Dumb question #99. I am getting new tires so am taking off the wheels to bring them in. To prop up the front, can I use my floor jack under the exhaust pipes without damaging them? Or conversely, how do I support the front to take off the wheel?
Thanks
Dave
Shouldn't be a problem - especially if you use a piece of 2x4 or something to spread the load.
Do you have your center stand? I have used a length of 2x6 - long enough to be under the rear tire but just short of the front tire. A second block of wood under the sender stand (2x4 or 2x6). Then use a tie down or two under the rear of the main 2x6 and over the swing arm (or over the seat) to bring the rear down and raise the front.
That will work. I usually loosen the front brake caliper bolts before I raise the front wheel. This way I'm not tugging/torqueing on something with the front wheel off the ground.
Should I do 1 wheel at a time or am I ok to take both at once. The 2x6 as per fj1289 would not work with the back wheel off. That is, if I'm reading it right....
Quote from: kawonda750 on October 18, 2020, 09:11:52 AMDumb question #99. I am getting new tires so am taking off the wheels to bring them in. To prop up the front, can I use my floor jack under the exhaust pipes without damaging them? Or conversely, how do I support the front to take off the wheel? Thanks
Dave
Dave,
This is what the FJR guys build, certainly enough for an FJ. Make it (DIY) from black iron plumbing pipe, and some fittings. I'd use 1.5" pipe, if I needed one. I'd make the feet a little longer, too. It all pivots flat (just rotate the feet) when not in use; stand it against the wall. Find stock threaded pipes, for the lowest prices.
http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/frontstand.html (http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/frontstand.html)
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Quote from: kawonda750 on October 18, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Should I do 1 wheel at a time or am I ok to take both at once. The 2x6 as per fj1289 would not work with the back wheel off. That is, if I'm reading it right....
I'd put it on the center stand over the 2x6 - - the rear wheel will be higher off the ground than usual. Remove the rear wheel. Run tie down straps under the 2x6 and over the seat or over the swingarm. Tighten down until the front end is off the ground. Remove the front wheel. A jack stand or two, or a milk crate, step stool, etc under the front would be prudent while taking everything to the shop.
Set bike on centerstand loosen wheelbolt and caliperbolts first then put a simple carjack with a piece of 2"x3" under the pipes or put it up between the pipes on the tap in front of the oilplug.Gently jack up the front then you can remove the front wheel.rearwheel is already hanging free .I have done it many times.
You can also easy replace the tires your self using the ziptie method the thing that is a little difficult is to break the bead when taking the old tires off i use a Wise to clamp the tire together.Balancing is also easy go to youtube search balancing and zip tiemethod.
Here's what I did.
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Best option...buy a center lift Pit Bull stand that uses the hole in the lower triple, it'll last 3 life times.
Next best, make a "U" section out of 2X4 scrap wood that engages the frame rails instead of the pipes and jack from that. To be extra careful place a 1/4 inch piece of plywood under the center stand prior to raising the bike. This will give you extra lift clearance when raising the front. Do not raise the front so far as to contact the rear tire.
Here's what I built. Slides under the front frame rails.
Helps to put a piece of 1/2 inch plywood under the centerstand (I have the rear end lifted).
I remove the lower fairing and position the stand. Then, sitting in front of the front wheel, I lift the front wheel off the ground and push the stand in place with my feet.
As Carey suggested, loosen all bolts first.
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I like this better than the device I used to use. The "wings" give it extra stability. :good2:
I do both wheels at once, with the bike on its center stand on top of a 2x6. The 2x6 lets me get the bike off the ground another couple inches (1-1/2") which gives more clearance between the rear wheel and the ground. This way, there's room to lift the front wheel off the ground once the bike is on its center stand, while still leaving clearance between the rear wheel and the ground. (There has to be room to maneuver the wheels out from beneath the fenders, too.) To raise the front wheel, I typically put a shoulder under the nose of the fairing, and then slide a jack stand under each fork leg.
I have also used a ratchet strap to pull the top triple clamp up toward a garage door rail, which lets me check the steering stem bearings. It's probably 40 or 50 lbs required to lift the front wheel off the ground.
I can't remember if the front axle pinch bolt can be removed with the jack stand under that side, or if it's something that has to be removed and reinstalled without the jack stand there.
I use a long handle breaker bar or my torque wrench to loosen and tighten the caliper and axle hardware. With a long handle, there's enough torque to break free the axle or the caliper bolts without putting a lot of force into it and upsetting the bike.
I always have to find the right-size bungee cords to suspend my calipers from the mirror stalks or handlebars.
How everyone gets both wheels off at the same time doesn't matter, jacks, home made stands, bought stands, whatever, as long as it's stable and never rely on a hydraulic jack staying up when loaded.
Maintenance and tyre changing aside, I elevate my front wheel every time I wash the bike which would be 20-30 times a year, and I have a belly pan, so it needs to be quick and easy.
I loose fit my centre stand (no nuts or spring) and use a bottle jack on the lug in front of the drain plug.
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Someone has already mentioned they also do this and warned not to keep raising the front until the back tyre contacts the floor, it will fall over, and to that I'll add that while this is a quick and easy way to do it, the bike is very unstable in this configuration and should be treated with great caution.
Noel
WOW. Thanks for everyone's input. Now I will have to decide which way to go.
Anyway, thank you.
I put it on center stand and add some weight on the top-case carrier to lift the front. Alternatively, you can put weight on the passenger seat. You can put something under the swing-arm to prevent the bike from raising too much with the wheel off.
Quote from: ribbert on October 20, 2020, 08:16:58 AM
How everyone gets both wheels off at the same time doesn't matter, jacks, home made stands, bought stands, whatever, as long as it's stable and never rely on a hydraulic jack staying up when loaded.
Maintenance and tyre changing aside, I elevate my front wheel every time I wash the bike which would be 20-30 times a year, and I have a belly pan, so it needs to be quick and easy.
I loose fit my centre stand (no nuts or spring) and use a bottle jack on the lug in front of the drain plug.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50508692583_23a44d18db_b.jpg)
Someone has already mentioned they also do this and warned not to keep raising the front until the back tyre contacts the floor, it will fall over, and to that I'll add that while this is a quick and easy way to do it, the bike is very unstable in this configuration and should be treated with great caution.
Noel
Two compressers, power washer, chop saw, bike table, welder, decent chair - I'd say you're seriously well equipped. Please explain the toilet paper - did I miss the commode?
The toilet paper may be due to Noel's self proclaimed shitty welds. As an occasional welder myself I understand.
And what workshop isn't complete without a bust of a Roam Emporer?
I want a bike lift.
Quote from: Urban_Legend on October 22, 2020, 12:15:30 AM
I want a bike lift.
If you're handy with a drill and can get a simple bit of welding done I can send you details of a DIY lift table that happily deals with a FJ and is a pretty straightforward job.
Quote from: woodcreekpete on October 21, 2020, 07:03:11 AM
.... Please explain the toilet paper - did I miss the commode?
Haha, think of it as paper towel
Lite. It's handy having small single use absorbent sheets at hand for 1001 reasons. It's not there for any one specific purpose.
Noel
Quote from: Urban_Legend on October 22, 2020, 12:15:08 AM
And what workshop isn't complete without a bust of a Roam Emporer?
That's the Roman God of extended valve clearance checks :biggrin:
Noel
I thought that was a bust of Fred...........he's the Emperor of "Roaming" on the forum this year :sarcastic:
Yup the bike does fall over for sure. Before I had a stand I used a chain hoist in the roof. I parked the stand under the hoist which ended up being prudent so the bike is always connected to the hoist. The lift being a crappy Princess Auto POS will not maintain height for long if pin is not in one of the safety holes, but sometimes I need to go higher, it is not unusual to find bike mostly being supported by the hoist. Lifts are dicey critters at best even getting bikes on and off.
Chiz
I used the floor jack which has a foot long pad and added a 1 x 4 board and everything worked perfectly. :yahoo:
Thanks for the feedback! Glad you found something that worked for you
I have a very nice lift. It's rated at 1500lbs has a drop out for under the back wheel. And a scissor Jack
with adjustable frame spacers. Has front wheel lock/vice. Can add side panels. For ATV's or turn them upside down for tool/parts trays. Wheel's on one end and a dolly for the other end so you can move it around. Of course I paid $900 for it 20 years ago.
Damn it!... Now I have to travel back in time 20 years, with money I did not have, just so I can 1 up your post.... :ireful:
When it's time to change tires I have always parked the bike on a slight incline on the center stand then pulled the rear wheel first. Then after the front wheel is ready to pull I have a buddy lean on the back of the seat to pop the front wheel up after I pull the wheel off I slide the axel back in and rest it on a block until I finish changing the tires. The bike has always felt very stable like that.