Peeps, looks like the rain patterns have given us a window for Fj fun and games.
Rick C. is racing this weekend at nearby (me) Infinion raceway, so here's the plan.
I believe Rick's there for both Saturday and Sunday.
Riders could ride in from where ever on the Saturday. Stay Saturday night in Napa, (bike accommodation included), then maybe a quick dash round the vineyards, head to the races (last time it was only $10 entry) for Sunday afternoon.
Probably grab a pizza or subway for Rick and smuggle it into the pits. The food prices on site were a bit salty.
Riders on there way home late Sunday afternoon or if they can score a Monday off, then Monday morning.
Andy
Schedules for Sat & Sun, $10/person at the Gate covers the weekend. (Might not be charged if you just come Sunday.)
Should be great weather. Pizza (anything but vegan) or Subway (Chicken salad on white) sounds perfect! I'll bring extra lawn chairs. I'll be in garage #30.
Now you know folks.
Thanks Rick for the timely response
Come people, it'll be great
How long will you be there on Sat Rick?
Joe
Quote from: Tuned forks on March 12, 2019, 05:04:32 PM
How long will you be there on Sat Rick?
Joe
Staying into the evening for a barbecue, and staying at the Novato Oaks Inn.
I gotta narrow window of opp during Sat afternoon. The bike's been in hibernation. If it will start I'll ride up and visit you. We can tell lies about Jon. BTW, did you know he's the original owner of an '83 GS1100E? Drove him down to Golden Gate Cycles back in the day so he could pick it up. Still owns it.
Joe
Quote from: Tuned forks on March 12, 2019, 05:49:48 PM
I gotta narrow window of opp during Sat afternoon. The bike's been in hibernation. If it will start I'll ride up and visit you. We can tell lies about Jon. BTW, did you know he's the original owner of an '83 GS1100E? Drove him down to Golden Gate Cycles back in the day so he could pick it up. Still owns it.
Joe
I'll be there. I don't know any Jon lies though... :)
There's a Porsche racing biz in the shop area. Do you use them?
Joe
Quote from: Tuned forks on March 12, 2019, 05:57:10 PM
There's a Porsche racing biz in the shop area. Do you use them?
Joe
Nope, I do all the work myself.
Rick, looks like just me and possibly the wife on Sunday. Plan to be there at 10 ish to catch morning practice, lunch and the 3:00 race, leaving 4ish. Can you PM your cell number so we can text etc. I'll pick up some subs and sodas and we'll make a day of it.
Andy
The bike started and ran okay plus the RPM exhaust is on so barring calamity I'll be there Sat afternoon Rick.
Joe
Quick update for ffolks. Today was a mess with brake problems in warmup and qual. I've fixed a couple of things, but won't know for sure if it okay until race at 3. If I'm done for the weekend, I'll let you guys know. Joe, I'm in garage #30 along the front straight. Car #5
Update update. Braking issue resolved. Ready to race tomorrow!
Fj / Porsche content. Good to see you today, Joe!
Fun trip Rick. Thanks to Andy as well for inspiring a combo of FJ and Porsche content.
Rick bei der Arbeit in seinum schnellen Panzer.
Joe
Please post more pics of the 911 i love that car.And good luck at the track
Now we're getting somewhere... qualified 4th
Did you put the new tires on?
Joe
Quote from: Tuned forks on March 17, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Did you put the new tires on?
Joe
Nope, stayed with the first set. And pulled off a personal best today:
Great to see Andy today too. Spent some quality time in the garage talking about the WCR.
YAY!
Joe
Quote from: Old Rider on March 17, 2019, 02:34:55 AM
Please post more pics of the 911 i love that car.And good luck at the track
Here's a few glamour shots from Laguna Seca last year.
Congratulations Rick :good:
Did you break into the 1:40's? When you posted about your early brake woes it reminded me of a story you told me last year at the WCR about the time your brake pedal went to the floor when you were setting up for the first turn after a long 120mph straight.....sweet Jesus....
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 17, 2019, 11:23:41 PM
Congratulations Rick :good:
Did you break into the 1:40's? When you posted about your early brake woes it reminded me of a story you told me last year at the WCR about the time your brake pedal went to the floor when you were setting up for the first turn after a long 120mph straight.....sweet Jesus....
1:49.999 would be absolutely flying for me, I managed a PB 1:52.507. The front runners are there, but they are at least 130lbs lighter and probably 15-20 hp ahead of me. Admittedly, I haven't put the big money into developing the car, and have remained "DIY", which makes any podium appearance very sweet for me. with each motor rebuild I have gained confidence in pushing the tolerances a little further, which should yield improvement on the lap times. I'm also running on a garage floor DIY alignment, which can't possibly match a good full corner balance and alignment on a rack, which I will be doing soon. I think there is significant time on the table for me, and plenty of optimism down the track. In the mean time, I should be getting better as a driver with the car in its current inferior form. The biggest obstacle I face is weight loss. The car is a 1987 Carrera, which is one of the latest models that we race, and is also one of the heaviest. The G50 transmission alone outweighs the daintier 915 transmission by 30lbs or so. Also, my roll cage builder put .12" thick DOM tubing in my car when it should have been the .095" thinner DOM due to the weight minimums of the Spec911 class I race. This translated to about .7 lbs/linear foot of tubing additional weight. I haven't measure how many feet of cage I have throughout the car, but it is significant weight that is up high where I don't want it. I already replaced most of the typical sheet metal with glass (bumpers, hood, tail, windows, etc.) and will likely do the fenders and quarters in the near future.
There is nothing more frightening than a loss of braking at speed. Thank God I was at THill and not at Sonoma or Laguna with that problem. Thunderhill has plenty of grassy runoff all the way around the track, so these problems aren't as devastating as they could be.
Andy was musing about the idea of a mini rally in conjunction with a race weekend one of these days. We can toss that idea around up at Hayfork over that beer somebody owes somebody.
Congratulations ! very nice car i love the 911 how much horsepower is in it ? a guy at work had a 911 with 600 horses
It's a spec car, so no hp mods allowed. I last dyno'd it at 225 to the tires. Next motor rebuild will push a little closer to 240.
Rick, how much does your car weigh? 1900- 2000 lbs?
Speaking of garage floor alignment, you don't need no stinking $$$ rack, save your money, with the right equipment, you can get surprisingly accurate results
(https://www.flyinmiata.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/5/35-70065_paco_hubstand_2019_011419-8616.jpg)
https://www.flyinmiata.com/paco-motorsports-hub-stands-version-5.html (https://www.flyinmiata.com/paco-motorsports-hub-stands-version-5.html)
Be sure to check out the YouTube video on the link.
For corner weighting, Borrow a set of these, and call it a day:
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My car is fat, Pat, mostly because it's a later model, with the heavier tranny and double seam welds, etc. I weighed in at 2450 lbs after the race. Minimum weight for the class is 2310.
I have a friend with a set of scales and stands that I can borrow, so I'll get it set up much better before the next race. Fingers crossed
Yea, those Paco alignment stands look to be the bomb. Never tried them myself. Some of the locals love them. That's the way to do it, get involved in a club, that way you can pass the tools around.
I admire your DIY can do attitude Rick. There may be lighter, more powerful 911's out there but I gotta hand it to you amigo....you are out there....mixing it up in door to door racing....and that is fucking cool :good:
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 23, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
I have a friend with a set of scales and stands that I can borrow, so I'll get it set up much better before the next race. Fingers crossed
I know a guy too...
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 23, 2019, 10:56:58 PM
Yea, those Paco alignment stands look to be the bomb. Never tried them myself. Some of the locals love them. That's the way to do it, get involved in a club, that way you can pass the tools around.
I admire your DIY can do attitude Rick. There may be lighter, more powerful 911's out there but I gotta hand it to you amigo....you are out there....mixing it up in door to door racing....and that is fucking cool :good:
Thanks Pat, I get the most satisfaction out of the DIY part. I've done all the work myself, from complete engine teardown/rebuild to painting the fiberglass parts. Believe me, that third place trophy means something. Like our FJ group, the Spec911 guys (and gals) are a fantastic group of people that really love the sport and the cars.
I'll be racing down at Buttonwillow outside Bakersfield May 18-19, if any of you SoCal guys are out for a ride.
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 23, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
I have a friend with a set of scales and stands that I can borrow, so I'll get it set up much better before the next race. Fingers crossed
I know a guy too...
Ooh... I'm off all week, maybe I'll come see you...
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
I know a guy too...
Ooh... I'm off all week, maybe I'll come see you...
Yeah, I think my guy is supposed to be around next week too
Tell him lunch is on me... :drinks:
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
Tell him lunch is on me... :drinks:
I think setting up a
porche might cost a little more than lunch, but it might be worth the challenge
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
Tell him lunch is on me... :drinks:
I think setting up a porche might cost a little more than lunch, but it might be worth the challenge
Oh, he's gonna do the setup? I was just gonna borrow the bits. Maybe I could show him a thing or two about a real race car setup. :bomb:
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Maybe I could show him a thing or two about a real race car setup. :bomb:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That's some funny shit right there :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
What are you going to bring over, your converted street car or a "real race car"?
I'm pretty sure we already know how to set up "real race cars", the challenge will be setting up a converted street car.
:Facepalm:
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
Tell him lunch is on me... :drinks:
I think setting up a porche might cost a little more than lunch, but it might be worth the challenge
Oh, he's gonna do the setup? I was just gonna borrow the bits. Maybe I could show him a thing or two about a real race car setup. :bomb:
I'll make sure I have the "Whine & Cheese" ready for that "real" race car set-up.
Randy - RPM
We'll see... the proof is in the lap times...
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
We'll see... the proof is in the lap times...
oh Richard... :Facepalm:
Here are a few examples of lap times for you. All the time are very similar with two different cars and three different drivers.
A real, made specifically for the track race car, using a FJ motorcycle engine...what you say now...?
Maybe its time to let a real race car guy instill some knowledge to you on how to set up your "race" car.
Randy - RPM
Ok, ok, ok... I submit! :flag_of_truce:
...at least I don't look like I'm riding around in a clown car... :bomb:
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 02:01:24 PM
Ok, ok, ok... I submit! :flag_of_truce:
...at least I don't look like I'm riding around in a clown car... :bomb:
Clown car...?
First you start knocking the worlds fastest Miata, and now a real race car that is faster and costs a fraction of what you are racing.
Do you have any pics of your street car sideways in the esses...?
Real race cars that do not require a "whale tail" to assist in traction, just real men driving them to the fullest and a little beyond.
Just let me know when you are ready to go faster, I can help. :hi:
Randy - RPM
Here's a pic on two wheels through T10 at Sonoma. Never touched the curb. You know the speed needed for that. T10 is for men.
(https://i.imgur.com/ULTsPvM.jpg)
BTW, does the little red nose have to be FIA rated?
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Rick, for apples to apples, make sure the course layout didn't change since Ryan and Robert posted those times back in 2011.
I'm curious, Randy, what's the power of weight ratio of those T roadsters? 1200/120.. ~10 lbs per hp?
Rick is pushing 10.8 lbs per hp 2450/225
Take the car weight, and the tire size and calculate the weight per inch of tire width.
What the Miata guys have learned, light weight with low power means, big tires and corner speed, corner speed, corner speed....
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 02:25:50 PM
...You know the speed needed for that.
Nope, that just means the set-up is stiff and/or sway bars are way to heavy and lift the tires. Plus, you have all of that upper roof weight of a street car transferring...that would be a great dirt track weight transfer set-up.
You could go faster if all four tire were on the ground.
Randy - RPM
Course layout should be the same. We run many events with the T-Roadsters and Clown cars. They run the same configuration. Our front running cars are into the 1:48's now with the Hoosier tires. They also push 250hp/2350lbs. They're also in the $150k and up range. It really is apples and oranges tho. Two completely differnet types of racing. I believe the track record at Sonoma is held by a 60hp Formula Vee.
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 02:25:50 PM
...You know the speed needed for that.
Nope, that just means the set-up is stiff and/or sway bars are way to heavy and lift the tires. Plus, you have all of that upper roof weight of a street car transferring...that would be a great dirt track weight transfer set-up.
You could go faster if all four tire were on the ground.
Randy - RPM
Point taken.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 24, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
Rick, for apples to apples, make sure the course layout didn't change since Ryan and Robert posted those times back in 2011.
I'm curious, Randy, what's the power of weight ratio of those T roadsters? 1200/120.. ~10 lbs per hp?
Rick is pushing 10.8 lbs per hp 2450/225
Take the car weight, and the tire size and calculate the weight per inch of tire width.
What the Miata guys have learned, light weight with low power means, big tires and corner speed, corner speed, corner speed....
The track hasn't changed other than continue to age.
I would say the power to weight ratio13 is almost identical compared to what Rick is running as everything on the roadster is about half.
The minimum weight of the roadster is 1250 and the advertised horsepower is 106* for the factory sealed engines. I wish I could get to the minimum weight, but I am about 50lbs heavier.
So using the math, it takes 12.26 horsepower per pound. If we guesstimate the horsepower was increased to 120, it is exactly the same at 10.8
We run a 7" grooved contact patch tire. I don't know what Rick has, but I know they are wider than that for the front and significantly wider in the rear. So, Rick has more tire contact patch plus the additional wings and air dams to help keep that car stuck to the track.
My point is, if Rick wants to go faster, I am sure we can help him make that happen...
Randy - RPM
*https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_xjr1300%2006.htm
FYI, the EFI models are all rated at 98hp
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 02:25:50 PM
BTW, does the little red nose have to be FIA rated?
You sure you want to go there...?
That is a question you already know the answer too. :Facepalm:
Hell, that car has a front air dam and wing just like your car :crazy:
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Randy - RPM
well dog gone it...
I just noticed when my web page logged out, it logged back on as Robert...
I hate when he does that, I always log out, but he saves his log in.
Oh well, I sign all of my posts...
I'm going back to my account now.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: RPM - Robert on March 24, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
....I would say the power to weight ratio is almost identical compared to what Rick is running as everything on the roadster is about half.
The minimum weight of the roadster is 1250 and the advertised horsepower is 106* for the factory sealed engines. I wish I could get to the minimum weight, but I am about 50lbs heavier.
So using the math, it takes **12.26 pounds per hp. If we guesstimate the horsepower was increased to 120, it is exactly the same at 10.8
We run a 7" grooved contact patch tire. I don't know what Rick has, but I know they are wider than that for the front and significantly wider in the rear. So, Rick has more tire contact patch.....
**Fixed the Hp to weight ratio in your response ^^
Rick's tires have larger contact patches than your T roadster, a good thing because Rick is carrying twice the load in the corners....but I'll bet a jelly donut*** Rick does not have twice the contact patch you enjoy.
Assuming a 1G corner your 1300 lb roadster with 7" tires would carry approx 46 lbs of lateral load per inch of tire width. (just a simplification, assuming 4 tire equal loading, I know it's much, much more complicated)
I'll bet with Rick's tire widths and his weight, he will be carrying way more lateral loads per inch on his contact patches.
Corner speed, corner speed, corner speed....
*** payable at the fall RPM rally.
OMG, I was only gone for an hour! You're killing me, Randy!
Yes, I want to go faster please... :flag_of_truce:
Should I just load up the trailer and head over to RPM?
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 04:55:07 PM
OMG, I was only gone for an hour! You're killing me, Randy!
Yes, I want to go faster please... :flag_of_truce:
Should I just load up the trailer and head over to RPM?
Sure, as long as you are open minded and not stuck in the rut that you have to do it one way...
It will have to be mid week or later, I have to complete the EFI install on my truck early this week.
Randy - RPM
Of course I'm open minded. Open minded is my middle name. Just ask Marty... :bomb:
Thursday?
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 05:51:46 PM
Of course I'm open minded. Open minded is my middle name. Just ask Marty... :bomb:
Thursday?
I already sent an email :scratch_one-s_head:
Pay attention boy
Randy - RPM
Reply sent...
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
Reply sent...
Did you sent it via
porche mail...?
I have received sent and received two emails from the Netherlands since you made that post.
Randy - RPM
Sent to you at 4:09pm
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
Sent to you at 4:09pm
Yep, sent via Porche mail:RE: set up
Sun 3/24/2019 4:29 PM
From: Richard Cecil
To: randyRandy - RPM
You can see the timestamp on my post above. It was clearly sent to you at 4:09pm.
Quote from: ZOA NOM on March 24, 2019, 06:43:58 PM
You can see the timestamp on my post above. It was clearly sent to you at 4:09pm.
You seem very sensitive today :cray:; it will be okay :empathy2:
I have sent a reply. It is 5:00pm on a Sunday evening. I'm going to leave the shop for home now, but will respond when your emails come through.
Randy - RPM
LOL
Rick,
You see this photographer yet?
https://www.racelinephotography.com (https://www.racelinephotography.com)
Randy - RPM
I remember seeing them at the track, but I couldn't remember the name. Thanks for the link!