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Title: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 23, 2024, 06:21:07 PM
You boys might want to crack open a cold one for this I know I am right now haha. Well after getting home from work I hopped on the bike to go and get a cover for her. (haven't named her yet so maybe that's why) Well when I got back from Walmart I got off the bike as you normally do, I opened the gate to my drive way and on my way back onto the bike my dumb ass jumped on her too quickly and I dropped her boys.  :Facepalm: In doing so I broke off the bottom bracket for the front brake.

What are my options here? I will post more pictures soon of both of the front master cylinders. The left side seems like it was replaced at some point but not the right. I say this because the left side still has all of the black paint and it says to use dot 4 on the cap, and the right cap is just exposed metal and says dot 3 or 4. Depending on how things play out I would not mind upgrading both just too have more peace in mind.

Again any help is appreciated and feel free to roast me!! This is my first time putting a bike down and it did not happen the way I planned but thank you God that it happened at home where I could be reminded to stay humble. Cheers yall!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 23, 2024, 07:11:24 PM
Also is that the flasher relay attached to the bottom of the bracket?

Not really seeing anything similar to it on partzilla other than,
YAMAHA OEM FLASHER RELAY ASSEMBLY
Part #: 41R-83350-71-00
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: T Legg on December 23, 2024, 07:39:33 PM
Thats your brake light switch.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 23, 2024, 07:52:54 PM
Yeah T legg lol, I was scrolling through the 2 electrical tabs on Partzilla and I did not see a "Brake Light Switch" under those tabs so I was wondering if maybe it was under a different name/part number. I'm looking for Part #'s for replacing it, my bad for the miscommunication,
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Again thanks for the input and any help is appreciated!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 23, 2024, 07:59:19 PM
https://oldbikebarn.com/products/yamaha-84-85-fj600-1100-85-05-vmx1200-front-brake-switch

This is what I've found so far but if anyone else has any other suggestions I'm an empty cup!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: aviationfred on December 24, 2024, 12:34:07 AM
There is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Yamaha still offers new parts that you need.
Here is one website that sells OEM parts. You can also support your local Yamaha dealer and order from them.

Front Brake Master Cylinder,

https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/3HE-2583T-01-00?ref=e55113a66bf05556d81614b9d65885f8fff226b2

Front brake switch

https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/J45-82503-01-00?ref=08df44d7307221ce30cf7de4a0f70ac151d2bc3f

Hope this is helpful.
PS... the above parts listed are for a 1200, but are also the same part number used on the 1100.

Fred
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 24, 2024, 12:52:58 AM
Exactly what I was looking for Fred thank you sir! Completely went over my head to think to check under the 1200 for parts, makes sense now that its pointed out, but again thank you sir and merry christmas yall!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: fj1289 on December 24, 2024, 12:09:09 PM
Johnny (I assume!) - I might have what you need as spare.  I'd suggest a rebuild kit but might work as is.  Let me go rummage thru some boxes

Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 24, 2024, 12:49:38 PM
Johnny, don't buy one, if Chris (fj1289) can't find one, I think I have one in my parts bin I can send you... is your brake lever ok?

PM me your address

Santa
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 24, 2024, 01:00:24 PM
That's me haha! Also after looking over everything again I'm still going too assume that the left was replaced at some point and now I just have another reason too replace the right. Left one even has the updated sight glass like the one on partzilla lol!

 Also anything seriously would help Fj so thanks again in advance, also Pat I will go ahead and PM you those deets. I'm actually surprised at how little damage the lever took! Just a wee baby scratch on the tip haha
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Millietant on December 25, 2024, 04:05:27 AM
Your right side master cylinder isn't the original one either,  it's the wrong shape and the mirror mounting lugs looK wrong too. Does your bike have the strandard brake calipers?
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 25, 2024, 11:41:37 AM
I wanna say that they are the standard ones, but I'm not completely sure.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 25, 2024, 03:04:18 PM
Yep, those are standard oem.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 25, 2024, 09:08:24 PM
Well guys, in image searching the pictures of the master cylinders I posted, too try and find out what the PO had replaced the original ones with this is what I came across.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115708604945

Seems to be a generic Chinese product, probably explains the corrosion, quality of the cast, and lack of P#'s

I may go with this again as a means of getting her on the road again but I would definitely like too sooner than later upgrade the braking system entirely, cylinders, calipers, and at least the front lines are braided already so that's knocked out.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas though and take care!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 25, 2024, 09:48:40 PM
The Master Cylinder you linked was a 14mm piston bore.
The oem FJ master is a 5/8" or 16mm piston bore.
If you are staying with your oem calipers, stay with the 16mm bore.
If you plan to upgrade to the Yamaha blue spot mono-block calipers, get the 14mm master cylinder.

No word from Chris?

Hold off and I will be home tomorrow and check my parts bin. I'm almost positive I have a 5/8" master in there. I'll get it in the mail to you by Friday.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 25, 2024, 10:28:29 PM
I really appreciate it Pat! I would definitely love to bookmark that cylinder then if it is option for those upgrades, I will hold off for now and keep my fingers crossed for now haha.

Thanks for pointing out the bore difference between the link the oem and the link I had posted! It seems they use the same/similar casts with the varying bores, and I had just linked the first one instead of the correct one.

 Also thanks for putting a name to what upgrades I was talking about, I will for sure be taking a dive down that rabbit hole and putting things together!



Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Firehawk068 on December 26, 2024, 12:35:02 PM
Where in CO are you?

I may also have an original 16mm Master Cylinder in a box, in the Garage.
I'm in Denver area (Aurora)

I upgraded to R1 calipers and 14mm Master Cylinder quite some time ago.
I can look when I get home from work today to see if I still have my original.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 26, 2024, 03:10:05 PM
Hey Johnny, I'm home, I checked, I only have clutch masters...no front brake masters.

Sorry amigo!

Pat
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 26, 2024, 06:55:26 PM
I'm located up in Greeley, so just a hop and skip up 85, Alan.

Also no worries Pat, again I really appreciate you going out of your way too try and help brother!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Firehawk068 on December 28, 2024, 02:28:10 PM
Johnny,
I just sent you a PM.

The forum no longer allows adding pictures to posts, and for some reason I'm no longer allowed to upload any to the gallery.
I can email you some pictures if you'd like.

Alan H.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: T Legg on December 28, 2024, 03:07:51 PM
You can still put pictures in but they have to be low resolution. I text my pictures to my second phone then save the texted version of the picture which makes a low resolution copy then you can add that picture.
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: fj1289 on December 28, 2024, 08:06:44 PM
I'm in the same boat as Alan trying to post pics.

I do have an FJ1100 master cylinder - has mount for mirror.  You will want to paint it and use the screws from your master cylinder.   Probably good to rebuild too - but it has been stored as a "sealed" system, so might still be ok? 

PM an email and I'll send pics
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 28, 2024, 10:18:24 PM
https://www.resizepixel.com/reduce-image-in-kb/ is the website I've been using to post pics here.

Chris and Alan I will reach out too both of yall in PMs, until then I hope everyone has a good New Years!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: fj1289 on December 28, 2024, 11:28:16 PM
The master cylinder I have is trash - someone used a drywall screw in one hole and a sheet metal screw in the other.  One hole was salvageable with a tap.  The other is wobbled out too big.   Not sure if an M5 tap will even be large enough.   :dash2:

Some people shouldn't be allowed to look at tools - much less pick them up and ruin things with them!   :ireful: 
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 30, 2024, 12:31:17 AM
No worries, Chris!

I'm going to just go ahead and throw in another Chinese Cheap Part (lol) until I can get everything together for that overhaul. (would love too go radial for the master cylinder honestly) But that'll have to come after I've gotten the wiring back up too par.

In the meantime, thank you everyone for yalls support and readiness to get me back on the road. I definitely feel way more confident about diving into "restoring" her, or at least for now catching back up with this 27 yr old gal haha, knowing now that there is a very strong community behind this bike.

Hope yall have a good new years!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on December 30, 2024, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on December 30, 2024, 12:31:17 AM.....I definitely feel way more confident about diving into "restoring" her, or at least for now catching back up with this 27 yr old gal haha......

She told you she was only 27? LOL
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on January 01, 2025, 01:40:26 PM
Figured I'd post an update here, I discovered a crack in the crankcase cover right where the rear brake lever is. Sure enough you set the bike level and oil starts to seep through, fml lol. I'll probably pull the cover, hit both sides with the dremel and a f ton of degreaser, then close her up with some welds. 
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on January 01, 2025, 01:47:12 PM
Also just for clarity again, this case cover is cast aluminum yes?
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on January 01, 2025, 01:55:14 PM
Yes, cast aluminum. I would worry about heat deformation from welding.
 I would try an inside application of JB Weld first.

Give Robert at RPM a call in the morning, maybe he has one he can send you.

Happy New Year!

Pat
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on January 01, 2025, 02:07:46 PM
Oh yeah I would definitely let it sit in an oven long enough, but if I can get away with the JB I might go that way, just wasnt sure if the oil would break it down over time. I will also be giving Rob a call!

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: fj1289 on January 03, 2025, 06:39:26 PM
Circling back to this - found a couple master cylinders I forgot about today. 

(https://fjowners.com/gallery/12/171-030125183341.jpeg)

Brake one seems good - clutch one seems a bit gummed up.  Both have bosses for the FJ1000 mirrors.  I first thought both brake levers were good - but the brake one looks just a bit tweaked in the picture maybe?

Just let me know if you can use them  :drinks:

Oh - and thanks for the tip on resizepixel - I set pics to 2mb and they load quickly and still have good resolution. 
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Firehawk068 on January 04, 2025, 03:08:28 PM
I was able to save pics in the gallery.........the problem was they were too large, yes.
I resized them first and they loaded fine.

Here's my spare one if you end up needing one.

(https://fjowners.com/gallery/12/192-040125150259-126441249.jpeg)

(https://fjowners.com/gallery/12/192-040125150305-126511263.jpeg)

(https://fjowners.com/gallery/12/192-040125150516.jpeg)
Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: JohnnyTheCraneGuy on January 04, 2025, 06:43:02 PM
Yall are amazing, seriously.

I ended up ordering the one off of ebay I had mentioned, 16mm one this time. It showed up here Thursday so I'm just waiting on a few more things before I go back outside and mess with it.

As for another update on the clutch cover, I called RPM earlier this week. They do have a spare for the outer portion of the housing, which thankfully is the part I would need, as a back up option. I did order the gasket from them so I'm just waiting for that to arrive. In the meantime I ended up pulling the cover off to get a head start on the degreasing. I masked the rubber seal/gasket for the inner portion of the housing with heat resistant tape that was around the area of the crack. Grabbed a can of Citrol, used that, scoured the area with some copper wool, and used a torch (reasonably! lol) and applied some JB Weld.

I'm gonna let it sit for about 2 days and hopefully the gasket will be here in time but I'm not really in a big rush. Again I really appreciate the support yall and look forward to this spring!


Title: Re: Well I F'd Up lol
Post by: Pat Conlon on January 04, 2025, 08:00:01 PM
 :good: I love the JB Weld epoxy  The JB Weld putty is also good stuff.