The bike only runs in reserve when I switch to run it will begin to run out of fuel. I have continuity between the two wire leads in reserve but infinity in run. I took the switch apart and cleaned it and still no continuity in the run position. What am I missing here?
That makes sense, the switch only needs to change from one state (open) to (closed). My '89 has the opposite problem. The low fuel light never comes on so I can run dry with the switch in ON position. But I don't think the issue is with the switch for either of us. As a clue, the switch only has 2 wires, it is acting like a single pole switch, on or off.
Hmmm ok maybe there's a relay, or some kind of electrical component in the middle of it all. Have to look at a wiring diagram and do some electrical mind squeezing work ugh
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
The bike only runs in reserve when I switch to run it will begin to run out of fuel. I have continuity between the two wire leads in reserve but infinity in run. I took the switch apart and cleaned it and still no continuity in the run position. What am I missing here?
With the switch in the run position, the message to shut off the fuel pump comes from the sender unit in the tank when the fuel gets low, the reserve function overides that. From you description, it sounds like it is the sender unit. If I was trouble shooting this the next thing I would check would be the operation of the tank unit (in situ) and if that checks out, the associated wiring.
Start with the most likely and easily checked items, like has it got enough fuel to actually be on the main tank? and work your way from there.
IMO
Noel
Yes full tank, Ill check the sending unit thanks Noel
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Yes full tank, Ill check the sending unit thanks Noel
Mattman, does your bike still have the OEM ignition module?
Harvy
I'm looking at a 1200B wiring diagram. The red/white wire should have power and the red green should take power to the fuel pump relay, relay assembly, pressure sensor and the ignitor unit when reserve mode is selected overriding the low fuel light. Unplugging the tank sender should let the fuel pump run if the fuel sender is the problem. Is the low fuel light on?
Take all this with a grain of salt I have a 85 which doesn't have a fuel pump and I can't verify what I think is happening on this electric fuel pump bike.
Chris
Hi Harvey,
I dont know if it has the OEM ignition module. I just got the bike put 35 miles on it and realized the carbs are off tune. and now going through everything especially the carbs, Has a Vance and Hines pipe, rotor, carb. springs needles jets ect. I just ordered from Robert at RPM a whole bunch of Yamaha carb jets springs ect. by recommendation of Robert to get back to settings I can work with. Now I wonder if the OEM ignition module has been changed. I assume its behind the fairing somewhere. Ill look for it and see if I can tell.
Quote from: Harvy on February 08, 2017, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Yes full tank, Ill check the sending unit thanks Noel
Mattman, does your bike still have the OEM ignition module?
Harvy
low fuel light is not on. I ride around in reserve with a full tank of fuel and then i switch it to run and it stars running out of gas. I switch it to reserve and runs fine again. No low fuel light. After I get my parts from Robert at RPM and I get the carbs and valve cover back together I will try that check by unplugging the sending unit and see what it does. Thank you for your Ideas this is really cool to have so much help from so many!
Quote from: ct7088 on February 08, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
I'm looking at a 1200B wiring diagram. The red/white wire should have power and the red green should take power to the fuel pump relay, relay assembly, pressure sensor and the ignitor unit when reserve mode is selected overriding the low fuel light. Unplugging the tank sender should let the fuel pump run if the fuel sender is the problem. Is the low fuel light on?
Take all this with a grain of salt I have a 85 which doesn't have a fuel pump and I can't verify what I think is happening on this electric fuel pump bike.
Chris
If the bike is new to you and you've only ridden it 35 miles, which way is switch rocked for reserve, forward or back?
Noel
Up is reserve down is run just like it spells out on the switch plate lol by the way I've had 3 FJ S in the last 20 years lol
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 11:28:52 PM
Up is reserve down is run just like it spells out on the switch plate lol by the way I've had 3 FJ S in the last 20 years lol
Haha, that's fine, just checking. The basics are the most overlooked possibility when chasing a problem, everyone wants to jump in at the deep end.
Noel
Thats true usually its something simple
Quote from: ct7088 on February 08, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
I'm looking at a 1200B wiring diagram. The red/white wire should have power and the red green should take power to the fuel pump relay, relay assembly, pressure sensor and the ignitor unit when reserve mode is selected overriding the low fuel light. Unplugging the tank sender should let the fuel pump run if the fuel sender is the problem. Is the low fuel light on?
Take all this with a grain of salt I have a 85 which doesn't have a fuel pump and I can't verify what I think is happening on this electric fuel pump bike.
Chris
No the red/green wire only goes to the fuel pump relay. The red/black wire always carries power to the other accessories. Check for power at the red/black wire at the fuel pump relay.
Gray wire is coil trigger
Green/red is from low fuel sender
Blue/black is power to the fuel pump
Black is ground
I'm blaming old age.
Chris
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
Hi Harvey,
I dont know if it has the OEM ignition module. I just got the bike put 35 miles on it and realized the carbs are off tune. and now going through everything especially the carbs, Has a Vance and Hines pipe, rotor, carb. springs needles jets ect. I just ordered from Robert at RPM a whole bunch of Yamaha carb jets springs ect. by recommendation of Robert to get back to settings I can work with. Now I wonder if the OEM ignition module has been changed. I assume its behind the fairing somewhere. Ill look for it and see if I can tell.
Quote from: Harvy on February 08, 2017, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: Mattman on February 08, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Yes full tank, Ill check the sending unit thanks Noel
I asked about the ignition module because with my '91 I am using a Dyna 2000 system which eliminates the OEM module. The way mine is wired I have the same symptoms as you are describing..... it will only pump fuel with the fuel reserve switch in the RES position.
I have never bothered to track down the reason for this.
Cheers
Harvy
Mattman, does your bike still have the OEM ignition module?
Harvy
ANd again.....this time where it can be seen..... :yes:
I asked about the ignition module because with my '91 I am using a Dyna 2000 system which eliminates the OEM module. The way mine is wired I have the same symptoms as you are describing..... it will only pump fuel with the fuel reserve switch in the RES position.
I have never bothered to track down the reason for this.
Cheers
Harvy
It's your sending unit, it's not sending power to the relay that ultimately sends power to the fuel pump..
Cool, Now I just wonder how to check the sending unit with an ohmmeter possibly? I wonder who sells new ones?
I hearing people say the sending unit is bad but the fuel gauge still works. ??
Quote from: Mattman on February 10, 2017, 03:48:20 PM
I hearing people say the sending unit is bad but the fuel gauge still works. ??
The fuel gauge sender is a totally separate unit to the low fuel warning light. (reserve function works in conjunction with the warning light) Although these two units are mounted on the same framework, they operate independently.
I was looking under the fairing and found a broken wire, green with a magenta stripe. So I pulled the fairing and found the wire broken from the fuel pump control unit assy. See attached pictures . So i hope that is the problem. In the mean time I scratched the meter cover pulling off the fairing. ugh anyone got one for sale or do you know where I can find one? lol this project keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Quote from: Harvy on February 10, 2017, 02:14:31 AM
ANd again.....this time where it can be seen..... :yes:
I asked about the ignition module because with my '91 I am using a Dyna 2000 system which eliminates the OEM module. The way mine is wired I have the same symptoms as you are describing..... it will only pump fuel with the fuel reserve switch in the RES position.
I have never bothered to track down the reason for this.
Cheers
Harvy
Quote from: Mattman on February 11, 2017, 01:08:40 AM
I was looking under the fairing and found a broken wire, green with a magenta stripe. So I pulled the fairing and found the wire broken from the fuel pump control unit assy. See attached pictures . So i hope that is the problem. In the mean time I scratched the meter cover pulling off the fairing. ugh anyone got one for sale or do you know where I can find one? lol this project keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Quote from: Harvy on February 10, 2017, 02:14:31 AM
ANd again.....this time where it can be seen..... :yes:
I asked about the ignition module because with my '91 I am using a Dyna 2000 system which eliminates the OEM module. The way mine is wired I have the same symptoms as you are describing..... it will only pump fuel with the fuel reserve switch in the RES position.
Just to follow up....Today I attached the green wire with the magenta stripe back into the connector put the fairing back on and took her for a ride and walla! the reserve switch is operable in the run position ! ya
I have never bothered to track down the reason for this.
Cheers
Harvy
Hopefully that will fix the problem, let us know
Quote from: yambutt on February 13, 2017, 07:55:07 PM
Hopefully that will fix the problem, let us know
It did fix the problem!!! Yahoo
Quote from: Mattman on February 13, 2017, 08:08:21 PM
It did fix the problem!!! Yahoo Kookaloo!!!
Fixed it for you....
Kookaloo is unique to the FJ, it even made the urban legend dictionary.
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Long live the FJ...
Hey thats really cool, I didnt know