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Title: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 20, 2010, 03:53:56 PM
 Sorry i posted this on one of the other sections, so i'm reposting. Does anyone have any pics of fjs like this? I'm getting ready to build my own arm and put a 250 on my 84 fj that i picked up for $300.   
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Pat Conlon on August 20, 2010, 08:05:34 PM
Hello Chad, welcome.

Nope, never seen one one on a FJ. The largest I've seen was a 190/50-17 rear tire. (UK FJ site)

A 250 wheel huh?   On a $300 motorcycle?   Hmmmm. (I was gonna ask why? but I won't)

Ok I'll play....

First off:
No way, no how, will a 250 wide tire and the necessary 7 or 8" wide rim will fit a FJ swing arm.
1) You will need to get a custom swing arm made, then you will find;
2).The sprocket on the wide rim will stick out so far so to allow the chain to clear the side of the 250 tire, meaning the chain line will be waaaay outside the countershaft sprocket on the FJ motor.
A couple of  options;
First: When you get your custom swing arm fabricated you can get a jack shaft included to handle the offset chain or, Second: Get a custom longer output shaft made for the FJ and install a output shaft support plate like the drag racers do. Take look at Sandy Kosman's catalog and you will find these output shaft support plates for Kawasaki and Suzuki drag bikes....alas nothing for the old FJ...   http://www.kosman.net/ (http://www.kosman.net/)

HTH
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 20, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Thank you Pat. And hopefully i'll get some pics of my bike on here soon. ya i knew i was going to haft to run a jack shaft arm, was just was wanting to see if there where any pics out there. oh and believe it or not even though i only paid 300 for my bike it is in great shape. it has V&H supersport pipe, flatslides, filters, coils and 2nd gear was replaced.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: FJmonkey on August 21, 2010, 12:31:51 AM
Something like this?

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=555.msg4154#msg4154 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=555.msg4154#msg4154)
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 08:16:36 AM
ya thats about what im going to do to mine. i mite even sell my 250 and go ahead and go with a 300 since im going to have to build my own jack shaft arm anyway
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
100_0490
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: rktmanfj on August 21, 2010, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Chad on August 21, 2010, 08:16:36 AM
ya thats about what im going to do to mine. i mite even sell my 250 and go ahead and go with a 300 since im going to have to build my own jack shaft arm anyway

What's the widest one they make?

That's what I'd put on there.      :i_am_so_happy:

Randy T
Indy

Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 10:37:20 AM
do you mean wheel size? Oh and i just added 4 pics of my $300 fj to the gallery. couldn't figure out how to add them to this post, not to computer savy. :dash1:
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Marsh White on August 21, 2010, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: rktmanfj on August 21, 2010, 10:31:54 AM

What's the widest one they make?

That's what I'd put on there.      :i_am_so_happy:

Randy T

I agree.   :good2:  In MotoGP they are running, what, 400 or 450 wide rear tires now?  While that kind of advanced racing technology may not have trickled down to us mere mortals yet - at least with a 250 or 300 wide rear we can dream of riding like Rossi as we take those corners!   :rofl:

And maybe you can get rid of that pesky side stand too! 
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
Don't know if i will be doing any of that but i love the low, long, loud & wide. The biggest i've heard of was a 460.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
i'm really wanting to do some motor work and get some respectable power out of it.(over stock) Oh and put a spider pipe on it.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: rktmanfj on August 21, 2010, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: Chad on August 21, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
Don't know if i will be doing any of that but i love the low, long, loud & wide. The biggest i've heard of was a 460.
Quote from: Chad on August 21, 2010, 11:40:22 AM
i'm really wanting to do some motor work and get some respectable power out of it.(over stock) Oh and put a spider pipe on it.

Well ya, if yer gonna do all the work to get that 460 under there, ya gotta do somethin about that wimpy-assd stock motor.        :biggrin:

Randy T
Indy
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Yamifj1200 on August 21, 2010, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: Chad on August 21, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
Don't know if i will be doing any of that but i love the low, long, loud & wide. The biggest i've heard of was a 460.

Remember theres only one letter differance between cool and fool......


Eric M
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 12:06:48 PM
ya and i'll take either one in this case. :biggrin:
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Pat Conlon on August 21, 2010, 01:28:18 PM
Hey Chad, we missed your introduction. Tell us about yourself and your experience with motorcycles. I'm curious. Tell us about your bike collection, your favorites, etc....
TIA   Pat
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 21, 2010, 01:54:15 PM
Ok i've been riding for about 20 yrs. the 1st bike i rode was the fj i just purchased. i rode it when i was 14. then i bought a 1992 GSXR 750 owned it for yrs then sold it and went to riding a busa. then the fj came up for sale and i couldn't pass it up so i bought it. my favorite is still a busa but really just like bikes in general. i'm in to drag racing so power is my addiction. but not really into all out drag bikes, like street/strip bikes. well more later got a wedding to get to.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: UJM on August 21, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Jackshaft would probably be the easiest way to go.

Sounds like it would end up being more of a poser bike than anything, but I can relate to the drag racing part of it all.

Not sure that much rubber would make it launch any harder or quicker though, their is a limit and a balance, to each their own.

Car tires on the rear - I know several people running them on certain motorcycles (GL1800's, STAR cruisers, one on a Triumph Rocket III, etc) and they love them. Sure, there is some trade off in handling but it is not that bad and everyone seems to be more than able to adapt.

30-40,000 miles out of a car tire on a tire is not unheard of.

Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: andyb on August 21, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
There's a reason why drag racers don't use a 240/300 wheel kit. 

If you really want to make a badass bike in that style, I'd consider doing the entire backhalf thing and putting a big car tire under it.  Doesn't matter though, unless you go with forced induction there won't be enough power to really require this much tire, so it'll be slower than when you started out.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 22, 2010, 12:39:25 PM
There may be a reason they don't use them but i after a curtain look. A balance between look and power.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: The PATRIOT on August 22, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
Loud Pipes Save Lives.
Get the pipes good and loud to.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: simi_ed on August 23, 2010, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: The PATRIOT on August 22, 2010, 06:49:04 PM
Loud Pipes Save Lives.

Imagine what learning how to ride could do ...   :lol:
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: Chad on August 24, 2010, 08:40:15 AM
Finally found all the parts and peices that i need for my jack shaft swing arm. Now just have to put the design on paper and then start ordering parts and doing the mock up.
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: andyb on September 08, 2010, 11:42:57 AM
Found an example of it being done.

"Marco from TKT spockets allready had a lot of experience with wide-tyre converions and offset sprockets.
In 2002 he had showed us his FJ1200 project with 240-section tyre at the HOK14 party."

(http://oldskoolsuzuki.info/patrick/shows/hokfeest2002/images/avon240.jpg)
Title: Re: 250 wheel and extended swing arm
Post by: SkyFive on September 08, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
(http://www.jlcauvin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tommyboy.jpg)

Oh my god!