I have a 1987 FJ1200 with 16" Dia wheels (I think the newer ones got a larger dia wheel on the front)
Will A wheel from a 1990 FZR 1000 Fit?
It has the sprocket, cush drive, rotor & brake perch included.
I think this is the easiest to do rear wheel mod listed.
Makes sense in that the FZR seemed to be the next gen of the FJ and probably carried over alot of similar parts.
Now, if I go and do this, can I leave my old original 16" wheel on the front?
It would seem to me that the rear end would now be jacked up by 1/2" (one half the diameter increase)
This could throw off the handling geroetry by alot....Y/N?
If and when the time comes to do the front wheel, will an FZR front wheel be the easiest mod to do?.....or, would a newer FJ rim be easier?
What are the pros & cons of each?
Sorry about that, my bad
The easiest swap is the GSXR rear rim swap....Y/N?
But my original questions about handling still apply.....
Gosh, let's see.
In this post (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=1887.0) there's a link marked "FZR1000 (17x5.5) swap". And that link takes us to another page (http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/Wheels.htm) that has, amazingly, information on the FZR1000 swap! Who knew?!
But wait! There was more than one kind of FZR made, so we have to make sure that the 90 model was a EXUP rather than a Genisis model... Fortunately, there's a website (http://www.google.com/) just for this sort of thing. And that leads us to another site (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_fzr1000_90.htm) that says at the top that the 90 is in fact a EXUP. Amazing stuff, this internet thing.
If you go to a 17" rear with a 16" front, yes, it will raise the rear 1/2". But, if you choose to use tires on the wheels, then they come in different sizes, and with a little math and the wonderful internet, you can find information about decoding what all those numbers mean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_code) and then use that to calculate the difference in ride height.
Before you do anything else, do the front wheel first.
DavidR.
Biggest bang for the buck is in the front wheel, eh?......Makes sense.
What about that urban legend of having a radial on the front and a ply on the rear?
....or is it urban legend? Can you do that?
Radials in front, bias in rear works well enough. Wouldn't go the other way around though.
If you go to a 17f/16r combination, you've got the 88+ setup and can use whatever works for that (see various tire threads) but the choices will remain limited until you get the rear swapped over also, then the fun really begins.
Quote from: andyb on October 15, 2010, 08:35:41 AM
Gosh, let's see.
In this post (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=1887.0) there's a link marked "FZR1000 (17x5.5) swap". And that link takes us to another page (http://www.fjmods.btinternet.co.uk/Wheels.htm) that has, amazingly, information on the FZR1000 swap! Who knew?!
But wait! There was more than one kind of FZR made, so we have to make sure that the 90 model was a EXUP rather than a Genisis model... Fortunately, there's a website (http://www.google.com/) just for this sort of thing. And that leads us to another site (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_fzr1000_90.htm) that says at the top that the 90 is in fact a EXUP. Amazing stuff, this internet thing.
If you go to a 17" rear with a 16" front, yes, it will raise the rear 1/2". But, if you choose to use tires on the wheels, then they come in different sizes, and with a little math and the wonderful internet, you can find information about decoding what all those numbers mean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_code) and then use that to calculate the difference in ride height.
Interesting.... when I put the 17" YZF rear on, I lost a little overall due the smaller outside diameter of the 17" tire..... so NO it does NOT raise the rear 1/2". Don't recall the actual difference, but someone in here knows it..... Avon 150/80x16= 25.4", whereas a 160/60x17=24.6"
Like I said, the wheel is larger and will raise the ride height. Until you put the tires on, because they come in different sizes....
Andy,
I sympathize. Sometimes I think your subtlety is lost in translation. I was going to try to explain your sarcasm but figured I would only muck up the conversation. My uncle used to say "why don't they make steel tires and rubber roads" but that's another thread I suppose.
Quote from: andyb on October 15, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
Radials in front, bias in rear works well enough. Wouldn't go the other way around though.
I've been running that combination on my '85 for about 4 years now. I have no complaints.
DavidR.
Quote from: SlowOldGuy on October 15, 2010, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: andyb on October 15, 2010, 06:30:15 PM
Radials in front, bias in rear works well enough. Wouldn't go the other way around though.
I've been running that combination on my '85 for about 4 years now. I have no complaints.
DavidR.
Oh yea, been meaning to ask, you've had that Harley tire on for how long now? Four years? (popcorn)
Just was saying if you put a 150/80R17 where a 150/80R16 was, you'll gain that half inch. Most people change the size of the tire in the process though....
QuoteInteresting.... when I put the 17" YZF rear on, I lost a little overall due the smaller outside diameter of the 17" tire..... so NO it does NOT raise the rear 1/2". Don't recall the actual difference, but someone in here knows it..... Avon 150/80x16= 25.4", whereas a 160/60x17=24.6"
Rich, the 150/80x16 should have a diameter of:
((height[mm]*profile[%])*2)+(rim[in])
or
((150mm*80%)*2)+(16in*25.4[in to mm])
so
((150mm*80%)*2)+(406.4)
then
((120)*2)+406.4
and
(240)+406.4
so
646.4mm
or
25.4in
A 160/60R17 is 24.5" tall.
A 170/60R17 is 25" tall.
A 170/70R17 is 26.3" tall.
To get the height difference, take half of the difference between old and new (radius, not diameter). The answer won't actually be exact, because different manufacturers (as well as different tire lines) are using nominal figures, and if you alter air pressure there's even more math to add to the calculation. When you lean the bike over, it will also become slightly lowered due to the curvature of the tire, altering the gearing a pinch as well.
If you want to work out the gearing changes, it's easy math, but easier still to use a handy spreadsheet (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=583.0) that's posted in the reference area.
Thanks Andy.... I know all that already, been playing with bikes and cars since 1970....... did my 1st MC front end swap in 1981......
But, I'm sure some of the less knowledgeable folk benefitted from this.
I just use this tire size calculator: http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php (http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tirecalc.php)
Give a kinda cool side by side comparison....
OK Guys,
My GSXR wheel has arrived, :yahoo: however, missing the spacer between the caliper carrier and the wheel. Also the brake arm. No worries as I contacted the seller and he will send them along. Should have them next week.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/craigo987/Picture052.jpg)
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/craigo987/Picture055.jpg)
However, the sprocket is worn out, and I need to replace it. Need a 530 40 Tooth. Any suggestions under $60? Steel or Aluminum??? Is AFAM a good name?
Also, my wheels are white, this one is black and has a better finish than the front. Decisions
, decisions, paint the front black or paint the new one white??? :scratch_one-s_head:
CraigO
90FJ1200
What kind of wheel is it specifically?
Sunstar makes sprockets in the $50 range, but I didn't see a 40 that fits. A 42 is available, though, as is a 38. Sprocket Specialists can make whatever tooth count you want, but it'll be pricy and aluminum.
Quote from: craigo on November 13, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
Decisions, decisions, paint the front black or paint the new one white??? :scratch_one-s_head:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Black, because they won't show chain lube nearly as much.
JMO
Quote from: craigo on November 13, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
"OK Guys... my wheels are white, this one is black and has a better finish than the front.
Decisions, decisions, paint the front black or paint the new one white???"
CraigO
90FJ1200
Easy question. Answer: neither. With your white and silver bike, strip off both white and black paint, and run the natural silver. Far more durable.
You could always polish up the rim sections if you were feeling frisky.
The only way to run colored rims durably, is to have them powder coated and heat cured.
IMHO, Black rims do not complement the white/silver combo, and white rims are a major pia with the grease from your chain. Cheers! Pat
Quote from: craigo on November 13, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
However, the sprocket is worn out, and I need to replace it. Need a 530 40 Tooth. Any suggestions under $60? Steel or Aluminum???
Steel - especially if you are an aggressive rider. More than one FJer has worn the teeth right off of an aluminum sprocket. I always purchase mine directly from http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ (http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/)
Thanks Pat, so take them both off, take them in for powdercoating and make them silver? When I said paint, I meant powdercoat. I would never waste time, energy and $$$ on a rattle can paint job. :negative:
I would make them the same silver that's on the bike, not some brite silver. I like the color... Still a mess to clean up after though.
Cheers back,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Marsh,
So steel it is, thanks for the tip. It's been awhile since I have had to buy a sprocket.
CraigO
90FJ1200
AFAM is a good name. and go with steel, the weight savings of aluminum dont add up against the wear rate.
Also, if you can. make a proper how-to write up
:music:
Quote from: wakdady on November 13, 2010, 03:39:10 PM
AFAM is a good name. and go with steel, the weight savings of aluminum don't add up against the wear rate.
Also, if you can. make a proper how-to write up
:music:
I plan on taking pics and doing a write up as I progress. I will then submit the whole write up with pics at one time, so it is a one print out deal. After looking at the parts, it really looks not that difficult. Just need a couple of washers between the wheel pack to fill in the gap to the swing arm making sure the sprocket is exactly the same distance from the swingarm as it is with the stock wheel. Once I get the parts that are missing, I will go to it. Should be posted within the next month.
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: Travis398 on November 13, 2010, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: craigo on November 13, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
Decisions, decisions, paint the front black or paint the new one white??? :scratch_one-s_head:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Black, because they won't show chain lube nearly as much.
JMO
Listen to the man. My Gixxer has white wheels, and I'd like to meet and punch the man that made that ridiculously-hard-to-keep-clean design decision. Black would be dramatically better.
JMO -but I know of what I speak....
Dan
I found at (of all places) 99cent only stores, a large bottle of this stuff called Pro Power Stainless Steel Cleaner. This stuff kicks a$$ on the rear wheel grease like no ones biz.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/craigo987/Picture.jpg)
Take a look at my white wheel
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/craigo987/Picture001.jpg)
I have a few rides on this without a cleaning. When I do clean it, the grime comes off real easy with minimal work. Use rubber gloves when you use this stuff.
CraigO
90FJ1200
Craigo,
I'll add my vote to the throngs who are saying to NOT go with white.
You'll have a difficult time finding a 40 tooth sprocket for that wheel.
If you go with a 42t steel and an 18t countershaft sprocket, you'll be very close to
the same ratio and the chain will last longer, but you'll need a 112 link chain.
AFAM is a good name in sprockets and they also make an 18t countershaft sprocket. So does JT and Sunstar and Renthal.
Cheers,
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on November 14, 2010, 01:27:04 AM
Craigo,
I'll add my vote to the throngs who are saying to NOT go with white.
<snip>
Cheers,
Arnie
+1, and I'll have to disagree with Pat on the black wheel not complimenting the silver/white color scheme.
I have three sets of YZF wheels, all black, and at first I fully intended to polish or paint them. But the longer they were on the FJ, the more I liked them. I'm considering polishing the edges of a set of them to see if I like that, but I think the black is there to stay.
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/FJ/Picture115.jpg)
FWIW, I did have the stock FJ wheels powdercoated gold for a long time, but I got tired of that,and wanted a change after several years.
(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/FJ/DealsGap06008.jpg)
Randy T
Indy
Quote from: Arnie on November 14, 2010, 01:27:04 AM
Craigo,
I'll add my vote to the throngs who are saying to NOT go with white.
You'll have a difficult time finding a 40 tooth sprocket for that wheel.
If you go with a 42t steel and an 18t countershaft sprocket, you'll be very close to
the same ratio and the chain will last longer, but you'll need a 112 link chain.
AFAM is a good name in sprockets and they also make an 18t countershaft sprocket. So does JT and Sunstar and Renthal.
Cheers,
Arnie
Arnie,
I already sourced the sprocket:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220637181100&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220637181100&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)
I emailed and asked if it was a 530 and they came back w/ a resounding yes.
CraigO
90FJ1200
I don't know what I am going to do about the color of the wheels. There really is not enough money left in the budget after just buying a new front tire, this wheel/brake assy and a new rear tire, not to mention a new sprocket. Throw in a set of EBC brake pads for the GSXR caliper and I am tapped out.
I think I will have a white front and black rear wheel on the bike till one of the tires wears out. Then I can float a powdercoating for both. Who knows what the future holds. I will say that I will not do a rattle can paint job on these wheels.
Thanks All,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Craig, stripping off the black/white paint is a low cost option. Go to Ace Hardware get a can of heavy duty stripper, a wire brush on your cordless drill, some golves and eye protection and a garden hose with a power nozzle and you're in business.
Then, if you don't like what you have (I think you will) as funds accumilate you can always powder coat. In fact you will need to strip off the paint anyway before you powder coat.
The paint stripped off leaves a natural finish of a medium silver pebble finish on the spokes and hubs with the rim bands having a machine finish.
The stripped finish is easy to clean, no worries with solvents. No need to clear coat the finish, leave it raw. Cheers laddie!
Here's a 2005 shot of my '84:
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally19.jpg)
Here's my '92:
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally20.jpg)
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 14, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Craig, stripping off the black/white paint is *the* low cost option. Go to Ace Hardware get a can of heavy duty stripper, a wire brush on your cordless drill, some golves and eye protection and a garden hose with a power nozzle and you're in business.
Then, if you don't like what you have (I think you will) as funds accumilate you can always powder coat. In fact you will need to strip off the paint anyway before you powder coat.
The paint stripped off leaves a natural finish of a medium silver pebble finish on the spokes and hubs with the rim bands having a machine finish.
The stripped finish is easy to clean, no worries with solvents. No need to clear coat the finish, leave it raw. Cheers laddie!
Here's a 2005 shot of my '84:
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally19.jpg)
Here's my '92:
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally20.jpg)
Hey Pat,
Nice bikes you have there. Wow, look at those exhaust pipes, very nice!!! And thanks for the advise, however, (and there always seems be a "however" :dash1:) The rear rim is powdercoated, not painted.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad337/craigo987/Picture004.jpg)
The front rim has alot of paint on it. Also, my tire guy buggered up the paint around the bead on the front rim. So, I think that I am going to strip the rim and go with the black option for now. When more funds become available, I will take both in and get them stripped of all finish. Then have them powdercoated to something a little more colorful. Anything but white!
Thanks Again,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 14, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Here's a 2005 shot of my '84:
(http://www.fjrally.com/picgallery/gallery%2F2005_West_Coast_Rally%2FRally19.jpg)
Pat, You are making me feel like I should be in the garage cleaning my bike.
stop posting these pictures :pardon:
Quote from: Travis398 on November 14, 2010, 12:23:44 PM
Pat, You are making me feel like I should be in the garage cleaning my bike. Stop posting these pictures :pardon:
Sorry 'bout that Travis. It's Sunday, and football's on the tube so you do not have to do anything today....(until halftime) :dance2:
Craigo....go with the black for sure, or the bare alum look. White wheels are terrible to clean. :yes:
I went with the black spoke powder coat and the polished edges for the blingy/shiny look....still looks kinda stockish...
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p21/jvb_ca/86FJ/2007Mods/DSCF0048a.jpg)
I just mounted an 87 FZR 3.5in wheel this summer and have still have this original 89 FJ 3.0in wheel kickin around. Could be a good match for that shiny black gixxer wheel?
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p21/jvb_ca/86FJ/New%20Exhaust/20100702-IMGP3667.jpg)
Cheers...Jake
Hot damn, that's nice Jake. Very nice. Kudos.
There is no way I would ever have anything polished on my bikes wheels. Black all the way!! After having my Blackbird (Jason is now the happy owner and he can keep them clean) they are a BITCH to keep clean & polished (unless you are Father Pat :smile:). Ride for an hour clean wheels for 5 no thank you.
Kim
Damn Jake,
Between you and Pat, you shame us all into taking our FJs apart and detail every piece. Your 86 and Pat's 84 1100 are drop dead gorgeous. Beautiful!!! I may have to change my vote on the best looking year FJs.
Is that snow I see near your garage door???
CraigO
90FJ1200
Thanks guys... :biggrin:
They are actually fairly easy to keep clean. They usually get a seasonal good cleaning and polish with Autosol, and other than that I just wipe them down with a rag. I use a chain lube that is like a wax, so chain fling is minimal.
Craigo, yup thats snow. Was a couple of springs ago. Let me know if you want that front wheel.
Cheers...Jake
Quote from: jvb_ca on November 15, 2010, 06:43:48 AM
Thanks guys... :biggrin:
They are actually fairly easy to keep clean. They usually get a seasonal good cleaning and polish with Autosol, and other than that I just wipe them down with a rag. I use a chain lube that is like a wax, so chain fling is minimal.
Craigo, yup thats snow. Was a couple of springs ago. Let me know if you want that front wheel.
Cheers...Jake
Wow Jake,
That would be nice, thought that you may have been kidding or something. :yes: What would you like for the wheel and would you like my old one in return? And as far as chainlube, I use Maxima Chain Wax. Really does keep the lube on the chain and off the wheel.
Regards,
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: tqmx1 on November 14, 2010, 11:50:30 PM
"There is no way I would ever have anything polished on my bikes wheels.....
they are a BITCH to keep clean & polished (unless you are Father Pat :smile:) Ride for an hour clean wheels for 5 no thank you."
Kim
Kim, all my polished aluminum is really not that hard to keep up. *Really*
I have not had good luck with the different urethane clear coats I've tried. They all advertise that they are UV sun resistant....bullshit...After 2-3 years here in the desert sun they start to turn yellow.
Also, the experts I've talked to, advise against powder coating a clear coat on the rims and lower forks due to rock chips, similar to the picture Craig showed.
Zoop Seal I've found has been the best protection for polished aluminum. I reapply about every 2 years. No biggie. http://www.zoopseal.com/ (http://www.zoopseal.com/)
Of course I live in a dry desert climate (so YMMV) but I still managed to tack on over 12k miles on my '84 so far in 2010...(she's ~138k) Cheers! Pat
Quote from: craigo on November 15, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
Wow Jake,
That would be nice, thought that you may have been kidding or something. :yes: What would you like for the wheel and would you like my old one in return? And as far as chainlube, I use Maxima Chain Wax. Really does keep the lube on the chain and off the wheel.
Regards,
CraigO
90FJ1200
I used to use Maxima Chain Wax, and absolutely loved it... until I did a 500+ mile ride in the rain one day and ruined a perfectly good chain.
Never again.
Randy T
Indy
Randy,
Rain??? What's rain?
:scratch_one-s_head: :mocking:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Quote from: craigo on November 17, 2010, 07:47:00 AM
Randy,
Rain??? What's rain?
:scratch_one-s_head: :mocking:
CraigO
90FJ1200
Yeah, I know MCW is a SoCal fav. I loved it up to that point.
Now I use Mobil1 75w90 at home, and carry a can of PJ1. Both clean off easily with a little WD40. :i_am_so_happy:
Randy T
Indy