Hi all, anyone have experience with after market fuel pumps. Something like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr)
Andrew
Quote from: Tapartacus on October 25, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Hi all, anyone have experience with after market fuel pumps. Something like this one?
Andrew
Father Pat does...
A pump just like that left Jason on the side of the road at the 2015 WCR.
I'm sure he will have more to add.
Randy - RPM
Hi Randy, I see you have a pump on your website. Seems like I would have to modify the fuel lines? Also the reason I need a new one is the old one is leaking. Is that possible? Is there a seal that can be replaced?
Thanks
Andrew
Quote from: Tapartacus on October 25, 2017, 01:30:42 PM
Hi Randy, I see you have a pump on your website. Seems like I would have to modify the fuel lines? Also the reason I need a new one is the old one is leaking. Is that possible? Is there a seal that can be replaced?
Thanks
Andrew
Yes, the aftermarket style fuel pumps require re-plumbing the lines to make them work.
The O.E. pump is not rebuild-able.
It is too early to know at this point, but I am hoping to have the Yamaha fuel pump on the shelf for the best price possible, soon. I am attempting to add them to my Yamaha being shipped sometime in November.
When I get more info, I will post up if I am going to be able to stock them and what the price will be.
Randy - RPM
Thanks for the info Randy. The bike is not insured at the moment anyway. Will wait to see what you come up with.
Andrew
Quote from: Tapartacus on October 25, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Hi all, anyone have experience with after market fuel pumps. Something like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr)
Andrew
My advise: Run away, run away fast.
I learned my lesson....No more China fuel pumps for me, even if they had a "lifetime warranty".
New Yamaha oem fuel pumps are stupid expensive, but the RPM pumps have proved to me to be a good value for a
reliable pump.
Will stay clear for sure. Thanks Pat
Andrew
Quote from: Tapartacus on October 25, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Hi all, anyone have experience with after market fuel pumps. Something like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr)
Andrew
Nothing wrong with after market fuel pumps perse. It is after market companies that supply the manufacturer with these and most other ancillary items in the first place anyway. If you know who made it, it can often be bought direct for a fraction of the price, or suss out a known brand or buy from a known seller. Reputable shops generally only stock parts they know to be good.
I have fitted many low pressure fuel pumps to vehicles for which there is no OEM part and never had a problem.
However, as Pat said, a $25 Chinese pump is probably not going to give you the service life you want but you don't need to spend a fortune either.
IOM
Noel
I think I would rather buy a used 25 year old OEM fuel pump with 100, 000 miles on it than one that "appears" to look OEM made overseas...
I recently bought a new coil for one of my CT70 projects that did not work from day 1 (from China). Later, I found one that looked like trash, was 46 years old with a burnt, bent, crisp spark plug wire that worked perfectly. That thing had no business working...
Quote from: Tor-King on October 26, 2017, 09:15:33 PM
I think I would rather buy a used 25 year old OEM fuel pump with 100, 000 miles on it than one that "appears" to look OEM made overseas...
Great news :good2:
RPM now has the proper, genuine Yamaha fuel pump in stock. The best thing about this news is they are half the price you can buy it anywhere else.
Genuine Yamaha FJ1200 Fuel Pump (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=YamFPump)
Randy - RPM
Quote from: ribbert on October 26, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Quote from: Tapartacus on October 25, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
Hi all, anyone have experience with after market fuel pumps. Something like this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intank-Fuel-Pump-for-Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1994-95-YZF-600-R-Thunder-Cat-1996-2002/321948216531?fits=Make%3AYamaha%7CModel%3AFJ1200&epid=869033543&hash=item4af59becd3:g:J-kAAOSwwE5WbhlI&vxp=mtr)
Andrew
Nothing wrong with after market fuel pumps perse. It is after market companies that supply the manufacturer with these and most other ancillary items in the first place anyway. If you know who made it, it can often be bought direct for a fraction of the price, or suss out a known brand or buy from a known seller. Reputable shops generally only stock parts they know to be good.
I have fitted many low pressure fuel pumps to vehicles for which there is no OEM part and never had a problem.
However, as Pat said, a $25 Chinese pump is probably not going to give you the service life you want but you don't need to spend a fortune either.
IOM
Noel
-- Pretty much like going to Harbor Freight.. You know youre buying junk. But every once in a while you get a good one that lasts quite a while. All depends on if youre a gambling man or not..
To add my $0.02 I've used the cheap, Chinese fuel pumps on quite a few occasions on previous bikes and they've all been pretty good.
Fuel pumps really aren't that complicated so the Chinese seem to be able to copy them OK. I use the ones that are listed for CBR600's and change the wiring connectors to suit.
At around $20 or $30 you can buy half a dozen of them if you are paranoid about them failing.
Quote from: hillsy on April 22, 2018, 06:06:17 PM
....Fuel pumps really aren't that complicated so the Chinese seem to be able to copy them OK......
...and most likely, the expensive brand name ones are made their now.
It's a good point you make there Hillsy, we are going to have to get over our aversion to Chinese manufactured goods. Many old and trusted brands have quietly moved their manufacturing operations to China in recent years. If we were to avoid everything Chinese made altogether, just about everything would grind to a halt.
One that's no doubt close to your heart Hillsy, the iconic Hills Hoist, officially an Australian national treasure, has been made in China for years.
I remember as a young bloke in the 60's there was another country that did a similar thing, became a manufacturing juggernaut of cheap and nasty goods that no self respecting person with an eye for quality would be seen dead with and whose name was synonymous with junk products, it was called Japan.
Quote from: ribbert on April 23, 2018, 04:58:17 AM
If we were to avoid everything Chinese made altogether, just about everything would grind to a halt.
Not wrong there Noel,
the only thing We manufacture lately is Big blocks of home units
for the Chinese
with Chinese materials.
We don't even make our own fuel, I'm just waiting for someone to stop the boats coming in with it and we'll grind to a halt within a month
But hey the government keeps getting backhanders so they don't care! (about us)
Quote from: ribbert on April 23, 2018, 04:58:17 AM
I remember as a young bloke in the 60's there was another country that did a similar thing, became a manufacturing juggernaut of cheap and nasty goods that no self respecting person with an eye for quality would be seen dead with and whose name was synonymous with junk products, it was called Japan.
I don't think they'll become like Japan, do they manufacture any motorbikes?
Cheers Alan
Quote from: Sparky84 on April 23, 2018, 05:56:51 AM
I don't think they'll become like Japan, do they manufacture any motorbikes?
Cheers Alan
Shirley you jest... :sarcastic: (a little Airplane! reference there)
from wikipedia
Manufacturers - China has more than 200 individual companies producing motorcycles nationally. China's leading motorcycle manufacturers include Grand River (Haojue brand), Lifan, Loncin, Zongshen, Motorhead, Jialing, Jianshe, Qianjiang, Haojin, Shineray, Bashan and Jonway.
Joint ventures - Several Chinese motorcycle companies cooperate in joint ventures with foreign motorcycle manufacturers including Loncin (BMW), Zongshen (Piaggio), Qingqi (Suzuki and Peugeot), Jianshe (Yamaha), Lifan (MV Agusta), Qianjiang (owners of Benelli), Jialing (Honda). These joint ventures are different in every case, and range from research, development and production ventures through to distribution, sales and marketing joint ventures.
Chinese manufacturers have also partnered with European design houses to produce unique new models. CFMOTO worked with Austrian designers Kiska to develop their new 150NK motorcycle.
Shineray recently leased Husqvarna's factory in Biandronno, Italy and acquired the rights to produce several of their models under the resurrected SWM brand. Shineray will also use the leases to produce models under their SRM brand, which will be imported to China.
They also had a factory team in the 2017 & 18 Dakar. So eventually their quality will catch up exponentially.
Get ready for the wave. Resistance is futile :flag_of_truce: Hijack over.
Granted, China can make some quality stuff but as the saying goes, you get what you pay for. I bought a cheap if you can call $50.00 cheap, Chinese fuel pump that just gave up the ghost and stopped working not long after, so took a gamble again and bought another one a little bit cheaper that started leaking around the seam. Wasn't going to get bitten a third time so ended up getting a second hand genuine Mitsubishi pump off an XV1100 cruiser for aroung $60.00 that has been trouble free.
It's not like the failure of a cheap fuel pump is the end of the world.
It's easy to bypass it and get you home. Every FJ'er with a fuel pump should know how.
It's just a hassle when it happens to you on a trip. Dismount your luggage, pull the seat and side cover, crimp off the tank fuel line, unplug both and plug in the line connector, then reassemble everything.
It's just a needless hassle.
Life 101: Invest in quality, in the long run, it just makes things easier.
Quote from: PaulG on April 23, 2018, 07:30:47 AM
Manufacturers - China has more than 200 individual companies producing motorcycles nationally. China's leading motorcycle manufacturers include Grand River (Haojue brand), Lifan, Loncin, Zongshen, Motorhead, Jialing, Jianshe, Qianjiang, Haojin, Shineray, Bashan and Jonway.
I would be loving a bike called Motorhead.....but I suspect it wouldn't live up to the name like the band did..... :sarcastic:
There is an alternative that is not a cheapo generic Chinese pump, but I cannot for the life of me remember the brand. I put one on my Magna V65 and it worked flawlessly. I found it combing through the Honda Magna site. Have a look there. I will see if I can find receipt in my ancient collection of a million emails. Keep hope.
https://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.-Gasket/720/12S/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710786054&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-224362771991&CATARGETID=230006180037475535&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKCAjww6XXBRByEiwAM-ZUIFRt_6RLStE563LxQzi3647SPl_0cJZTD81eJgdp6aoqjsWjOFxD8xoCSNMQAvD_BwE (https://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.-Gasket/720/12S/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710786054&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-224362771991&CATARGETID=230006180037475535&cadevice=c&gclid=CjwKCAjww6XXBRByEiwAM-ZUIFRt_6RLStE563LxQzi3647SPl_0cJZTD81eJgdp6aoqjsWjOFxD8xoCSNMQAvD_BwE)
Worked flawlessly for me on a VT700c and a V65 1983 Magna. Takes some engineering and fitting but not too bad a project. Good and bad reviews, but this IS THE INTERNET after all.
Just make sure whatever aftermarket pump you select, it stops the flow of fuel when turned off.
If not, consider installing a solenoid.
Or you can ditch the aftermarket pump all together and get a Genuine Yamaha Fuel Pump (https://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=YamFPump/) Should last another 25+ years and at $220 it comes to a bit less than $10 a year. Money well spent to not have to worry about it.
God I hate it when people make sense .... :wacko3: