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Title: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: a.graham52 on May 14, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
So my gf rocks a 96 Suzuki katana. If the clutch CABLE is adjusted correctly it will hurt her hand in short order. However if I slacken the cable it's a lot easier for her as she now can work the clutch closer to the bar. Downside is there is a mile of free-play in the cable when not in use. Other wise clutch is just fine. What would be the best course of action?
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: Shane4371 on May 14, 2016, 11:28:11 PM
Buy her a fj.lol :sarcastic:
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: a.graham52 on May 14, 2016, 11:35:42 PM
Lol. She just stepped up from a bandit 400 to this. So dropping her on an 11 or 12 maybe not so much. Need to build that confidence
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: CutterBill on May 14, 2016, 11:45:10 PM
Nothing wrong with having a bunch of free play, AS LONG AS the clutch will fully disengage.  If there is no loud CLUNK when she shifts into 1st gear (at a stop), if the clutch isn't dragging and not trying to move the bike... she's good.

Not all bikes are the same.  Some need every bit of throw you can get at the lever, just to disengage the clutch.  Other bikes just don't seem to need that much.  When I had a KLR650, I had the clutch cable set up with a bunch of free play so that it would start to engage at mid-travel.  And the clutch was fully dis-engaged when the lever was at the grip.  It was just the way that bike was designed.

You probably know this, but if the clutch lever is hard for her to pull, make sure the cable is well-lubed.  Actually, with a bike that old, you should just replace the cable with new.  Makes a huge difference in the amount of effort it takes to pull the clutch lever.

Wait... you found a girl that rides a sport bike?  Bastard...    :drinks:
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: Bones on May 15, 2016, 01:56:00 AM
You might be able to put a different lever on it to make it easier for her. If it's got a straight lever on it now, put one with a bend in it to bring it closer to the bar, then you can take all the slack out of the cable. That's why they've now got adjustable levers on master cylinders, adjust to suit.
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: 4everFJ on May 15, 2016, 03:20:28 AM
Put on an adjustable lever.

Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Clutch-Brake-Levers-For-Suzuki-GSXR600-750-1000-1300-KATANA-SV650-GS500-/272159405299?fits=Model%3AGSXR600 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Clutch-Brake-Levers-For-Suzuki-GSXR600-750-1000-1300-KATANA-SV650-GS500-/272159405299?fits=Model%3AGSXR600)
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: PaulG on May 15, 2016, 07:45:29 AM
There are also clutch lever aasists which have an internal linkage which changes the ratio making it easier.

This type is for dirt bikes:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/4223/i/moose-racing-easy-pull-clutch-system (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/4223/i/moose-racing-easy-pull-clutch-system)

This is one for Harleys

http://www.retrocycle.com/CustomChromeSku/26386/EZPull_Power_Clutch_Assist_by_Amp_Research__In_Chrome.html (http://www.retrocycle.com/CustomChromeSku/26386/EZPull_Power_Clutch_Assist_by_Amp_Research__In_Chrome.html)

You might be able to adapt them, or or go to a supplier and see if there is something more specific for older Japanese bikes.
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: Bill_Rockoff on May 15, 2016, 09:15:44 AM
Yes on the adjustable lever, but also - lube the cable, and also the little knobs at the ends that ride in the lever and in the clutch arm.  Makes a HUGE difference. 

Carey sprayed some lube into the clutch cable housing of one of the Ninjas Andrew rode to a spring rally (can't remember if it was the 250 or his 500) and it made a big difference.  Also, lubing the knobs lets them rotate in the lever and clutch arm, which lets the cable itself pull directly on them instead of bending at the very end.  (This is why they break.)

Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: a.graham52 on May 21, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
So I finally dug into it. Cable is definitely a concern. Completely removed the cover and cable aND could barely move the cable. I have it hanging with a funnel full of wd40 tapped to one end.
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: ribbert on May 22, 2016, 05:52:42 AM
Quote from: a.graham52 on May 21, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
So I finally dug into it. Cable is definitely a concern. Completely removed the cover and cable aND could barely move the cable. I have it hanging with a funnel full of wd40 tapped to one end.

Trying to revive cables is rarely successful (depends why it's stiff) and while WD40 might free it up a bit, it has no enduring lubricating qualities. It is a penetrant, not a lubricant.
Even if you restore movement it's never going to be as slick as a new cable and a light throttle makes bike control so much easier.

I gave up mucking around with cables decades ago, if they're stiff, replace them, they are not a big budget item and it makes the bike feel new and lighter.

Noel
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: Pat Conlon on May 22, 2016, 10:08:32 AM
Right on Noel :good:
Cables are a wear item, like tires.
You can clean and lube them, extend their life, but they just flat out wear out.
Once the internal cable gets hairy, it's toast. Once the strands start breaking at the ball ends, it's toast.

Time for a new cable.
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: bigbore2 on May 28, 2016, 06:35:49 PM
That could easily be safety issue, esp when taking off.  0r when trying to jump between traffic. She deserves a new cable and clutch that works well.  And who will be the hero in this scenario in her mind......YOU.
Title: Re: Katana 600 clutch lever options
Post by: a.graham52 on May 28, 2016, 10:04:38 PM
We ordered a new cable. And also the screw actuator as part of the actuator that hold the cable is half broken. I will be extremely curious how it will feel with a new cable. Need to get it back together so I can get it off the dolly and out of my shop... so I can start my front end swap on the fj