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General Category => Yamaha FJ1100 / FJ1200 Running Problems => Topic started by: Guido on November 30, 2021, 09:26:55 AM

Title: IC IGNITOR pins explained
Post by: Guido on November 30, 2021, 09:26:55 AM
Hello everybody. I am knew on this forum and hope you can hel me out with a specific question. I am building a custom bike and use a Yamaha FJ1200 engine from 1986. I don't have a wiring harness coming with it. So I made my own one. But off course I need the proper CDI that goes with it or it won't run. So now is where your help is being asked. First some information

information engine:
1wl-000536

Information pick-up
Ignition: pu212-12 503Q with 2 pick ups

With this information I this engine belongs to the first generation (1986) and because of that I purchased the next CDI:

Information IC Ignitor
TID14-50
1TX-10

This ignitor has 4 pins on the left side (2x2) coming from the Ignitor and 5 pins on the right (2 above and 3 below). Going to coil 1&4 and coil 2/3.

Is there anybody who can tell me where each pin is for? Yes I do have studied 4 electric wiring diagrams I found on this forum which seems great and sharp, but they are all different so I can better find out weather or not each pin has a universal function before I damage the IC ignitor.

Your help would be really appreciated.

Thanks from Guido, the Netherlands


Title: Re: IC IGNITOR pins explained
Post by: Pat Conlon on November 30, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
A 1986 1WL  is a USA bike
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13764.0;attach=4123 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13764.0;attach=4123)

I don't have an online version of the 1WL owners manual. The best we have online is the 1WK manual which is also a USA and Canadian FJ1200. They should be similar, except for the KM Speedo.

See if page 105 of the 1WK 1986 owners manual helps you.

http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-fj-owners-manuals/ (http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-fj-owners-manuals/)

Perhaps someone with access to the GFSM can chime in.

If it were me, starting from scratch, I would not even consider the oem ignitor box, too much work.
Instead I would go with the Dyna 2000 aftermarket unit.
https://www.dynaonline.com/dyna-2000-digital-peformance-ignition-for-1984-1996-yamaha-fj-1100-ddk7-1/ (https://www.dynaonline.com/dyna-2000-digital-peformance-ignition-for-1984-1996-yamaha-fj-1100-ddk7-1/)
Here's the minimum wiring you need to get her running.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16278.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16278.0)

You headache will be less with a simpler unit.

Cheers.   Pat

Title: Re: IC IGNITOR pins explained
Post by: Guido on November 30, 2021, 10:15:24 AM
I think I might have to use the german one. That's the only one which doesn't use a pin on the right up side...

left side 4 pins:
grey (from pick-up coil)      X pin not used   
         
orange (from pick-ip coil)      black (ground from PU)   

right side  6 pins:
black = ground      grey = to coil 2/3            no pin      
                        
red/white (+ from fusebox)      orange = to coil 1/4            black/white = to ground      
Title: Re: IC IGNITOR pins explained
Post by: Guido on November 30, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
Hello Pat,

thank you for your thinking and the VIN numbers. So it's not a german as I thought...

If I don't find out I will try other ways as you describe.

Guido

Quote from: Pat Conlon on November 30, 2021, 10:06:16 AM
A 1986 1WL  is a USA bike
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13764.0;attach=4123 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13764.0;attach=4123)

I don't have an online version of the 1WL owners manual. The best we have online is the 1WK manual which is also a USA and Canadian FJ1200. They should be similar, except for the KM Speedo.

See if page 105 of the 1WK 1986 owners manual helps you.

http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-fj-owners-manuals/ (http://mybikemanuals.com/yamaha/yamaha-fj-owners-manuals/)

Perhaps someone with access to the GFSM can chime in.

If it were me, starting from scratch, I would not even consider the oem ignitor box, too much work.
Instead I would go with the Dyna 2000 aftermarket unit.
https://www.dynaonline.com/dyna-2000-digital-peformance-ignition-for-1984-1996-yamaha-fj-1100-ddk7-1/ (https://www.dynaonline.com/dyna-2000-digital-peformance-ignition-for-1984-1996-yamaha-fj-1100-ddk7-1/)
Here's the minimum wiring you need to get her running.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16278.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=16278.0)

You headache will be less with a simpler unit.

Cheers.   Pat


Title: Re: IC IGNITOR pins explained
Post by: Sparky84 on November 30, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: Guido on November 30, 2021, 09:26:55 AM
Hello everybody. I am knew on this forum and hope you can hel me out with a specific question. I am building a custom bike and use a Yamaha FJ1200 engine from 1986. I don't have a wiring harness coming with it. So I made my own one. But off course I need the proper CDI that goes with it or it won't run. So now is where your help is being asked. First some information

information engine:
1wl-000536

Information pick-up
Ignition: pu212-12 503Q with 2 pick ups

With this information I this engine belongs to the first generation (1986) and because of that I purchased the next CDI:

Information IC Ignitor
TID14-50
1TX-10

This ignitor has 4 pins on the left side (2x2) coming from the Ignitor and 5 pins on the right (2 above and 3 below). Going to coil 1&4 and coil 2/3.

Is there anybody who can tell me where each pin is for? Yes I do have studied 4 electric wiring diagrams I found on this forum which seems great and sharp, but they are all different so I can better find out weather or not each pin has a universal function before I damage the IC ignitor.

Your help would be really appreciated.

Thanks from Guido, the Netherlands



G'day and Welcome Guido,

Hope this will assist you...and hopefully it's correct.

Cheers
Alan