Felllow FJ Enthusiasts,
I recently acquired an '86 and posted up a little bit in the introduction section. I purchased the bike locally from Craig's for $600
I'm making some progress on the repairs/rebuild/refurbish of this machine and though a thread here would be more appropriate. I'm not new to refurbishing old Yamaha's with nearly a dozen in my collection, but I am new to the FJ series. As stated in the introduction area, I have two friends that have strongly influenced my need to own one. :good2: AviationFred & Chris from Jacksonville.
To reiterate from the introduction section, the bike had some carb damage from the PO where he had broken off a post and I was able to fix that pretty easily with a shoulder bolt.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NjwDBK8S/FJ1200-Float-Post-Fix-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xctMPT43)
I purchased the complete rebuild kits from RPM and installed every component. Although new to this FJ community, I must compliment RPM as their kits were the most complete and high-quality kits I have EVER purchased for ANY of my bikes.
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKfvmHcZ/FJ1200-Carb-Parts-NEW.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKxrYLSF)
Many times the kits we find available are poorly made garbage (get what ya pay for!) but these kits from RPM were as good as if not better than OEM Mikuni components! Thanks RPM!
The bike was purchased with a bent fork (possibly both) so i purchased a replacement pair from Evil-Bay.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dw1z7D5v/FJ1200-Bent-Fork-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSyhgxtH)
The PO of the Evil-Bay donor forks had painted his lowers white, removed the anti-dive function, and re-assembled them improperly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1z0TcrC9/FJ1200-Bent-Tube-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B86MJHfy)
I only needed the tubes anyway so I mixed & matched until I had a decent set. Since all the Yamaha "protective coating" was yellowed and crappy I decided to give them a polishing.
(https://i.postimg.cc/br5FNCJR/FJ1200-New-Forks-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tnhzBzF1)
I heard that my missing fender was going to be as hard to find as "Rocking horse crap" so I decided to repair the back half I had from the PO. Shortly there after I found a set on Evil-BayUK for a mere $20 and snatched it up..... Should be here in a few days.
Dropping a blob of bondo or fiberglass onto a missing tab area is only going to break off again in a day or two anyway so I needed to add some REBAR...(aka 4d finish nails) into the existing structure.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pL0B9PkH/FJ12-Fender-Step1b.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fV9dpn62)
Using two-part epoxy I glued the nails into holes I drilled for the purpose.
(https://i.postimg.cc/y86PYDmj/FJ12-Fender-Step1a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfwx2P3Q)
Once dry, covered with some fiberglass & resin
(https://i.postimg.cc/8cVd8ckh/FJ12-Fender-Step2a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLC5gRDw)
The finished product:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZRNPDpmb/FJ12-Fender-Step4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJ0bXkqh)
needs a bit of sanding and some spot-putty but works well and is unlikely to break here again!
(https://i.postimg.cc/K8g7L1HX/FJ12-Fender-Step6-Installed.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSnb3wh5)
I've done a bit of other work including rebuilding all the brake calipers, master cylinders, and clutch slave & master.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrRgkw6Q/FJ1200-Clutch-Repair-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TK76Hrxw)
Leaking clutch slave had eaten all the paint off the side cover.
(https://i.postimg.cc/k4gMF5CG/FJ1200-Clutch-Leak-Cover1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVLd7qBP)
Since it's not painting weather here in GA, I just polished this cover (for now). I will probably paint it later....
(https://i.postimg.cc/25w8ZZPg/FJ1200-Clutch-Leak-Cover2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwxW9ncK)
I haven't really done a great job of evaluating the ENTIRE machine before I started playing with it but I did decide to check the airbox before I started it.... THANKFULLY, I DID!
(https://i.postimg.cc/KYQfnDGw/FJ1200-Mouse1-011220.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBQ5zSZ4)
I was able to take it for a very short ride around the block and the machine has a TON of power. Unfortunately, without a current tag yet, I was running a big risk just driving around the block. I'll get a plate this week or next.
Here's the FJ in current form idling nicely next to his younger brother my FZR1000. You can see a bit of my collection in the background.....
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5mH8jjJ/Twins-011220-4-Rear.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lgg1KgQZ)
These guys kinda look like brothers don't they?
(https://i.postimg.cc/0Q1f15kG/Twins-011220-2-RR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3y9pgTDW)
That's pretty much where I am with the bike as of today.... Still tons of work to do....
You'll find there is a fair amount of familiarity between the FJ and FZR. Your Genesis is remarkably clean. I gave up on cleaning the white wheels and powder coated mine charcoal.
Joe
I'm seriously jealous that you have the 82 650 Seca, in silver-grey, sat in your garage too !!! I had just bought a SOHC CB 650 F Honda (model not available in the USA, you got the 4-pipe Nighthawk) when the Yamaha came out and always regretted not waiting a couple of extra months before buying that 650.
Welcome to the mad-house :good2:
Now that you've got both the FJ and the FZR side by side, the real work needs to begin.
Step 1 - remove the complete front end, wheels, brake discs, forks and triple trees, from the FZR and fit them to the FJ.
Step 2 - add risers and handlebars, Blue Spot calipers, FJR Master cylinders for the brake and clutch and stainless braided hose.
Step 3 - remove the rear wheel assembly and disc/sprocket etc from the FZR and fit them to the FJ.
Step 5 - paint both wheels black
Step 4 - go onto EvilBay and find parts to put back on the FZR to return it back to complete.
Job sorted :good2: :good2: :good2: :good2: :good2:
Quote from: Millietant on January 27, 2020, 06:44:18 AM
I'm seriously jealous that you have the 82 650 Seca, in silver-grey, sat in your garage too !!!
Welcome to the mad-house :good2:
Millietant,
Thanks for the complement on the SECA. I had one of these decades ago and when I saw this one I had to get it. This was a one-year-only bike in the USA. :good2: The starter clutch (internal) was junk so I had to tear the motor to bits to get in there and replace it. I performed a complete re-fresh with rings, bearings, etc. The bike is stone stock except for High-quality stainless brake lines and new Pirelli tires.
When a bike is able to be saved/restored I will..... If it's too far gone, the sky is the limit!!!Not too sure about swapping all those parts over to the FJ from the FZR :wacko3:
I understand you were just kidding..... The FZR and FJ were both relatively unmolested without cut up wiring for silly accessories, childish stupid irreversible mods, or any "Rattle Can Spray Bomb Work". So they will both be restored as close as possible to OEM except for bonifide safety upgrades (i.e. Stainless Brake Lines, Better Pads, etc.). The FZR is basically complete and ready to ride at a moment's notice.
But it does need a LITTLE bit more work.Thank you for the welcome to the "Mad House" but I think I actually live there now!!!! :shok:(https://i.postimg.cc/rFfCMmyh/Toys3-061018.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhmmxtWg)
That's what some of my family, friends and neighbors think when I pull all my toys out of the garage (FJ1200 & FZR1000 will be added to the next family photo).
All Yamaha except one Little Honda....
I was only half kidding Kurt, I put a FZR front end, R1 calipers and 17" Yamaha back wheel on my FJ to aid handling/stopping and to enable me to get good modern tyres.
BUT - I have all of the original FJ1200 parts and can swap them back if I ever choose to - when I'm too decrepit to ride it, I might put it back to original for "show"
My thought process was "original is good, but looking original and performing like a newer bike, is better" - to the uninitiated, my FJ looks like it could have come straight from the factory as it is, and still only has Yamaha parts on it :good2:
FJ Owners,
It looks like I'm either lucky as heck or these front fenders aren't that hard to find? :yahoo:
I purchased this on E-Bay UK for £21 ($28), with shipping £19 ($25) the fender cost me $53 and a two-week wait getting it across the pond. Looks really great, although it is the wrong color. I planned on doing some painting anyway so no big deal. The only defect is a small crack on the tail end where the Previous Owner attached an additional extension. The little crack will be an easy repair. The extension looks like it might even have been a Yamaha accessory?
(https://i.postimg.cc/FFkRrm2n/FJ-Fender-Brit-2-013120.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDMMXR8W)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MTNp7rjD/FJ-Fender-Brit-3-Ext-013120.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cg7WZhhg)
Maybe looking overseas for these type of missing parts is a good idea? As long as the front end of the bike doesn't decide it wants to return to driving on the wrong side of the road I think this one will be fine! :sarcastic:
FJ Owners,
I haven't posted much lately but I have been working on the bike. I took a short spin only to find my wheel bearing were total crap. I wish I had checked this before the lap around the block as this was a bit scary. I've rebuilt many bikes but NEVER have I seen anything this bad.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFXDDhg5/FJ-Rear-Wheel-Bearing-1-021620.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bdgyM97v)
I was too anxious to take a "Quick Spin" and luckily avoided getting hurt.
NEW ACQUISITION: '93 Parts Donor.
After hunting for weeks for a chin spoiler, I found this on Craigs up in Tennessee.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdjqVzqJ/DONOR-FJ93-022920-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCcdmNWT)
The bike was involved in a SEVERE crash and the frame is twisted up and the motor is JUNK (case & cylinder damage). I was able to get a nice chin spoiler and a couple other items from this heap.
(https://i.postimg.cc/K82RQV25/DONOR-FJ93-022920-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCwb5w09)
Some parts were removed from the bike before I purchased it including: Front Calipers & Master, Fuel Pump, and a few other bits. The tank is decent with a couple quarter-size dings and it needs a good cleaning but no rust and certainly serviceable with a very little bit of work. The side covers are scratched a bit on the left but no broken tabs and certainly useable. I'll entertain offers on anything anyone might need off this machine, Except for the chin spoiler :sorry:
(https://i.postimg.cc/K82RQV25/DONOR-FJ93-022920-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZCwb5w09)
Sincerely,
KURT
Meant to post this pic at the end.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzC0vwbC/DONOR-FJ93-022920-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lq12vRDf)
:Facepalm:
Classic bearing failure from churning.....
Oh no, not the churning thread again Pat?
Kurt, are the air scoops on the sides intact and undamaged? Is that what you meant by the side covers? I'm looking for the cylinder head air scoops. They would have been located where you had the tie downs attached.
Joe
Quote from: Tuned forks on February 29, 2020, 04:01:11 PM
Kurt, are the air scoops on the sides intact and undamaged? Is that what you meant by the side covers? I'm looking for the cylinder head air scoops. They would have been located where you had the tie downs attached.
Joe
The one from the left was in there but busted up, the right was not with the bike. Sorry, wish I could help out....
But there are a couple of FJ12's at the LOCAL bike junk yard. I'll look the next time I am over there (probably in the next few weeks) The owner is holding a part for my FZR and I have to go get it soon.
I meant the full length body side covers shown in the pic (tank to tail).
Sincerely,
Kurt
If you see a paint code in the under seat area, please pass it along.
Joe
FJ Owners,
I'm picking away at the crash damaged '93 and pulled these ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL carbs off. These can't be stock OEM from '93. These appear to have been professionally rebuilt. I see some of the PO's HandiWork on this machine and it's clear he couldn't have repaired or rebuild these. Aside from the fact they were 1000% cleaner than anything around them in the area, the socket head cap screws on the covers seem to indicate a rebuild by FactoryPro (San Rafael, CA) as I know they do this. Who ever did these they are like new, floats look new, insides are spotless, and there is not a single screwed up jet or screw from the wrong driver being used.
NOW, I don't think I can use them with my gravity fed '86 unless I pull them apart and install the dual feed? These are set for the '93 and it's fuel pump which would have no issue keeping them full as needed whereas the gravity fed '86 needs the two fill ports.
I don't SEE anything else different? I don't really need these and I just installed the complete kits from RPM in my set. I was hoping for a decent set I could replace my broken post body with but it would be a total waste to bust these up unless ya'll tell me there is something special about these that would improve on my OEM '86's?
(https://i.postimg.cc/Tw2mj16X/DONOR93-Carbs-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v1jcbQTP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zBdhxNzH/DONOR93-Carbs-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9R7zfvqc)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hk5QdF2F/DONOR93-Carbs-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZWb9L7XL)
Thoughts?
LMK Kurt if you're gonna sell them.
Joe
Quote from: kboehringer on March 01, 2020, 03:14:43 PM
I'm pickinI don't SEE anything else different? I don't really need these and I just installed the complete kits from RPM in my set. I was hoping for a decent set I could replace my broken post body with but it would be a total waste to bust these up unless ya'll tell me there is something special about these that would improve on my OEM '86's?
Thoughts?
You will also find that the float valve needle and seats are different between the gravity and pump fed carbs. The valve orifice in the pump carbs are
smaller in size, necessary to control the volume and pressure from the pump.
Damn good looking set of carbs.
Regards, Pete.
I've been running a set of pump carbs on my '85 for about 8 years now. I've run it at a pretty good clip on the highway (as we have a lot of those in Texas) almost all the way to an empty tank and never had a fuel delivery/starvation problem.
I didn't change the needle seats and kept the single middle input.
I was even able to add a Colder double dry break fitting on the fuel line for easy hookup/unhook. This keeps stress off of the petcock outlet.
Pat,
I think you will find that bearing had the perfectly measured amount of grease from the factory.
FJ Owners,
Thanks for the input on the carbs. However, I'm gonna let them go to a new home. With my set in good condition having recently been treated to a full rebuild with those stellar RPM kits, I'm in pretty good shape for carbs. Also, sending them down the road will allow me to buy a few of the many items this bike needs to be properly restored. Hopefully, I won't regret it in the future.......
I've been able to do a little work on the chin spoiler as it certainly isn't perfect. The dreaded "PO" of the '93 wasn't particularly handy...... this was his attempt to repair the small cracks in the spoiler:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dzs5TMZ0/FJ1200-Lower-Spoiler-Nails.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t1qFdDFG)
He used some form of epoxy and embedded nails (looks like #8's) into the recess on each side of the spoiler. :Facepalm:
I'm sure there are a hundred different opinions/experience on how to fix these cracks. Obviously, the plastic is old and has been exposed to great heat, time is taking it's toll a bit on any of these. Personally, I've done a fair amount of body work on CARS with plastic/endura bumpers and have found 3M structural bond to be fantastic for this type of repair. It remains flexible (unlike the PO's nails) and is RELATIVELY easy to sand and paint.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3xz9zT3z/FJ1200-Lower-Spoiler-3-M-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qNX8CWhG)
I've obviously removed the nails and applied only enough of the 3M Bond to heal the small crack without immobilizing the entire area. The thing still needs to be able to flex/expand/contract a little or I'm going to PROMOTE additional cracking. I'm hopeful this will be as long lasting as the repairs I did to the bumpers on my TransAm, Z28, and Corvette.
The '93 Donor gives up another couple parts....
Whatever the "Dreaded PO" of my '86 did to destroy the fender, forks, and chin spoiler of the bike he also dented in the #2 & #3 exhaust down tubes. Those on the '93 were perfect. The part numbers matched so they're in place on my '86. I'm not certain I would ever notice any sort of performance issue with these relatively small dents but it won't be an issue now. Besides, it just looked like crap.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg97zFG6/FJ1200-EXHTubes-Dent2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HrprFnnQ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fygYXcL1/FJ1200-EXHTubes-New3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6ytHC2G)
Well.... the bike is making some progress.... as I also continue to pick at the donor
If you don't like the discolored black head pipes on the 93. When you remove them, sand the black paint off, they are stainless steel and will polish up to a mirror finish.
Fred
FJ Friends,
Making a LITTLE progress this weekend.
Got all the mis-colored pieces prepared and primed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GtnVy2P8/FJ-Primer3b-032820.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8zX0b5d)
Found the time to get the Pearl White onto the belly pan.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv8wbBMC/FJ-Belly-White1-032820.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/643YtFkR)
Gotta keep moving it around the lawn so it stayed in the direct sunlight while it dried.
Since it seems the correct decals are like unobtainium (?), I'm gonna try to paint the Stormy Red accent onto the belly pan when I paint the fender tomorrow (weather permitting).
I also received the front wheel bearings in the mail from RPM yesterday :yahoo: and a clutch safety switch from Evil-Bay.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3RxdH80G/IMG-3345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVLnQdcM)
I may delay the bearings until the new tires are here. Keep from pulling front wheel off twice....I don't plan on driving until the brake lines, tires, and front wheel bearings are all replaced..
Hopefully, the bike will be ready to roll at the start of summer. In the meantime, I have plenty of bikes to ride. :good2: I won't drive this one again until I am SURE it is ready!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/rw7YFj5W/Dealership-020220-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhm958Ht)
Quote from: kboehringer on March 28, 2020, 06:14:31 PM
FJ Friends,
Making a LITTLE progress this weekend.
Found the time to get the Pearl White onto the belly pan.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hv8wbBMC/FJ-Belly-White1-032820.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/643YtFkR)
Gotta keep moving it around the lawn so it stayed in the direct sunlight while it dried.
Since it seems the correct decals are like unobtainium (?), I'm gonna try to paint the Stormy Red accent onto the belly pan when I paint the fender tomorrow (weather permitting).
Here is a link for 1986 FJ1200 decals.
https://rddecals.afegraphics.com/index.php?adminshopping=&cat_id=19215&catname=%271986 FJ1200 Red-White%27
Fred
Quote from: aviationfred on March 28, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
Here is a link for 1986 FJ1200 decals.
https://rddecals.afegraphics.com/index.php?adminshopping=&cat_id=19215&catname=%271986 FJ1200 Red-White%27
Fred
THANK YOU FRED!! Currently, I'm on a mandated "Corona Virus Spending Freeze". I can get away with little stuff like front wheel bearings and $10 switches but anything big (like the decal kit) will get me a few nights on a very uncomfortable couch. I will
NOT attempt to paint the story red on the belly pan.
Once the spending freeze is off..... I will order the decals!!
THANKS AGAIN FRED!!
Mounted the freshly painted '93 chin spoiler.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZntFmdcD/FJ-Chin-Mounted3-Best-032920.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8KsJ96k)
The fender pieces really need to set a couple days before I mount them. But the red turned out really great.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rs1GwwZy/FJ-Fender-RED1-032920.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KNKtPqh)
The local OneSource PPG paint store did a great color match of the Stormy Red and Silky White for me. I'm using PPG OMNI paints & high build primers (aka. SHOPLINE). I paint all my bikes myself and I painted everything I could for the FJ1200 this weekend. I will be doing a repaint of the tank sometime soon.
This is the NEXT Mess I have to fix & paint.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hst4Gj7B/IMG-3358.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pppnzWCF)
FJ Owners,
I'm making really good progress on my project. I'm taking care of neglected, worn out, and broken items on this machine and it runs fantastic now.
But there is still work to do....
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCYFLvZk/FJ1200-042020-RF2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PPnLD4Mv)
- New Wheel Bearings
- Completely New Brake Systems including a New Rear Rotor - Rear was Damaged badly
- I replaced the rear master with the Brembo from the '93 donor (after it was rebuilt).
- New Front Tire (Waiting on the rear to arrive)
- I'm going with Pirelli SPORT Demons - I have Pirelli's on all my other bikes and have never been disappointed....
- Complete carb tune with Colortune and Running Sync. Completed.
- Waiting on my recovered custom saddle (using the pan from the Donor '93 I purchased).
- Replaced all the instrument lamps with LEDs - REALLY NICE & BRIGHT!
- Replaced the rear turn signals with those from a SECA 600. Exactly same style just slightly shorter stalks. I thought the originals just stuck out too far and looked odd.
- Checked cleaned, lubed as necessary, and re-torqued all motor mount bolts
- Improved the vibrations a lot but the new front tire made a vast improvement in vibrations, I suspect the new rear tire will really help with this as well. The rear tire is 28 years old and hard as a rock!
I found this bracket under the fairing and I have no idea what it was intended for. I find it hard to believe that Yamaha installed this bracket and then didn't mount anything to it:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vvtjs0k7/FJ1200-Horn-Bracket-Missing-Item.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wq2DX3rr)
What's missing?
Is this the correct horn for my bike? It looks like an XS or XJ horn!
I'd appreciate a photo of this area from a stock '86 if anyone has one available.
Thanks
I believe they were for the fuel evap system.