here at RPM and I have to make sure I get all of these bike done.
Randy - RPM
Today was, "install the voltmeter" after the rally I will do an oil temp. Out of time.... Would like to locate a digital meter to match my voltmeter.
Anyone running a dash cam? Thinking about mounting one under the headlight and power it from a switch in the dash area. So much to do.............
George
It's exactly what Im looking for plus the temperature sender piece that fits inside those threads. I'm trying to find a handlebar mounted type dial. Chrome. Maybe it's possible to have a 'double' sender, that would also do pressure.? That would be rather spiffing. Thank you.
You know, I have been looking for a digital gauge that'll do cylinder head and oil temp and came across these.
http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html (http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html)
They are little stand alone boxes made my trail tech. Does anyone have experience with these?
(I like the maximum temperature memory feature)
Quote from: homerfj1100 on May 24, 2013, 10:00:47 AM
It's exactly what Im looking for plus the temperature sender piece that fits inside those threads. I'm trying to find a handlebar mounted type dial. Chrome. Maybe it's possible to have a 'double' sender, that would also do pressure.? That would be rather spiffing. Thank you.
You might like this gauge that innovate makes. (Does both temp and pressure with user programmable warning thresholds)
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16336&cat=0&page=5 (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16336&cat=0&page=5)
I also fitted the VDO temp gauge, nearly exactly the same as the way Firehawk did. (great pics and write up btw) But I have a problem in that the needle bounces around quite a bit. Has anyone else experienced this?
Cheers, Dazza
Quote from: Dazza57 on June 14, 2013, 07:04:43 PM
I also fitted the VDO temp gauge, nearly exactly the same as the way Firehawk did. (great pics and write up btw) But I have a problem in that the needle bounces around quite a bit. Has anyone else experienced this?
Cheers, Dazza
Mine does it too, at midrange and higher rpm's.................I am guessing it wasn't designed to handle the vibration, being an automotive type gauge.....
I usually just pull the clutch in, and let the engine drop to idle while I'm buzzing down the road if I want an accurate reading........otherwise I just guestimate the range where the needle is bouncing at...........Should be a liquid filled gauge (I thought about sealing it, and filling it with some sort of silicone damping fluid)
Quote from: skymasteres on June 11, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
You know, I have been looking for a digital gauge that'll do cylinder head and oil temp and came across these.
http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html (http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html)
They are little stand alone boxes made my trail tech. Does anyone have experience with these?
(I like the maximum temperature memory feature)
Here is the direct link http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html (http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html)
I have some trailtech bits on my KTM. They are a very good company. Lots of guys use their computers and lights when they convert their dirtbikes to dual-sports.
Good evening,
When I installed the oil cooler from R.P.M. I also installed an oil pressure and an oil temperature as well to monitor the performance of the cooler.
I chose the gauges from Glowshift. They are analog and a quick glance at the position of the needle informs of the pressure and temperature. There is also a choice of lighting choices at the push of a button. There is also the possibility of dimming them for nighttime use if desired by simply installing a switch.
While they are intended for automobile use, a dab of dialectic grease on the back side ensures all weather performance. The needles are unaffected by vibration at any speed.
And is the performance of the oil cooler as claimed? Most definitely as it is perhaps the main reason my engine remains strong after so many miles. And not just on hot days. It also prevents overcooling as well during cold weather runs.
I would also like to note that customer service from Glowshift is very good, even after the sale. Pricing seems okay as compared to other options.
Ride safe,
Mike Ramos.
You know those do look like excellent gauges. Now for those of us in the 'cheap bastards' catagory, I went with the $15 gauge from amazon.
Of course the first one vibrated to death mounted to the panel next to the tank so I came up with this solution.
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I'm still going to probably roll my own digital gauge for a less intrusive setup, but this works great for now and gets me the data I want.
Quote from: CatTomb on June 14, 2013, 09:03:55 PM
Quote from: skymasteres on June 11, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
You know, I have been looking for a digital gauge that'll do cylinder head and oil temp and came across these.
http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html (http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1001_atvp_trail_tech_tto_family_of_digital_gauges/index.html)
They are little stand alone boxes made my trail tech. Does anyone have experience with these?
(I like the maximum temperature memory feature)
Here is the direct link http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html (http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html)
I have some trailtech bits on my KTM. They are a very good company. Lots of guys use their computers and lights when they convert their dirtbikes to dual-sports.
Thanks a TON for the link, this is exactly what I was looking for (and it showed up today!)
Quote from: 56 CHEVY on May 21, 2013, 12:15:24 PM
Are you looking for these?
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMMGP&cat=39 (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Engine%3ARPMMGP&cat=39)
Shows them in stock
Thanx a lot for the link, 56 CHEVY :yahoo:
I have been looking for this adaptor for som time.
Quote from: Dazza57 on June 14, 2013, 07:04:43 PM
I also fitted the VDO temp gauge, nearly exactly the same as the way Firehawk did. (great pics and write up btw) But I have a problem in that the needle bounces around quite a bit. Has anyone else experienced this?
Cheers, Dazza
The digital oil temp gauge doesn't bounce. :biggrin: http://shindypro.com/temp_gauge.html (http://shindypro.com/temp_gauge.html)
A local stainless steel shop made this for me. Fits onto tubular handlebar.