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Title: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 19, 2016, 11:29:02 AM
Hello, and thanks for any knowledge regarding losing the antidive units. I cannot find the block off plates anywhere.
All best to this great group!
Ben
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 19, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
Hey Ben, as you have noticed, the link for block off plates I had down in the Suspension Files (Demon Speed Racing) no longer works.
I Googled them to see if they were still in business but I could not find them, so I have deleted my outdated File post.

Stand by, let's see if we can find another source.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: FJmonkey on September 19, 2016, 01:37:25 PM
Ben, you don't need the Block Off plates to lose the AD function. Unless you are looking a for a cosmetic approach. Take the AD units off, take the top half off the lower half. Flip the lower half over and reinstall. Save or toss the top half to taste. Or get 89+ forks, they offer some upgrade options like a 17" front wheel and more modern brakes that bolt on.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: FJ1100mjk on September 19, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
Fast From the Past has them for $90...

http://www.fastfromthepast.com/fork-anti-dive-bypass (http://www.fastfromthepast.com/fork-anti-dive-bypass)
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: jscgdunn on September 19, 2016, 03:07:05 PM
Yep...for $90 I think it is better to upgrade to 3CV forks, brakes, 17 inch wheel.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 19, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
Thank you Marty. I have updated the Suspension Files with your information :good2:

Yes, I agree, rather than spending $90 on AD block off plates, put that money towards some '89-93 fork lowers.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 19, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Thank you guys! 89-93 lower fork legs, here I come!
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: FJ_Hooligan on September 20, 2016, 08:38:25 PM
Don't forget, you'll need the front wheel, axle, brake rotors and calipers.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 21, 2016, 11:01:38 AM
Ah, thanks. With all that hardware, is this the best way to improve the front end on my 84? Would I be better off swapping for a more modern alternative?
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 21, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
For the easiest, most cost effective, good performing front end mod: I recommend the 89/93 lowers, RPM valves and springs, fork brace, R-1/R-6 mono block blue or gold spot calipers, ss lines, EBC HH pads, 87/88 FZR 750/1000 front wheel and a modern radial tire, compound of your choice.

I have '92 FZR1000 USD (upside down) cartridge forks on my '84 and they are good forks. This winter I will be converting over to the YZF750 USD's for external adjustability of compression/rebound.

On my last trip up to Oakdale to visit RPM, Randy wanted me to ride his bike equipped with the RPM fork valves so as to compare with my cartridge forks...
I can say that his bike was the smoothest riding FJ I have ever ridden.....ever.
The compliance speed of the IAT valves in responding to (smoothing out) sharp roadway imperfections was much faster than my FZR cartridge forks. A very nice ride.
There are structural advantages the USD forks have that the spindly 41mm RU forks don't have, and will never have, however, smooth riding is not one of them.

I think it's fair to say that the general consensus agrees that the sexy USD forks gets the chicks..... (popcorn)

Yes, you can spend your time and money going to a newer USD fork conversion, but if you want a smooth front end, the RPM valves are hard to beat.
Here is some additional reading on fork swaps for you:  www.fjmods.co.uk (http://www.fjmods.co.uk)

Cheers, hope this helps.....

Pat




Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 21, 2016, 09:27:35 PM
Thanks Pat, Hooligan, and everyone else who replied. I am very happy with the Race tech valves and springs I used on the Gold Wing front end on my sohc Honda, so why the heck not?!
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 21, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
Race Tech cartridge emulator valves are '80's technology.
I've had those and yes, they are better than the oem damper rod forks.

Time marches on...
The IAT valves are 21st century technology.

Ride a FJ with RPM valves and see for yourself.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: krusty on September 21, 2016, 11:58:36 PM
To keep cost under control go for the later forks (with RPM valves if you wish) and calipers. Save money by keeping your original 16" front wheel fitted with (early) Vmax rotors.
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 22, 2016, 10:29:01 PM
Thanks Pat and Kristy

Interesting concerning the improvement in cartridge emulators, Pat. Aside from experientially feeling the difference,  what is the difference between the RPM and Racetech emulators physically?
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 22, 2016, 11:15:05 PM
From the Suspension Files:
RPM fork valves explained http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7486.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7486.0)
Title: Re: 84 lower fork legs exchange with later non antidive analog?
Post by: azure on September 23, 2016, 04:41:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 22, 2016, 11:15:05 PM
From the Suspension Files:
RPM fork valves explained http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7486.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=7486.0)

Thanks Pat, nice review that even I can understand!